Star Gazer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Absolutely, which is why I recommend that she focus on the bottom "negative" of the squat. That is, start in the full down position, legs at 90 degrees, and then go down from there so that the bottom of the normal squat becomes the top of the "butt squat." It does a great job of increasing flexibility as well as strengthening the weakest part of the squat movement. Breaking 90 a dangerous thing for anyone with even a hint of knee trouble. I'm stalking this thread. The only thing I haven't done is glute ham raises. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Breaking 90 a dangerous thing for anyone with even a hint of knee trouble. You mean going below parallel is dangerous? Link to post Share on other sites
will1988 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 You can look but not touch define "looking" 1 Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Breaking 90 a dangerous thing for anyone with even a hint of knee trouble. You mean going below parallel is dangerous? I've had the opposite experience. Ever since I started breaking 90, any previous knee issues went away completely. I have found that knee issues come due to improper body balance through the range of motion of the squat. Ideally, one should be able to do the entire squat with their toes up in the air. However, most people tend to put weight on their toes on the way down. I actually instinctively raise my toes at the top and bottom of each rep now as a reminder to stay on my heels. And the focus on "getting to 90" is another reason for the knee issues when it comes to squats, because of the incredible torque load on your knees trying to get to exactly 90. By bottoming out on every rep, my knees don't have to hold the weight up in the weakest position of the exercise, 90 deg. But different strokes. EDIT: Also, I squat with a very narrow stance, feet pointed straight, and my knees shoot straight out in front of me, not to diagonally to the side. Edited July 25, 2013 by USMCHokie Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I've had the opposite experience. Ever since I started breaking 90, any previous knee issues went away completely. I have found that knee issues come due to improper body balance through the range of motion of the squat. Ideally, one should be able to do the entire squat with their toes up in the air. However, most people tend to put weight on their toes on the way down. I actually instinctively raise my toes at the top and bottom of each rep now as a reminder to stay on my heels. And the focus on "getting to 90" is another reason for the knee issues when it comes to squats, because of the incredible torque load on your knees trying to get to exactly 90. By bottoming out on every rep, my knees don't have to hold the weight up in the weakest position of the exercise, 90 deg. I agree and same here. At the weightlifters gym I mentioned before you have to go below parallel, they don't accept 90 or higher. I do lots of stretching (properly) and hip strength exercise so don't appear to have any knee troubles. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 EDIT: Also, I squat with a very narrow stance, feet pointed straight, and my knees shoot straight out in front of me, not to diagonally to the side. I alternate my stance between wide and narrow sometimes but keep my knees 'strong' ie don't allow them to wobble during squats or deadlifts. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 You mean going below parallel is dangerous? Yes. Ask any orthopedic surgeon. I was specifically told by three different surgeons to never break 90 if I want to have good knees when I'm older. I don't want to be an old person who can't walk without a cane because I did stuff in my younger years that I shouldn't have. Running and skiing are bad enough. I'm not gonna add to that. A 29 year old guy might not have trouble NOW, but in 10 years... Yup. I'm not doing it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I alternate my stance between wide and narrow sometimes but keep my knees 'strong' ie don't allow them to wobble during squats or deadlifts. Ever try them feet together? It's rather challenging, but it will make your regular-width stance squat seem significantly easier with a little practice. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Yes. Ask any orthopedic surgeon. I was specifically told by three different surgeons to never break 90 if I want to have good knees when I'm older. I don't want to be an old person who can't walk without a cane because I did stuff in my younger years that I shouldn't have. Running and skiing are bad enough. I'm not gonna add to that. A 29 year old guy might not have trouble NOW, but in 10 years... Yup. I'm not doing it. Well I ask people who have been doing it all their adult lives, my coach is in his 60s and still doing it .... Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Well I ask people who have been doing it all their adult lives, my coach is in his 60s and still doing it .... People do all sorts of dangerous things, and get lucky. There's no need to break 90. Different strokes. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Ever try them feet together? It's rather challenging, but it will make your regular-width stance squat seem significantly easier with a little practice. Interesting. No I haven't, I'll try it at my normal gym. The weightlifters' one is rather traditional. I would get an Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Interesting. No I haven't, I'll try it at my normal gym. The weightlifters' one is rather traditional. I would get an Try it on an incline leg press. That's where I find it easiest to vary up stance, including close together, and avoid the weird looks. Link to post Share on other sites
Imported Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 You'll also need butt massages. Everyday or its pointless. It'll free up the circulation and allow for unabated growing of the butt. Whatever you do.....don't inject cement glue into your butt. Cement-and-Glue Butt Injection ?Doctor? Has Unbelievable Curves Link to post Share on other sites
pink_sugar Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 ...without gaining weight? I am trying to do it in the gym, just from weights/resistance training. Any particular exercises that will help? The butt blaster machine. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 People do all sorts of dangerous things, and get lucky. There's no need to break 90. Different strokes. Not luck, people with practical/working knowledge tend to know better than those that are merely versed in theory. I can't tell you the nonsense physios come up with sometimes, partly because they are conservative. Your knees are strongest when they are fully bent and you put far less pressure on them that way, you also engage your glutes and hamstrings better with ass to grass. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Try it on an incline leg press. That's where I find it easiest to vary up stance, including close together, and avoid the weird looks. I don't care about weird looks :laugh: If you want to do squats, do squats. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 However, I can say with certainty that the most brutal thing that I've ever tried for glutes is pushing a Prowler sled or a truck. If it comes to pass that ES takes up pushing a truck in her quest for a bigger butt, I demand photographic documentation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
tman666 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 If it comes to pass that ES takes up pushing a truck in her quest for a bigger butt, I demand photographic documentation. Haha, I second this! If one is new to pushing vehicles, I'd recommend starting with something a little bit lighter. Maybe a Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Haha, I second this! If one is new to pushing vehicles, I'd recommend starting with something a little bit lighter. Maybe a Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla. Can't start with a truck? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
tman666 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Can't start with a truck? Well, YOU go ahead and start by pushing an 18 wheeler, but as for the rest of us mortals... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Well, YOU go ahead and start by pushing an 18 wheeler, but as for the rest of us mortals... Bah, I'll even put the handbrake on 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Haha, I second this! If one is new to pushing vehicles, I'd recommend starting with something a little bit lighter. Maybe a Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla. Or my bike? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Now I know why I have a hard and defined ass.... I push junk around here all day long... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Not luck, people with practical/working knowledge tend to know better than those that are merely versed in theory. I can't tell you the nonsense physios come up with sometimes, partly because they are conservative. Your knees are strongest when they are fully bent and you put far less pressure on them that way, you also engage your glutes and hamstrings better with ass to grass. You're assuming my doctors aren't athletes themselves. They are. One is the team doctor for the 49ers as well. :shrug: Link to post Share on other sites
sillyanswer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How big is your butt to start with? (I'm bad with numbers... so just post a photo.) Link to post Share on other sites
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