Outing PUA tactics!

[Drseussgrrl]

Don't forget "The Cube" where the PUA has you visualize a cube and then gives you an impromptu personality reading based on its size and color. They call it Demonstrating Higher Value or something like that.

 

HEY!! I had a guy on a date ask me to picture myself going down a path, and I could go left into the woods or right into the jungle. Then he asked me to picture the first thing I ran across.

 

Is this PUA? Regardless it did make for a fun convo.

[Babolat]

Openly ignoring the hottest girl (supposedly) in the room, is also negging, but it came to mind when I thought of wingmen, who help to take care of the less attractive friends, distracting them from the one guy making headway with the one he's zeroed in on. The friends who would try to keep him away from her...

I have this thing with the hottest woman in the room, who you can tell know its. She will get NO attention from me.

 

Friday night I was standing next to 4 hot woman, taking photos of each other, breasts hanging out, showing their legs, acting all giddy, one threw her hair on me and leaned into me for a photo. I pulled away and she almost fell. She was not happy when I laughed.

[sweetjasmine]

For the record, the cock shot doesn't come from PUA . Nobody knows where that one came from!

 

I have a feeling it has something to do with a surviving piece of caveman brain...

[Babolat]

HEY!! I had a guy on a date ask me to picture myself going down a path, and I could go left into the woods or right into the jungle. Then he asked me to picture the first thing I ran across.

 

Is this PUA? Regardless it did make for a fun convo.

 

Well, what did you run across?

[Treasa]

I have this thing with the hottest woman in the room, who you can tell know its. She will get NO attention from me.

 

Friday night I was standing next to 4 hot woman, taking photos of each other, breasts hanging out, showing their legs, acting all giddy, one threw her hair on me and leaned into me for a photo. I pulled away and she almost fell. She was not happy when I laughed.

 

I don't blame you. That seems pretty trashy and lame.

[ThaWholigan]

Some of PUA came from NLP (Neuro-linguistic programming) which began as a form of therapy and ended up being used for evil, so the technique was trashed by the psych community.

True. I have quite a lot of NLP material on my computer. It's good to use on yourself, but on other people you're treading on slightly dangerous ground - a thin line.

[Drseussgrrl]

Well, what did you run across?

 

I picked the jungle and ran into a tiger! RAWR

[tbf]

True. I have quite a lot of NLP material on my computer. It's good to use on yourself, but on other people you're treading on slightly dangerous ground - a thin line.

Consider how hoop and compliance theory work. That's blatant NLP.

[Anela]

HEY!! I had a guy on a date ask me to picture myself going down a path, and I could go left into the woods or right into the jungle. Then he asked me to picture the first thing I ran across.

 

Is this PUA? Regardless it did make for a fun convo.

 

I'm feeling kind of disappointed now. I had a few genuine messages from guys, and the rest only consisted of, "hey sexy," or, "hey beautiful." Reading the above, my answer probably would have been, "A PUA."

[New User]

........What.

 

Do men realize that a lot of women don't see male genitalia the same way men see female genitalia? I'm not saying all, but I've gotten so many pictures of dicks from guys that I can't distinguish between them. You've seen one dick, you've seen them all. Unless it has five piercings, like one of my friends has in his.

 

 

I'm amazed that this is a common enough problem that it is mentioned in more than a few of the profiles I've seen on OKC (or POF, forget which), usually something to the effect of "Don't be a perv and send wiener shots."

 

Gives a decent opener- if I was interested I'd write something to the effect of "It's kinda weird that you're asking for wiener shots, but here you go"

 

and a picture very similar to this one (completely safe for work):

 

http://fabandfru.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/chicago-dog-1.jpg

[Taramere]

Exactly. When a guy CONSTANTLY uses my name in almost every sentence, for example, it annoys the crap out of me and feels so incredible insincere.

 

 

Ggggrrrraawwwrr. I had a go at a guy about this one time. He'd taken me to a wedding and promptly dumped me with a bunch of bitchy girls he worked with while he went off to play pool. I struggle to remember a time I'd encountered such a hostile bunch of people, so by the time he returned I was sitting back in my seat with an ostentatiously bored look on my face. He started talking to me about how to "ingratiate myself" with groups of people.

 

He went through a list of crass "how to win friends and influence people" ways to slither and slime your way into the affection of fools. When he got to "use people's names a lot" I interjected with "I noticed you do that. A lot. Next time you're on a date with a girl, try just not dumping her with your bitchy workmates for the evening. That'll work wonders."

[Anela]

I have this thing with the hottest woman in the room, who you can tell know its. She will get NO attention from me.

 

Friday night I was standing next to 4 hot woman, taking photos of each other, breasts hanging out, showing their legs, acting all giddy, one threw her hair on me and leaned into me for a photo. I pulled away and she almost fell. She was not happy when I laughed.

 

Then you're a natural.

 

This is what they tell guys to do, though. There's video on youtube, of this guy who called himself Mystery (I think it was). He was sitting with three women, on a couch, and ignoring the most attractive one - she started to try to get his attention (whereas before, she hadn't been interested).

[Drseussgrrl]

Hahahahaha!

[ThaWholigan]

Consider how hoop and compliance theory work. That's blatant NLP.

Absolutely, I saw the connection while reading Carlos Xuma's work. That also arose because the theory in PUA is that girls generally adopt "hoop and compliance" by default so they basically have to pre-empt it. I don't really agree 100% because everybody's dynamic slightly differs.

[Treasa]

Ggggrrrraawwwrr. I had a go at a guy about this one time. He'd taken me to a wedding and promptly dumped me with a bunch of bitchy girls he worked with while he went off to play pool. I struggle to remember a time I'd encountered such a hostile bunch of people, so by the time he returned I was sitting back in my seat with an ostentatiously bored look on my face. He started talking to me about how to "ingratiate myself" with groups of people.

 

He went through a list of crass "how to win friends and influence people" ways to slither and slime your way into the affection of fools. When he got to "use people's names a lot" I interjected with "I noticed you do that. A lot. Next time you're on a date with a girl, try just not dumping her with your bitchy workmates for the evening. That'll work wonders."

 

Awww, I can't possibly see why you aren't still with him! OMG, I have to start a thread in the Water Cooler area, because this reminded me of something.

[white]

I find this **** scary.

 

Does it really work? Really? Like really? Have you watched someone paw at women they just met and seen it work? Have you seen guys "neg" a girl and seen the girl become desperate to prove herself? Have you seen some convoluted bull**** game get played about cubes or stories or whatever and off they go out the door together?

 

Because it sounds to me like a giant con designed to liberate money from gullible men, with a vast array of astroturfed positive reviews. Literally no women I've ever dated would have fallen for any of this (tell me I overestimate them and you can go choke on a dick). They'd have found it weird in the extreme. But then they aren't out on the town, drunk, and looking for men. So what we have here is an arsenal, a ****ing phalanx of protocols, techniques and concepts, designed to enable men to pick up women looking to get picked up.

 

Way to go, I guess.

[Star Gazer]

PUA is for the loser type. I remember reading some on the "Mystery Method", and I threw it in the trash after the first couple of pages.

 

The people who write the books are very smart though. They capitalize on weak beta males who sit in the house and watch porn al day.

 

3,000 dollars for PU lessons. I wish I could of thought of it. Don't mind at all taking a suckers money for something that doesn't even work .

 

Totally agree. When I've "researched" PUA, I've actually cringed at the thought of all the helpless betas squandering their money on these "programs" in the hope of getting a blowjob. A hooker would be cheaper and easier, and give the same result - because lord knows, the PUA tactics aren't going to get a guy a relationship!

[ThaWholigan]

I find this **** scary.

 

Does it really work? Really? Like really? Have you watched someone paw at women they just met and seen it work? Have you seen guys "neg" a girl and seen the girl become desperate to prove herself? Have you seen some convoluted bull**** game get played about cubes or stories or whatever and off they go out the door together?

 

Because it sounds to me like a giant con designed to liberate money from gullible men, with a vast array of astroturfed positive reviews. Literally no women I've ever dated would have fallen for any of this (tell me I overestimate them and you can go choke on a dick). They'd have found it weird in the extreme. But then they aren't out on the town, drunk, and looking for men. So what we have here is an arsenal, a ****ing phalanx of protocols, techniques and concepts, designed to enable men to pick up women looking to get picked up.

 

Way to go, I guess.

Sometimes it works. It depends though - if he is smart enough to adopt the "techniques" that jive with his natural persona, then he will do better - whether he is good or bad. For some, it is always uncomfortable because they always focus on the getting laid part of PUA rather than a lot of the good material that helps you actually build up rapport with them, and putting it into a synthesis that helps you socialize and have better time with women.

[ThaWholigan]

Totally agree. When I've "researched" PUA, I've actually cringed at the thought of all the helpless betas squandering their money on these "programs" in the hope of getting a blowjob. A hooker would be cheaper and easier, and give the same result - because lord knows, the PUA tactics aren't going to get a guy a relationship!

That's actually what I wanted to ask you:

 

What actual programs have you researched?

[fortyninethousand322]

Totally agree. When I've "researched" PUA, I've actually cringed at the thought of all the helpless betas squandering their money on these "programs" in the hope of getting a blowjob. A hooker would be cheaper and easier, and give the same result - because lord knows, the PUA tactics aren't going to get a guy a relationship!

 

Perhaps they won't. But, sometimes trying something is better than continuing to do whatever it is you were/are doing that led you nowhere.

 

Even if it's just a placebo to make you more confident, it's worth a shot. Isn't it?

 

I mean for the average guy who's not getting anywhere, he truly has nothing to lose.

[Star Gazer]

That's actually what I wanted to ask you:

 

What actual programs have you researched?

 

All of the large forums that exist on the internet, and their related programs. I don't know their names and can't be bothered to make a list.

[Star Gazer]

Perhaps they won't. But, sometimes trying something is better than continuing to do whatever it is you were/are doing that led you nowhere.

 

Even if it's just a placebo to make you more confident, it's worth a shot. Isn't it?

 

You're not the only person involved in a PUA technique. There's another human being, a woman, who usually sincerely has some level of genuine romantic feelings for you, involved.

 

I don't use people. You'd use a woman to make yourself more confident? Wow.

[ThaWholigan]

All of the large forums that exist on the internet, and their related programs. I don't know their names and can't be bothered to make a list.

I take it you read RSD, Love Systems amongst others then.

 

I have almost every piece of PUA up till 2011 on my computer. That's why I feel apprehensive about speaking bad about PUA as a whole because there was good in it for me - and I haven't had to lie, neg or backhandedly compliment a woman the entire time I've been reading it. I've been good .

[Taramere]

Totally agree. When I've "researched" PUA, I've actually cringed at the thought of all the helpless betas squandering their money on these "programs" in the hope of getting a blowjob. A hooker would be cheaper and easier, and give the same result - because lord knows, the PUA tactics aren't going to get a guy a relationship!

 

That was a big aspect of the George Sodini story. He'd paid money for these PUA seminars and been frustrated by the lack of effectiveness. That's the scary aspect of this pop psychology crap. It's delivered by marketing men - some of whom seem to think their cursory knowledge of basic psychology equips them to cure the interpersonal problems of people who have major issues.

[Treasa]

You're not the only person involved in a PUA technique. There's another human being, a woman, who usually sincerely has some level of genuine romantic feelings for you, involved.

 

I don't use people. You'd use a woman to make yourself more confident? Wow.

 

Not to mention that more savvy women, ones with little morals, will spot the attempt immediately and use it to their advantage to screw you over. Men aren't the only ones who can play psychological games.