Pompeii Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 No guy said that ever. For one thing, you are misusing the word "aesthetic" and your top 20% of friends probably don't. We women spread our legs instantly when we encounter a fellow who can use words of more than 2 syllables correctly. I've already explained this more than once. Also, the word "aesthetic" is vernacular amongst younger guys who work out. I didn't even know it was used in that way until one of my friends said it that way. Intellectual ability or lack thereof does not determine sexual attraction. Hm. Quite. I suppose an explanation is in order. From an outside perspective, it may appear to be that I am misusing that word. However, those who are familiar with bodybuilding and the jargon surrounding the lifestyle/community would know where I am coming from. Theoretically speaking, the state of being "aesthetic" and being "aesthetically pleasing" occupy two different universes but they can often overlap. The notion of being aesthetic is based around Greco-Roman depictions of the ideal man. Classic (Arnold's day) bodybuilders often reached back to the era of classical antiquity and Renaissance depictions to find inspiration for the ideal male figure. Discobolus of Myron and David by Michelangelo, respectively. These figures are seen as an effortless display of masculinity by many and an ideal for the male figure. Mesomorphic, powerful yet graceful, intelligent and aware. The ideal man is encompassed within these figures and these features. Being "aesthetic" is simply having a lean yet defined body structure when applied to the body, and defined facial features when applied to the face. Using "aesthetic" in this context is becoming quite mainstream, mainly due in part to Zyzz and his "aesthetics crew". For example, someone may say that Michael Cera is "aesthetically pleasing" subjectively but however, he is in no way "aesthetic". Being "aesthetic" is not subjective, you either are or you are not. You cannot be aesthetic while being 250 lbs at 30% body fat. You can be aesthetically pleasing however (to someone, maybe). Whereas, if you look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, not only are you aesthetic but you are also almost-universally aesthetically pleasing. When someone has strong facial aesthetics, they are quite defined and almost distinctive. I suppose "chiseled" would be a more common word for such. When someone has strong bodily aesthetics, they are also quite defined. I suppose "sculpted" would be a more common word for this. All in all, the aesthetic man or woman looks as if they were created from a slab of marble by the most careful precision of the master artisans and craftsmen. I may not have facial aesthetics, but I am on a personal quest to achieve bodily aesthetics. It is all part of my multifaceted plan of mastery, in this instance it is mastery over the body. The body wishes to have a mind of its own, it wishes to be its own master. Left to its own devices, the body will virtually destroy itself with bad habits after bad habits. Mastery over the body overcomes this. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I've already explained this more than once. Also, the word "aesthetic" is vernacular amongst younger guys who work out. I didn't even know it was used in that way until one of my friends said it that way. Intellectual ability or lack thereof does not determine sexual attraction. Pomp, You should carefully archive all of this nonsense very carefully and keep it on a drive somewhere..Because 10 years from now, you are going to have the laugh of your life revisiting it...At least I hope so... I mean this in a most affectionate way...Its crazy shyt, bro.. TFY 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Pompeii Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Pomp, You should carefully archive all of this nonsense very carefully and keep it on a drive somewhere..Because 10 years from now, you are going to have the laugh of your life revisiting it...At least I hope so... I mean this in a most affectionate way...Its crazy shyt, bro.. TFY Yeah, I'll be laughing 10 years from now and it won't be from my supposed "nonsense". It'll because I'll be richer than King Solomon. Link to post Share on other sites
Revolver Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 This is annoying because most people assume all guys get girls thrown at them in college when this is simply not the case. A small amount of guys get to live the "Animal House" experience of rotating women while most guys are either in relationships or get thrown a bone once in a while in the form of a desireless, semi-drunken hookup. Not only that, but most guys lie when they talk about how they hooked up with "X amount of bitches" last weekend. No, men in college don't get "free sex from women everywhere", at least you don't unless you're an exceptional guy. Many women still won't have sex with you unless you have some form of high social status if you go to a small to medium sized school on the smaller end or you look aesthetically elite. There's not that many guys out in college who are getting sex regularly from a wide wave of enthusiastic participants. There are a lot of guys who are just struggling to meet a girl they won't be considered another friend by. How do I know? I know swaths of these guys. A lot of girls simply have zero sexual interest in a majority of the male population and view them as asexual. These poor women are getting pressured from the guys who have many options, not the virtually invisible normal guys. I know a few men who are successful with women who I currently go to college with and those who graduated many years ago. They have never lacked female attention from all sorts of backgrounds and manipulate that attention accordingly. The rest of us usually have to submit an application and hope that it will get reviewed and that we'll get an interview sometime down the line. What baffles me still is the inability of people such as Chaucer to give up the ghost and admit that this has some semblance of truth. Even people like Emilia admits that there is some underlying validity to it. I think the reason for this is the media. Because of movies,TV and some songs everyone believes college is a non stop orgy where every guy is screwing tons of women and that's FAAAAAR from the truth. Its just like HS, a small percentage of guys are sleeping with tons of women(frat guys/athletes etc)where everyone else does either OK or gets nothing at all. I also think that's why many guys who didnt do well in HS get dissappointed when they get there because its not like the movies. Actually, google "college is not like the movies", you'll see some funny stuff Link to post Share on other sites
fortyninethousand322 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I was not using drug addiction as a comparison. I was using a statistic as a comparison. When I had a job as a drug and alcohol counsellor, we were told that 1% of heroin addicts could get clean and remain clean. I have no idea if that's a valid statistic, but if addicts heeded it the way some of the guys here heed the 80/20 thing, junkies wouldn't even try to get clean. And I'm sure some of them DON'T even try because of statistics. That's on them. And the guys who are dateless because they never stop carrying on about the fake 80/20 thing are responsible for their own fate as well. The thing is, trying to defy the statistics on addiction is pretty much an act of survival because you basically have no other choice if you want to have a life. Encouraging someone not to beat a drug addiction is tantamount to telling them to give up on life. Encouraging someone who will never date or have a girlfriend (or I suppose a boyfriend if such is the case) to beat the statistics is enabling unhealthy goals and lifestyle. A better idea would be to just simply explain that they should focus their skills and talents on other venues. Link to post Share on other sites
crude Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 A 40 year old woman might be going through a spell of bad luck with men, so she decides to stop dating for a few years. That doesn't mean she has no sexual desires, so she calls an old college friend who's single and has been in touch since school. They find each other attractive, don't want to be celibate, so they become FWB. For some bizarre reason, some of the women here have decided to demonize FWB and attack it without even comprehending what it is and means. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 So free sex without relationship is the best deal...yep you just proved my point mister. How does seeing women as a piece of meat and not humans work for you? Mr Pomp is a PUA who tries to pretend hes not..heh The ideal is a loving and committed relationship where she gets as hot for you as women do for the players but that is very hard to find. If it is a choice between player who gets her wet or beta husband material who she will always feel she settled for then yeah most men want the former and I don't blame them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Really naiive if you think that's the true "ideal" for most men. Men are selfish and view women as a means to an end, not human beings with thoughts, feelings and desires like themselves And yet I am the one gets criticized for being bitter and generalizing. How are posts like this any better than what I post? Link to post Share on other sites
miss_jaclynrae Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Really naiive if you think that's the true "ideal" for most men. Men are selfish and view women as a means to an end, not human beings with thoughts, feelings and desires like themselves And you called woggle bitter? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
miss_jaclynrae Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Whatever call me bitter. I don't have these views because I went through an ugly divorce or breakup. My breakups and dating experiences are not god awful Ive had the whole gammit. My statements come from getting to know how most of the men around me view women. Most men (meaning over the majority) don't walk around wanting a loving committed relationship unless its with a model who has sex like a porn star and also happens to not be a golddigger (of course) and is the nicest coolest person ever. Most men, look at women and see them as a means to an end, not a person like themselves...tons of male responders on this forum have post after post saturated of this mentality. Oh and male relatives of mine who love me have told me this too btw...warning me of the piggish, self obsessed, shallow nature of men, which is true :lmao: I hate to laugh at your pain... but how can anyone take this serious? Link to post Share on other sites
BradJacobs Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Really naiive if you think that's the true "ideal" for most men. Men are selfish and view women as a means to an end, not human beings with thoughts, feelings and desires like themselves You can't possibly believe these words can you? Link to post Share on other sites
Sanman Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I do because that's how most of the men I meet and know in real life view women. And well over 50% of the men on this site as well...oh but Im a stupid stupid poor baby so whats my opinion to you? Im just delusional and bitter because I have brain cells and can observe my surroundings And if I lived in a prison, I would assume everyone was a criminal or a corrections officer. It does not make what I observe a unilateral truth. You admit that 50% of the men here think that way. What do te other 50% believe? Link to post Share on other sites
BradJacobs Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I do because that's how most of the men I meet and know in real life view women. And well over 50% of the men on this site as well...oh but Im a stupid stupid poor baby so whats my opinion to you? Im just delusional and bitter because I have brain cells and can observe my surroundings How do you meet these men that you speak of observing in your surroundings? I don't agree with your assessments but then again I'm not you nor do I know what you're coming into contact with in your surroundings. Link to post Share on other sites
Sanman Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 The other 50%: lonely men who will take anything and a smaller % are emotionally healthy respectful men. Men like that are RARE nowadays. I don't live in a prison...choose to live in denial but most men are only interested in women for selfish reasons My eyes show me that many guys enjoy their relationships and commit to their women as all of my good friends are married or in ltrs. That is who I surround myself with as I am in an ltr. To my point before, reality is not only your perception of the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Author MrTurk Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 When you make vast, particularly negative generalizations, no one is going to take you seriously at all. It may not be a generalization from that persons point of view....or that persons experience. The saying "You are a product of your environment" can be blanketed over many of the threads on this site. Guy A may have grown up around great women and only has positive things to say(but that doesnt mean all women are great) Guy B may have grown up dealing with women that cheat on him and hurt him...so he will have a negative outlook(but that doesnt mean all women are negative) People are made through their experiences....so its sort of fruitless to a point to try to tell someone they are wrong for having such and such a viewpoint when we dont know what they've been though. Link to post Share on other sites
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