How Long For Nc Until The Ex Knows They Have Messed Up!

[kodiak]

weird- You are a good dude!!! Thanks man u do make me feel better and think past the hurt and anger and see that there truly might be a reason she hasnt contacted me. Thanks again my brother. How did you know that your ex did care the whole time during NC. Did dhe tell you or dod you just know it deep down inside. Let me know. Thanks Again man, Take Care....................Kodiak

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by Weird

Kodiak,

 

no prob son. Dude I KNOW she cares. Unless she is a true psychopath then she still cares. I know full well not hearing her say "thanks" or stuff seems like she must not care but she does. She is just prolly too pussy or feeling guilty to say something back to you.

 

I've been there. Didn't hear from my ex for months and she cared all that time.

 

You did the right thing with the card and don't feel bad about it. Anyone who says otherwise can lick my left nut and make the right one jealous.

 

LOL! Too funny. Ever hear this quote:

 

"When someone proves to you who they are, believe them."

[kodiak]

ConfusedinOC- Im kinda missed the point of that quote, sorry im not to sharp with that stuff. Explain it to me if you would, thanks...Kodaik

[Weird]

Originally posted by kodiak

weird- You are a good dude!!! Thanks man u do make me feel better and think past the hurt and anger and see that there truly might be a reason she hasnt contacted me. Thanks again my brother. How did you know that your ex did care the whole time during NC. Did dhe tell you or dod you just know it deep down inside. Let me know. Thanks Again man, Take Care....................Kodiak

 

Thanks bro!

 

I knew both because she told me when she apologized ot me this past Sept and also cuz I knew deep down she did. Why did I know that? Because I didn't do anything wrong to her. I knew I was a great guy to ehr and there is no way she could not care about a guy who was great towards her.

 

If you were a great guy to your ex and didn't do anything wrong (by that I mean abuse her verbally emotionally or physically, cheat on her, etc) then there is no way she could not still care.

 

I think in due time she will be ready to talk to you again. All you have to do is have some patience but I do feel that you should not just expect her to contact you and live your life as if she is out of it for good. Basically, have low expectations and if something good happens then you can be pleasantly surprised. Dont totally close the door on hearing from her but dont also keep it wide open waiting for her to walk in. I did that with my ex. Went on with my life and was happy but knew that the day might come where she would contact me and sure enough she did. I did not sit by the phone waiting for it or stopped myself from enjoying my life in hopes it woudl happen...I just sorta put it in the back of my mind and if it (us talking again) happened then cool, if not, then that is fine as well.

[ConfusedInOC]

Originally posted by kodiak

ConfusedinOC- Im kinda missed the point of that quote, sorry im not to sharp with that stuff. Explain it to me if you would, thanks...Kodaik

 

It means if your current bf or gf is has certain characteristics, then that's who she is. Don't be blinded by love.

 

If she is prone to using you, see her for who she is.

If she lies to you, then that is who she is.

 

In other words, a tiger does not change it's stripes.

[kodiak]

weird-

 

Thanks again man for your reply. I truly appreciate it. You are right i have to live my life. I treated my ex great and was very good to her. I hope that one day i do hear from her and we can talk. I rally do. She was an amzing womne and i will always hold a place in my heart for her. You see werid i have a great life. Im 24 years old, almost make six figures a year, have a great family and friends, and can do just about anythinh I want to. I just have to learn how to enjoy it more and not wait around by my phone for her. I just miss her bro. I miss her family which i was very close to and so on. So do you talk to your ex anymore or no? How are things with that? Thanks again weird for you advice, it means alot. I will post more later tonight, take care buddy..........Kodiak

[Green_and_White]

Hey,

 

I think Im posting my thread right. Im in the same boat as you. Im not in bad shape. Just got a job that pays great, brand new mazda 6, and i graduated from Michigan State in May @ 22. Ill be fine I hope. It sucks for me cause im a man of principle and Im dealing with someone who has none. I hate being one upped.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t47988/

[Weird]

Originally posted by kodiak

weird-

 

Thanks again man for your reply. I truly appreciate it. You are right i have to live my life. I treated my ex great and was very good to her. I hope that one day i do hear from her and we can talk. I rally do. She was an amzing womne and i will always hold a place in my heart for her. You see werid i have a great life. Im 24 years old, almost make six figures a year, have a great family and friends, and can do just about anythinh I want to. I just have to learn how to enjoy it more and not wait around by my phone for her. I just miss her bro. I miss her family which i was very close to and so on. So do you talk to your ex anymore or no? How are things with that? Thanks again weird for you advice, it means alot. I will post more later tonight, take care buddy..........Kodiak

 

No problem dude, I am glad to offer advice that hopefully is helpful. THing with the advice I give on here is that it comes from personal experience. Aside from dealing wiht an ex who cheats, I have been in position of all the good guys on this thread and know the feelings. I've pressed and got burned. I've poured my heart out and got burned. I've got the cold shoulder after doing nice things (ie sending bday cards and stuff) which hurt. I've been through all that in the last 1.5 years so I know how it feels. I also know about missing her. Hell, I still miss my ex even to this day. The thing is, I miss the girl she USED to be not the girl she is now but the fact is, I miss her.

 

In due time I am confident you'll be feeling much better and will go back to enjoying the things you have had all along in your life and also will be enjoying the new things you will get in your life rather than not fully enjoy them like you are feeling now. Been there.

 

As for talking to my ex, no I don't. Havent heard a peep from her since that dinner night um, Nov 19th. No biggie though because I dont want to talk to the person she is now because she is flat out boring with her working robot personality....I'd rather hump rosanne barr than spend another night "talking" to my ex.

 

Take it easy bro and if you ever need to talk or want to vent you know where to find me

 

 

 

On an unrelated note, I am picking up my car next week. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[mj108]

Hope this isn't too long...probably will have to post 2. You know how talkative I can be.

 

Charlane---I know what you mean! I did everything for my ex. I don't want to hear you say you were weak with him! I mean, You did great things for him because you Love/loved him. He will NEVER forget you! Just like my ex will never forget me. When my ex & I talked that's one thing he said----"I'll never forget about the candlelight dinner, you fixed my favorite meal....noone has ever done that." ETC. ETc. I could go on. Basically, I know that he will never forget me just like your ex won't. If you did things for him that no other woman has done for him then---He will remember you. You weren't weak. You pleased him because you loved him---that's not a sign of weakness. It's a sign of a woman that gives a damn about the person that she's with! HE WILL REMEMBER YOU----because he won't ever get a wonderful woman like you. There is very few woman out there that would treat their men the way we did...like Gold. That's why they will NEVER forget us.

 

Kodiak---my drinking partner. LOL Glad you sent the card. I agree with Weird. I talked to my ex a couple weeks ago & I feel so much better. You tried to show her you care (me too with my ex). You sent the card & I talked to the ex---now let it be...don't contact...atleast you and I tried for the last time to show them we care! But we can't dwell on it. We will go through the emotions & they still have our hearts but atleast we know we tried! Also, we have to think abouit the good people out there that deserve our love. We know that they are people out there like us.....look at this forum. How are we not going to meet anyone if we don't get out there & give someone a chance? I know you and I have it going on...my drinking partner. We can't dwell on the exes---they are living their lifes...it's about time we do too. I'm not saying the 1st person you meet is going to be the person you need to be with but I do think we should not wait for the exes. We need to try to move on...not rush anything but not wait around for the ones that have our hearts. Who's to say that the next person won't steal our heart away?

PS---Wished I lived by you too! Then again---you and I would go on a drinking binge...that would be bad for both of us.

 

Crazydawg---We'll all go to Vegas with you and scare the ex. lol Just Kidding. When are you going? I know WantanS4 suppose to be going soon. Hmm...maybe we can all have a party over that way. ha

 

Atlous---Where the hell are you at girl? I miss ya!

 

LexiB---Where are you at too? Miss you also!!

[mj108]

Well, sorry I have to go to a 2nd post. I've been working my butt off all week & I'm taking Friday off. Tonight (Thursday), after work, I'm leaving & going to the mountains.

 

Just wanted to tell everyone the update on my situation. I was at a friends house tonight...my ex ex (the one I've been telling you all about) went over there with me. Anyway, my ex ex cooked us a meal that rocked! Matt (my ex ex)...is just a friend. He's the guy I went out with for just 3 months 10 years ago. ha Damn I'm old.

Anyway, guess who called my friend. Yeah, my ex. What great timing, eh? lol I've been the 3rd and 5th wheel over there. I heard my ex say "Who is all over there?" My friend said "Me, my girl, MJ, & Matt." Then I heard my friend say "ok....ok" Then he hung up with him. For some reason---I smiled & thought to myself..."Hmm...wonder what he's thinking?"

 

My friend Matt wanted to cook for me and stuff. Him and I are friends but...tell me guys...what do you all think of this---I was sick half the day yesterday & he called & Matt told me "Sweetie I'm worried about you..being sick & all. I'm cooking something up....want to let you know & I'm worried about you & call me if you need anything." Anyway, he's cooked for me 3 nights this week. He tells me everyday "Damn, you looking so good...I'm stupid for ever letting you go, but I was inmature at the time, you know?." We watched a movie the other night & he started massaging my neck & told me I'm tense & I needed to relax & that I should forget about the dweeb. Do you all think that I'm reading things wrong cause I'm trying to take my mind off my ex or do you all think he's interested in me?

 

Getting back to you all:

 

Jip---I hate nightmares! I didn't have any lastnight, Thank God! What is so strange about mine---it's about people I don't know. It wasn't about my ex. I did have a great dream lastnight about a scuba diver....it wasn't my ex---just someone I don't know, but I can say...I'm not going to fuss about it.

Thank you for the compliments! You are a great woman yourself & you deserve a great guy! You will get that great guy & I will get my scuba diver great guy. ha Sorry---thinking about the dream again.

 

H/H---The singles meet is in February. I'll know more info next month. Wish me luck & pray for me some luck. ha

 

Sukotto--I think if you want something with your ex & Heather I think you should be honest. I would say that you want to date around. Eventhough you have just been on 2 dates with Heather---You don't need to give her up. You don't want to get into a situation where you're out with one & bump into the other, you know? Not good for anybody. My advice is I wouldn't give your ex a 2nd chance (just like my ex---he cheated!) but I know how hard it is when someone has your heart & has history with you. Do what your heart feels, but the most important thing is be honest.

 

Nick14---I agree 100% with my bro Rob!

 

Theone44---I agree with ya---'PAYBACK IS A B.....TCH!!" Going to be my motto for 2005.

 

Weird---I can't wait until you get your car so you can drive down here & pick your big sister up! You know I'm a good catch just like you are my bro! We'll just ride on out & take a flight to the outback. Also--love your advice--you are as blunt as your big sis. ha I guess everyone should tell we're related, eh?

 

drjones--How are ya?

[bigacesteve]

mj,

it sounds blatantly obvious to me that Matt wants a bit of mj. What do you think of him? He sounds very keen.

[djones]

Hey Guys,

 

Sorry I have been away for awhile, my dad is doing ok, he is still in the hospital....i think maybe this weekend they will ley him out, his condidtion can only be helped my meds, there is too much blockage for them to do anything, but thats ok his heart function is very good for his condtion which is good news.....

I have been trying to follow up on the posts but its been hard, once my dad gets better life should be better for me....

from what I read:

MJ--I think Matt does like you....if you like him give him a shot, its nice to have someone care for you and do the small things to show that he cares ie making dinner calling to say that he is worried about you....I say give it a try....

Kodiak---I still think you did the right thing by sendind the card you said your peace and feel good that you made that extra effort....now man just move on, forget about her and find a new girl to treat you right, I know its hard but you have to do it....I think about her sometimes, but she left me and its not my fault and you should feel the same.....everyone here is a good person and we desvre the *****en best!!

BigSteve---How are you doiing buddy Ihave not seen a post from ya in a while

Sukhotto---I read some of your posts I think wierd, MJ and the rest of the guys are giveing you solid advice man...take care

HandH-- how are you buddy thanks again for the talk it really helped me put things in perspective....

Weird--I know about missing the ex it still happens to all of us....man have fun with teh car, go cruzing for a nice chick!!

 

As for me guys, I have been real tired with all this crap....the new girl is real great, we are talking on the phone everynight, she is real concerend about my dad so I really do apprieciate that, she still digs me, and we are going to see eack other for coofee this weekend....I will post more later guys I am off to the hospital...

 

take care

[Weird]

MJ,

 

hey big sis! Matt sounds like a good guy. If you are cool with it (meaning you are truly ready for another relationship) and stuff you should give him a try and see how it goes. I still smile when I think about your ex calling the house while you were there with Matt. So good

 

Yeah I need to the car and come get you so we can peep Asutralia. Mmm...those awesome accents.

 

Yeah, we are obviously bro/sis since we're so blunt and speak our minds. Nobody can mess wiht us too. Someone messes with me and my sis will kick their ass. Someone messes with my sis and I'll kick their ass. So good.

 

 

Sukotto,

 

forgot to post about this yesterday....ok I thought she fully cheated on you. Since she promises she didn't and I am guessing never slept with that new guy I think you have a tougher choice. I have no idea what you should do other than to follow your heart. I'm all about second chances if the person didn't cheat but I realize others don't feel the same way as me so you just need to follow your heart. Since you have that new girl in the picture it is obviously more difficult than if you were just by yourself and your ex wanted to come back. Decisions decisions....

 

Jones,

 

Good to hear the stuff with the new girl is still going well.

[bigacesteve]

drjones,

good to hear that your dad is doing better mate. Keep an eye on him when he's out, they're flippin stubborn dads are, they think they're superman. I was only b0ll0cking my own father the other night. I went around my parents house for some food and he was covering his meal with salt. Like a mountain with a snowy top. Only a few months earlier I'd seen my father telling my grandfather (his father) off for putting too much salt on his food. I had a moan and he told me that the salt was LO-SALT; I told him it didn't mean he could put on 3 times as much.

 

Yea I've not been posting much just lately, always busy doing something at the moment.

 

Boxing 3 times a week in the evenings, getting really good now and my fitness is incredible. They've started putting me with the big bruiser already, really good. A friend of mine keeps challenging me to sparring so I fought him on Monday; he won't be challenging me again! ha ha ha.

Playing 5-a-side football 3 times a week. The sprint training at boxing is really helping my sprinting in football (soccer).

Go to the gym nearly every week day also and do some running.

 

Just don't have any free nights at the moment and I'm loving it.

 

Even with all this going on my ex keeps appearing in my head and I miss her greatly but I've managed to keep that under control. I know that I'll get nowhere whatever I do, whatever I say to her; so I do nothing but look after myself.

 

You all sound so much better just lately. Few rough patches but we're all dealing with them quite soundly.

 

Got to go now but I'll be on later with my views on things.

 

Laters

[mj108]

Well, I didn't make it out to the mountains today. I'm not getting out in this tornadoeee weather...hell no! Anyway, My cousin & I are leaving early tomorrow morning. Atleast No work tomorrow.

 

Went by Matts just a minute ago & he told me that he enjoyed hanging out with my friends & my friends asked him over (they called me earlier) to see if he wanted to hang out. lol My friends are also my exes friends. How strange this is....in a way. I will say Matt broke my heart 10 years ago. He didn't cheat (thank God!). He ended up in a band & wanted his 'freedom,' you know? Well, at the time I wasn't the best girlfriend cause I was always hanging out with druggies with no job...nothing. Anyway, I didn't realize it at the time...until years past....that really I wasn't ready for a relationship. Anyway, Him and I did the No contact thing for over a year. Finally, one night he contact me & him and I would stay in touch for twice a month. Matt moved on & had a kid with a woman (he was with her for 5 years) & of course I moved on with my man/got married for 7. We always kept in contact & Matt & I were always honest with the people we were with. Anyway, him and I hung out single ALOT of times joking around. I would point at a chick & say..there ya go buddy...& he would be like "Yes she's ok...but.." Then he would point out a guy & say "there ya go." & I'd say "I don't know?" You know it's like a friendship thing. Well, do you all think friendships can turn into 'love-BF/GF relationships?' He's been hinting around about how much we were young back then & he wonders what would had happened if we stayed together. etc. I will say here lately I have been catching his stare. Hmmm...maybe I didn't notice it before because I was so wrapped up with the ex? I don't know. Or maybe I'm trying to look for something right now because I'm lonely?

 

Bigacesteve--thanks for the advice. I've known Matt for years & he's always been there---even when I called him at 2 o'clock in the morning drunk. ha I think I'll just keep it as friendship right now & take it slow, you know? I get frustrated that I can't get over the ex that cheated on me! I know one day I will...just takes time I guess. I know how hard it is when the ex pops in your head or in your dreams. You just got to keep on going buddy! I think with the holidays coming up---it seems to get worse.

 

drjones---Glad your dad is doing ok. Yeah, it's great having someone cooking me dinner than me cooking them dinner. Ha. It's like for the past week, Matt has changed toward me. I don't know...maybe it's just that I never notice the little things he does for me. But I will say, I am noticing now.

I'm so glad you and new chick are talking & having fun! You deserve it drjones!

 

Weird---Hi little bro! Yeah, I keep smiling...& smiling about the ex calling when I was the 4th wheel over there. I wish we could get into the exes head to see what they are thinking when there are moments like these? Don't you?

Yep little bro..you know I got your back even at the outback. ha You know I'll kickbox someone a** for ya. Except if it's bigacesteve....I think he may just win cause He'd kick my Arse! I think we need to get bigacesteve to be our big brother.

 

As for me---I'm fixing to go to my neighbors house. If Matt calls...I may just go out & hang out with him.

 

Everyone take care & stay strong! Love you all --my online family!

 

MJ

[Charlane]

Woohoo, MJ! I'm so glad for you. This has really had an impact on your spirits. It looks like it is diverting your attention from the pain of missing your ex and why not? Maybe you loved this guy Matt all along and didn't even know it? Your history with him might have more intensity than your history with your ex. Only time will tell. In the meanwhile, maintain maintain! He needs to make all of the moves so that you are sure. When he is totally blatant and you are confident and you feel that you have gone on enough that you are beyond your ex, take your chance if it is what you want. I hope it all goes well for you!

[Charlane]

Hey MJ, I got a new car. Well, it's a 2004 with 0 miles and it's a Taurus. It's got leather seats, black with spoiler, 6 disc CD changer, aluminum mag wheels, twin V engine (Harley in a car) with evil torque (24 valve), sun/moon roof, all around air bags, and the interior is black too. It's still a 6 cylinder engine on top of everything like a Jaguar.

 

It other words, it's the BATMOBILE.

 

To the BATCAVE!

[djones]

Hey Guys,

 

How are you all doing?....I am doing ok, just tired with all the stress here.....my dad is doing ok, still in the hopstial, his chestpains are now reduced to 1 or 2 a day which is a good sign, i am hoping today they wil relase him or maybe the weekend we will see.....

 

Bigsteve---hehe yeah i know what you mean dads are so stubborn, I wonder if we wil be when we have kids, I like to think I will not b/c I like to listen to reason and act on it.....It sounds like you are keeping busy, I to still think about her once in while, like you it will slowly go away. Have you started maybe just looking around or causal dating? I know its hard, I had a hard time warming up to it also... It takes time.

 

MJ--Have fun on the trip, and see what happens with Matt, Its scary to meet someone after feeling the way we do for our exes, I a feel the same way, I think we all deserve some happiness, this time of the year sucks, for happiness b/c its so amplified that it just makes me sick, ie too much of a good thing you know....

 

If santa did exist, and asked me for one wish I would ask him that all the guys here find true love right now...its just so stupid how all of us here got the shaft from our exes and we did not do anything wrong.....Why dont they love us? did they ever love us while we were together, b/c if that was the case why did they leave us?

 

Charlane-- congrads with the new car, have fun with it and enjoy yourself, hey that car should be a man magnet .....hey Charlane, when I read your post you made me remind me of my ex..(its not your fault).....she is into batman....oh well thats ok....

 

Wierd--thanks man, yeah the new girl is great, I going to see her on the weekend, so that should be fun....

 

HandH, and Kodiak--- how are you guys doing.....p/s lexib and atlous how are you ladies doing?

 

 

Well guys I will have to get going to see my dad, I hope all of you are doing ok...take care

[Weird]

MJ,

 

Sorry you didn't get out to the mountains yesterday but hope you got out there today.

 

Friendships can for sure turn into a relationship like that. I knew my ex for like 3 or 4 years before we got hooked up.

 

You know whatever you decide to do with Matt you have my support. That's what litle brothers are for. hehe You'll be faced with the question though down the line....Matt or some smooth talking mate in Australian. Hmmm... hehe

 

haha yeah Steve is a beast so we shall not piss him off

 

Doc Jones,

 

I too would like the same santa wish so all the good people here could find someone worth their time.

 

Glad to hear your dad is getting better and better each day!!

 

 

Charlane,

 

Congrats on the car!

 

speaking of cars, I am probably going to the dealership tomorrow to sign some papers. My salesman told me they slapped the tint on the car and "it looks hot" (in his words) so it better be dark like I told them to make it. If not, they die! hehehe

[Charlane]

Thanks Doc, Wierd! I don't know about it being a man magnet. I'm doing okay on my own but it's a really nice ride and looks kind of G-man-like. If cars have a gender then this is definitely a guy and I feel protected. I just can't get over how it's kind of a batmobile too. I get a bit of a rush from it stepping on the pedal. This is my serious car. I have an old Porsche that I just love fishtailing in. I'm a good driver like that so I can slide on que really easily and not miss a beat. It's just that I have a tendency to shred tires a little more easily.

 

I get cookies like that I think. Since I was an only child my dad taught me how to pop wheelies on dirt bikes, work on cars, shoot guns, hunt and fish and strange things like that. I lost count of how many times I had to pick gravel out of my buttocks. Good fun! Since I lost him in August and there is no one else and my ex and I split up two months before my dad died, this Christmas is kind of empty. I thought it would be worse but I have people that show me they care so it's not as bad. The TV sportscaster is barreling his way back into my life again and even though we have argued and I went and started dating someone else, I think I'm getting feelings for him. I'm trying to keep this in check but he is always finding a way to stay in my life somehow. It's a bit strange. He's gregarious and dammit......gorgeous.

 

Uh-oh.

[Nick14]

I did it and felt it was the approiate time to do it. Before getting off work at 6 last night, I sent my ex a friendship email. Also, since I am thinking more straight and clearer now, I also put in how I wish I never pushed her and pressured mentally after the breakup and etc. It wasn't too long but it was fairly civil and just full honesty and the whole 9 yards. I guess it was last chance deal and I needed to either move on or hey lets be friends. I never put in hey if were not friends then I'll move, I don't want to make the email sound negative. It has been 3 months and I am realistically over the breakup, but I am ready to try something new. I know I should of not done it but it had to be done and what not. I do care about her and we had good times, thats another reason why i want a friendship at the moment. Obviously no reply and I hate when this happens. If she didn't want this, I just wish she would just email me to tell me "no" "fook off" or whatever, instead of just silence and either sitting on it or just ignoring it. I have to admit, the new girl even says "Ya you should be friends with her, you guys went thru so much, so i am sure she will reply when she is ready". So, I dunno guys, I just want some verbal indication on whats the dealio, instead of pure silence and it doesn't really get me anywhere really.

[Charlane]

Hi Nick. I've seen this before. Something traumatic will have to happen in her life before she is ready to contact you. It's a waiting game more than anything else. You already know that she isn't into contacting you. This is why I never contacted my ex. I know how he thinks and I would definitely appear weak to him and if it's the last thing I ever do in my life it would be to contact him. I would rather hammer nails into my forehead. I miss him like mad but I come first. I put him before me in the past and it's a mistake I will not make with him ever again. I have this feeling that I will hear from him again especially since I have heard that he might lose him job and this would knock him off of that pedestal he built for himself. See what I mean about traumatic life experience and how it changes a person's perspective? Priorities are set right as a result.

[Sukotto]

So how did my night with the ex go? Suprisingly well.

 

I met her and we headed to the ice skating rink, but it started to rain so we went to the cinema to see "Christmas with the Kranks" it was reasonably funny. We then went and had dinner and over dinner I asked her where does she see us going and would she like it if things worked out and her answer was she doesn't know. She said that bumping into me had stirred up alot of feelings and she honestly wasn't sure. I then replied saying that I was basically the same and said I would like things to work out but i wasn't sure about how I felt. I then decided I might as well tell her about Heather and she started asking alot of questions about her and well I told her the truth.

 

It felt good to just come out and say it, she then asked if I was still planning to see her and I just said maybe.

 

After dinner we then went ice skating which was great fun, though it mainly involved me pulling her about as she couldn't skate that well. So on the way back we decided that we should try the whole dating things again and just see where it goes.

 

I guess I'm giving my ex a second chance to see if she really has changed.

[Cabras]

What a wonderful outlook. With the way you both have handled things its sounds like you may both be stronger now. I really wish you the best.

 

Please keep us filled in. I am still hoping that day comes where my ex and I can date again. Did she seem OK with your situation with Heather?

 

If she really does seem to have changed and the second chance seems to be working are you still going to be afraid to take that last step of getting back together? I worry about that step right now and I'm not even talking to my ex yet!

[Charlane]

Way to go Sukotto! I wouldn't just think it complete yet. Don't give all of yourself again like you did before until you are totally comfortable with her. The last time you gave yourself to her ended in a type of disaster so this would tell you to maintain a little distance right now or for a while. She has to prove herself.