Southern Cal Dude Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I don't think the idea that most single women have FWB's is all that true I am a single woman without a FWB and do not want one. I can't think of a single woman I know right now who has one. The only woman I know right now who has a FWB actually isn't single, she's engaged but her fiance lets her have a FWB... I don't get it at all =/ It is true. Not all, but most. LS is not representative of real life relationships. Link to post Share on other sites
Southern Cal Dude Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I aint gonna argue youre pretty delusional. None of the FWB situations Ive observed were one single guy having many FWB's...Ive known far more men to have FWB's than women...because you know sex is no big deal to men: its sticking your ding dong in a moist hole that's it Yeah women are more susceptible to showing signs of STDs. Who are they getting them from though? Chimpanzees? Aliens? Jesus? Only thing that's delusional is denying the obvious. Women are getting the STDs from man whores. Link to post Share on other sites
Phoe Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 It is true. Not all, but most. LS is not representative of real life relationships. Who said anything about LS? When I said I can't think of any single female I know who has a FWB I was talking about real life people, not some imaginary circle of friends that only exists on LS Link to post Share on other sites
miss_jaclynrae Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 If it is a FWB situation, you would think the number of men and women would be equal... But excuse that logic. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 If it is a FWB situation, you would think the number of men and women would be equal... But excuse that logic. Some guys have more than one, some girls have more than one. Problem is a lot of guys really believe in this top 20% sh*t 3 Link to post Share on other sites
BradJacobs Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 LOL at the men who think a woman cant be tricked into a FWB...happens all the time. F*** a girl on a daily basis, make it seem like you like her/give her enough breadcrumbs for her to keep seeing you, don't say youre seeing others, interested in others, look for other girls on the side...FWB right there. It is planned out internally. This != a fwb. This = using a girl for sex. Both partners knowing and agreeing to using one another for sex = fwb. Is the concept that hard to follow? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
miss_jaclynrae Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 This != a fwb. This = using a girl for sex. Both partners knowing and agreeing to using one another for sex = fwb. Is the concept that hard to follow? Seriously... *shakes head* Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I know quite a number of girls. Of the 10 I know on a personal level, 8 of them have a guy or guy(s) they are currently screwing and the other two have boyfriends. Still, I don't really care about who's screwing who, all I care about is mastery. Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 My 22 year old female cousin says her college only has guys who do this and none of them want relationships. All 4 of her roommates her age have never had boyfriends but multitudes of FWB situations and none of them can get a boyfriend I highly doubt this. There are many men that want relationships with women but I doubt her and her friends are giving them the time of day. I believe a girl can easily get a boyfriend but it may not be with a guy she's attracted to. As in a "top percentile" guy. Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Problem is a lot of guys really believe in this top 20% sh*t I don't believe there's a quantifiable number of men who are at the "top" as I've said before but I do believe that a minority of men can attract and have sex with a large number of women. Link to post Share on other sites
Phoe Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I highly doubt this. There are many men that want relationships with women but I doubt her and her friends are giving them the time of day. I believe a girl can easily get a boyfriend but it may not be with a guy she's attracted to. As in a "top percentile" guy. All through college I wanted a boyfriend. It was silly to feel like all I wanted and needed was a boyfriend, but I felt that way. But I could not get one. Every guy I dated ended up saying things like "oh, you're great, but I don't want a girlfriend I just wanna go out and enjoy the college life blah blah" - so yes. Guys really do sometimes get into the "I do not want a relationship" mode in college. And yes, it's very possible that they just weren't interested in me personally and if I was the right girl they would've wanted a relationship. But who knows. And no, I wasn't passing up guys I didn't think were desirable or weren't in a top percentile. There are just times in peoples lives where other things are on the agenda. Link to post Share on other sites
Phoe Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Let me help you out, since apparently you never got the memo: Any personal experience or anecdotal experience shared by any woman on this board is false unless it supports the "knowledge" of all these sage fellows. Like, "most" women have FWB's. You think you know differently? You're lying or in denial. And, of course, you actually have a FWB. I will continue to blissfully ignore the memo!! haha maybe one day reasonability will get through. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I don't believe there's a quantifiable number of men who are at the "top" as I've said before but I do believe that a minority of men can attract and have sex with a large number of women. And I believe its a convenient excuse to promote a biased view of dating landscape. I honestly think its perpetuated to the point that its a socially engineered prophecy being fulfilled in certain circles and people in and on the fringes preach it as gospel. Forgoing the many guys who comfortably get laid despite lacking the qualities to be in the mythical top 20%. Its not a theory cosign at all, not because I think these guys can't get a lot of women, but to claim so many men miss out is bogus because I know a lot of guys and none of them miss out - no matter who they are or what they look like. Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 All through college I wanted a boyfriend. It was silly to feel like all I wanted and needed was a boyfriend, but I felt that way. But I could not get one. Every guy I dated ended up saying things like "oh, you're great, but I don't want a girlfriend I just wanna go out and enjoy the college life blah blah" - so yes. Guys really do sometimes get into the "I do not want a relationship" mode in college. And yes, it's very possible that they just weren't interested in me personally and if I was the right girl they would've wanted a relationship. But who knows. And no, I wasn't passing up guys I didn't think were desirable or weren't in a top percentile. There are just times in peoples lives where other things are on the agenda. Phoe, I've seen quite a bit of your posts on here. You should know that you're not the typical "boycrazy" girl. I know a lot of guys who are in the "pump and dump" mode in college and I know a lot of guys who aren't. The guys in the latter category who aren't into that try to fashion themselves into the "pump and dump" guys even though they don't want to be just so they can get some action. To a lot of guys I know, unfulfilling action is better than no action. I made a topic on this the other day. A lot of girls I know say "why can't I find a boyfriend who's a nice guy". It's like looking up in the sky and wondering why the flowers haven't grown on the ground. A lot of girls have a tendency to overlook guys. You may not but a lot do. I'm in college right now, I've seen this quite a bit over the past two years. I'm pretty sure I'll see more of it my last two years. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 That whole "top 20%" myth is a boon to any guy who ignores it. While the rest of the Internet guys are sitting around moaning about how they're in the "bottom 80%" and no girls will give them the time of day, the guy who's not buying into it at all is sowing his wild oats happily. Yep. For all anyone knows, I could be top 20 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Phoe Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Phoe, I've seen quite a bit of your posts on here. You should know that you're not the typical "boycrazy" girl. I know a lot of guys who are in the "pump and dump" mode in college and I know a lot of guys who aren't. The guys in the latter category who aren't into that try to fashion themselves into the "pump and dump" guys even though they don't want to be just so they can get some action. To a lot of guys I know, unfulfilling action is better than no action. I made a topic on this the other day. Yeah, I'd be stunned if someone ever considered me "boycrazy" haha. I guess I either never met the guys who weren't in "pump and dump" mode, or didn't know I knew them because they were pretending to be in that mode. Since I pay no attention to guys who behave that way I never would've found out =/ I think those guys just need to be themselves... no fakery. Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 And I believe its a convenient excuse to promote a biased view of dating landscape. I honestly think its perpetuated to the point that its a socially engineered prophecy being fulfilled in certain circles and people in and on the fringes preach it as gospel. Forgoing the many guys who comfortably get laid despite lacking the qualities to be in the mythical top 20%. Its not a theory cosign at all, not because I think these guys can't get a lot of women, but to claim so many men miss out is bogus because I know a lot of guys and none of them miss out - no matter who they are or what they look like. Well, it seems like a valid theory because it always seems like out of every male social circle, there is one guy who gets laid an astronomical amount while a majority of guys in the group find a lucky acorn now and then or have a girlfriend and then you have a few guys who never get laid. My social circle(s) are certainly like this. I know quite a few "Don Juans" and "Casanovas" and then I know a few regular guys who experience frequent dry spells and then I know guys who don't get laid at all. Apparently, my experiences aren't abnormal because dozens of guys on here and dozens of guys I know at home and in college report similar occurrences. So when you come up with this Pareto theory in relation to dating, it doesn't seem too farfetched. It's not perfect but I believe it explains quite a bit of the things that I and other guys have experienced. Of course, if your social circle is made entirely of "Don Juans" and "Casanovas", then this phenomenon will be invisible to you. It will seem like ludicrous because you all get laid at the same amount more or less. Anyone who doesn't get laid or doesn't get girlfriends will seem like they are an outlier. Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 That whole "top 20%" myth is a boon to any guy who ignores it. While the rest of the Internet guys are sitting around moaning about how they're in the "bottom 80%" and no girls will give them the time of day, the guy who's not buying into it at all is sowing his wild oats happily. There are tons of guys who have no idea this theory exists and they aren't getting laid. Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Forgoing the many guys who comfortably get laid despite lacking the qualities to be in the mythical top 20%. How do you reconcile those women who desire the top 20% but can only get the other "many guys"...? Should the "many guys" be ok with being settled for...? Link to post Share on other sites
miss_jaclynrae Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I know quite a number of girls. Of the 10 I know on a personal level, 8 of them have a guy or guy(s) they are currently screwing and the other two have boyfriends. Still, I don't really care about who's screwing who, all I care about is mastery. If only you knew what I picture whenever I see you say that. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 How do you reconcile those women who desire the top 20% but can only get the other "many guys"...? Should the "many guys" be ok with being settled for...? Well, like I have intimated, I don't really believe in a "top 20". Its merely convenience. But either way, I think the women's desire for such men is a highly exaggerated phenomenon by men who don't feel like they measure up to these particular men. And also how many of them do desire such men - there are a significant number but not as much as being touted. Guys make it sound like these are the only guys on the planet who are remotely sexually attractive and I think that's retarded . When I say "the many guys" I mean guys who manage to get girls not because they're more available than the mythical top 20% (another convenient fallback :laugh), but because (shock) girls actually like them!! Or maybe pompeii is right and I inhabit a social network exclusively made up of don juans and I am next 2 Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 But either way, I think the women's desire for such men is a highly exaggerated phenomenon by men who don't feel like they measure up to these particular men. And also how many of them do desire such men - there are a significant number but not as much as being touted. Guys make it sound like these are the only guys on the planet who are remotely sexually attractive and I think that's retarded . When I say "the many guys" I mean guys who manage to get girls not because they're more available than the mythical top 20% (another convenient fallback :laugh), but because (shock) girls actually like them!! If you have seen that documentary on the Science of Sex Appeal, you may have seen that simulation with 10 men and 10 women, where each was relatively "rated" and instructed to pair up without knowing the rating of the others. It was found that similarly rated individuals paired up across the entire range of attractiveness, i.e., the 9-10 men paired up with the 9-10 women, the 4-5 men paired up with the 4-5 women, etc. Now in that simulation, each person was aware of the others' selections and each was limited to only one partner. Now let's alter that simulation just a little bit. Instead of 10 men and 10 women in a room, you have 10 men and 1 woman, and the woman picks her partner. After she chooses, she leaves the room and another woman comes in to choose. All 10 men will remain in the room throughout the simulation. One other modification is that the men are not limited to one partner. What result would you expect? Or maybe pompeii is right and I inhabit a social network exclusively made up of don juans and I am next This is impossible. You haven't attained mastery. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 If you have seen that documentary on the Science of Sex Appeal, you may have seen that simulation with 10 men and 10 women, where each was relatively "rated" and instructed to pair up without knowing the rating of the others. It was found that similarly rated individuals paired up across the entire range of attractiveness, i.e., the 9-10 men paired up with the 9-10 women, the 4-5 men paired up with the 4-5 women, etc. Now in that simulation, each person was aware of the others' selections and each was limited to only one partner. Now let's alter that simulation just a little bit. Instead of 10 men and 10 women in a room, you have 10 men and 1 woman, and the woman picks her partner. After she chooses, she leaves the room and another woman comes in to choose. All 10 men will remain in the room throughout the simulation. One other modification is that the men are not limited to one partner. What result would you expect? I expect the most aesthetically pleasing male to be chosen more often than not, in a simulation predicated on physical attractiveness. This is still a controlled environment to an extent. It does not convince me. This is impossible. You haven't attained mastery. Please. I was born a master 1 Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I expect the women to choose the man they find most attractive, and that might well be the same man for several women. What if it was 10 women and 1 man picking? Don't you think the "hottest" woman would be chosen the most? Without a sliver of a doubt. The top 20% works both ways for men and women. The difference comes with how many partners a man is willing to keep at once versus a woman. Let's alter the simulation one more time. We still have the 10 men with 1 woman rotating through. But this time, the men are free to go once they are satisfied with their partner(s). Again, they may have as many as they'd like. Now, for round 2, we will have 10 women with 1 man rotating through. The women are free to leave once they are satisfied with their partner(s), and they may have as many as they'd like. I postulate that the women will be more likely to leave immediately after being selected by one man, thereby narrowing the pool of women in the room as each man comes through the room; whereas the men will likely stay in the room even after being selected by multiple women, thus continuing to be available to other women for selection. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I expect the most aesthetically pleasing male to be chosen more often than not, in a simulation predicated on physical attractiveness. This is still a controlled environment to an extent. It does not convince me. I will never convince you and you will never convince me. I think we have a wonderful working relationship going here. Please. I was born a master Link to post Share on other sites
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