bluegreen Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I suppose I am man think nothing on leaving a bruise or mark by grabbing why should I feel sorry he may never become daddy ? Link to post Share on other sites
smile1983 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I have had male customers put their hands on my back and it made me uncomfortable. I cannot even fathom what I would do if someone tried to grab a sexual part of me. I would probably be in hysterics so bad that they'd get their a** chewed out by my boss. I do not think I could date someone who had disrespected me in the past by touching me without permission. Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 While standing outside a bar, a girl once came up and grabbed my arm. We actually dated for a little while. While standing inside a bar, what I believe was a guy once walked by and grabbed my ass. We never dated. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom888 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Men dont get offended when a women grabs them anywhere. I had my ass pinches by women walking by...they wink and i just laugh...not a big deal. Link to post Share on other sites
nescafe1982 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 This has happened to me a few times (I bartended for a while in college): arrested, arrested, throat punched, slapped then arrested, and the coup de grace: charged 50% gratuity on his bill and beaten up by the bouncer. I don't think women who assault men should get a pass, either, but frankly there's a lot more of a culture behind men assaulting/harassing women. It's so pervasive as to be ubiquitous. I'm 30 (not so much a young sweet thing) but still get harassed (including rape threats) walking down the street. Link to post Share on other sites
BeholdtheMan Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I'm 30 (not so much a young sweet thing) but still get harassed (including rape threats) walking down the street....and where might you live? Afghanistan? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
nescafe1982 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 ...and where might you live? Afghanistan? Close. Boston. (Although the bartending days were in Atlanta. They don't call it the dirty South for nothing.) Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Men dont get offended when an attractive women grabs them anywhere. I had my ass pinches by women walking by...they wink and i just laugh...not a big deal. And there's definitely a double standard, but it is what it is. Most men don't seem to care, but most women do care. So what's the problem...? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BeholdtheMan Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Close. Boston. (Although the bartending days were in Atlanta. They don't call it the dirty South for nothing.)You get rape threats as you walk down the street? I'm just having a hard time picturing this Do these guys just yell "I'm gonna rape you!!!" as you walk by? Sounds fu**ing surreal Link to post Share on other sites
nescafe1982 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 You get rape threats as you walk down the street? I'm just having a hard time picturing this Do these guys just yell "I'm gonna rape you!!!" as you walk by? Sounds fu**ing surreal Believe it or not, that has happened twice in the last 3 months. And to be honest, that's a new one. I've never had a man say **** like that to me before. In both cases, it was a group of young men (early 20s or so); 3-4 of them. Starts with cat-calls and leads to threats of rape ("you want this? It don't matter, right?" "we'll take turns," and the most bizarre "you're so raped, rape culture says it's okay.") It was scary, you're absolutely right. Both times this happened in broad daylight in "well-to-do" areas. The first time I turned to fight and they buggered off. The second time I ducked into a business. It's more difficult to be a woman walking in public alone in most American cities than a lot of men know. Some ppl say that being arrested/beaten up for harassing a woman is a severe double standard; honestly, I think those people don't understand how common this kind of **** happens. Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 It's more difficult to be a woman walking in public alone in most American cities than a lot of men know. Some ppl say that being arrested/beaten up for harassing a woman is a severe double standard; honestly, I think those people don't understand how common this kind of **** happens. And I don't understand why people have such personal issues with double standards. Double standards exist because things are different for different people. The worst is when people adamantly support double standards favorable to them but then go on and cry bloody murder when a double standard exists that is unfavorable to them. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
nescafe1982 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Double standards exist because things are different for different people. I like how you put that. Yes, that is the sentiment I was driving at. And indeed, the misleading idea that "we're all equal now" serves to preserve some of the most problematic aspects of our culture. Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I like how you put that. Yes, that is the sentiment I was driving at. And indeed, the misleading idea that "we're all equal now" serves to preserve some of the most problematic aspects of our culture. Well it's driven by an inflated sense of entitlement. People will adamantly fight to keep the protections afforded to them from double standards, but at the same time, fight to eliminate double standards that have otherwise limited them under the guise that double standards are "wrong." And then when you offer, pursuant to their logic, that the double standards that had once protected them should also be eliminated, you get this: , followed by this: . 2 Link to post Share on other sites
BeholdtheMan Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 "you want this? It don't matter, right?" "we'll take turns," and the most bizarre "you're so raped, rape culture says it's okay."Wow didn't know this could happen in a well-to-do neighbourhood. Must've been terrible Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) And there's definitely a double standard, but it is what it is. Most men don't seem to care, but most women do care. So what's the problem...? I dont have a problem with it either.... Ive been around a while.. I suppose its just kinda puzzling how women seem to be getting more "aggressive" both physically and verbally toward men, but then play the "Damsel in Distress" if a guy so much as looks at them the wrong way...So then its "cute flirting" for them when they do it, but its ouutright sexual harassment if its done back to them...And im not talking anything physical here..just saying the wrong thing to a woman in this day and age can land you in a world of trouble... I saw the other day that one of the women I know on FB posted a pic she took at Starbucks of some guys ass while he was waiting on line in front of her. The other women posted all kinds of sexually suggestive comments on the post..I really wouldnt have much of a problem with it if I was the one photographed, but, can you imagine the outrage if you or I snapped a photo of some random hot chicks ass that was standing in front of us?...Then posted it on a public forum so guys can make lewd comments about it? Never happen...And if you got caught doing it, you might get arrested.. Just seems like they want all the marbles some times..(shrug) TFY Edited July 11, 2013 by thefooloftheyear 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I dont have a problem with it either.... Ive been around a while.. I suppose its just kinda puzzling how women seem to be getting more "aggressive" both physically and verbally toward men, but then play the "Damsel in Distress" if a guy so much as looks at them the wrong way...So then its "cute flirting" for them when they do it, but its ouutright sexual harassment if its done back to them...And im not talking anything physical here..just saying the wrong thing to a woman in this day and age can land you in a world of trouble... I saw the other day that one of the women I know on FB posted a pic she took at Starbucks of some guys ass while he was waiting on line in front of her. The other women posted all kinds of sexually suggestive comments on the post..I really wouldnt have much of a problem with it if I was the one photographed, but, can you imagine the outrage if you or I snapped a photo of some random hot chicks ass that was standing in front of us?...Then posted it on a public forum so guys can make lewd comments about it? Never happen...And if you got caught doing it, you might get arrested.. Just seems like they want all the marbles some times..(shrug) TFY Treat people how they want to be treated, not necessarily how you want to be treated? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Treat people how they want to be treated, not necessarily how you want to be treated? Please elaborate...Im not following.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mrlonelyone Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 I dont have a problem with it either.... Ive been around a while.. I suppose its just kinda puzzling how women seem to be getting more "aggressive" both physically and verbally toward men, but then play the "Damsel in Distress" if a guy so much as looks at them the wrong way...So then its "cute flirting" for them when they do it, but its ouutright sexual harassment if its done back to them...And im not talking anything physical here..just saying the wrong thing to a woman in this day and age can land you in a world of trouble... I saw the other day that one of the women I know on FB posted a pic she took at Starbucks of some guys ass while he was waiting on line in front of her. The other women posted all kinds of sexually suggestive comments on the post..I really wouldnt have much of a problem with it if I was the one photographed, but, can you imagine the outrage if you or I snapped a photo of some random hot chicks ass that was standing in front of us?...Then posted it on a public forum so guys can make lewd comments about it? Never happen...And if you got caught doing it, you might get arrested.. Just seems like they want all the marbles some times..(shrug) TFY Which is total BS and any woman who does that, then complains about men harassing them is full of crap. Now unlike most people with a Y chromosome my particular life condtion has allowed me to directly experience both what it's like to have the big bicep getting felt and to have the lewd comments from men walking down a street. Men and women both can be really pervy and insensitive at times. Women can be just as predatory as men when they are turned on enough. Women are not that different from men when it comes to sexual motives. As to women who will be all touchy feely then get offended if you act in kind, I have never ever had a problem when I reciprocated that action. If I read their body language right, and I'm talking about women I've known in some capacity for a while not strangers, I have even initiated that with no problem. I suppose it is very situation dependent. I was thinking more of men that women have known for a while and perhaps felt some attraction for, not total strangers. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Please elaborate...Im not following.. TFY Women don't want to be touched by strange men, attractive or not. So don't do it. Men often really like being touched by a strange (attractive) woman. So what's the problem? Gay men may also like being touched by strange (attractive) men. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mrlonelyone Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Women don't want to be touched by strange men, attractive or not. So don't do it. Men often really like being touched by a strange (attractive) woman. So what's the problem? Gay men may also like being touched by strange (attractive) men. I think that's a generalization. Society views women who would admit to liking being approached in that way unfavorably. Society would also look at a man who does not like that kind of approach from women unfavorably. Plenty of men don't like being touched by strange women, or even women they know. Especially if those women have no intention of following through on it. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) Women don't want to be touched by strange men, attractive or not. So don't do it. Men often really like being touched by a strange (attractive) woman. So what's the problem? Gay men may also like being touched by strange (attractive) men. Youre not a guy so you are making an assumption that they "really like" being touched..I dont get offended and it doesnt bother me much, but quite frankly I cant say that I like it...What do I get out of it, other than a little embarrassment??..In reality what you are saying is that a guy likes it because he feels like he could score with that person..I havent noticed it and I dont work out to attract women, sooo....Heck, even at the annual family reunion all my female cousins use the kiss on the cheek as a ice breaker to feel my arms and make comments...They are my freakin cousins!! Id never dream of touching any of them in any way.. Just admit its a bit of a double standard and lets leave it at that..(shrug) TFY Edited July 11, 2013 by thefooloftheyear 1 Link to post Share on other sites
smile1983 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I would never touch a guy in anyway I did not want him to touch me. I do feel that it is a double standard for women to say it is okay for them but not okay for a guy. However, I do think that women have more to fear because most men cannot be forced to have sex if they do not want it, but women can. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mrlonelyone Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 I would never touch a guy in anyway I did not want him to touch me. I do feel that it is a double standard for women to say it is okay for them but not okay for a guy. However, I do think that women have more to fear because most men cannot be forced to have sex if they do not want it, but women can. False, a woman can ply any man with drugs and alcohol to lower his inhibitions and date rape him. Two or more average women can gang up on one average man, force an erection via oral sex, and ride him against his will. (Then sue for support if they get pregnant) It happens. Link to post Share on other sites
RogerWallace111 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Ladies, have you ever dated an attractive guy after he grabbed your *****? ******** means any part of your body. I don't mean in an unwanted way. I mean a hot guy you kinda want to touch. Not that it actually matters, but everyone's ignoring this key part of the original post for some reason. Thus nothing interesting is gonna come out of the discussion. Of course 95% girls don't want unsolicited suggestive touching... He says he doesn't mean an unwanted grab. Then again of course women have had their "*****" grabbed by a guy when they wanted it and gone on to date him. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Just admit its a bit of a double standard and lets leave it at that..(shrug) TFY Or, just admit that men and women tend to have a very different response and leave it at that. Of course not every man or woman will feel the same, but in general. Link to post Share on other sites
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