Author HokeyReligions Posted November 10, 2004 Author Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by loveregardless all religions have not chosen to travel all over the world spreading their religion, thus their impact is not near that as the Christians. I have no problem with the faith if it had been kept to themselves and not been forced on others. I have a problem with it's effect on the world and the fact that it WAS forced on others. I do not have a problem with "religions", all I ever said is that they are all man made...and so one man mad religon is no better than another, and certianly no one religion needed to be forced upon anyone of other belief systems and cultures. Okay, I think understand about why Christianity is a problem for you -- part of it to go out and spread the word, to introduce as many people as possible to God/Jesus, and to try to convert them. Even if the missionaries believe they are doing it for the good of the persons they are reaching, the act of campaigning for their religion is what you find offensive. I don't like JW's coming to my front door all the time, but I don't have to listen to them--or even answer the door. But I'm still curious about what effect you see this assertive 'push' toward Christianity had or has on the world, and your opinion on how, and in what way, the world would be better without organized Christian religions? Link to post Share on other sites
Pocky Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 only God knows ... Then how can Christians claim we didn't evolve? What about intelligent design theories that incorporate the concept of evolution and Christianity? Why would the Catholic Church accept the concept of evolution and state it was a part of God's plan, yet other Christian's refute it as though it's completely impossible and does not follow the scripture? Link to post Share on other sites
loveregardless Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 the Bible, for all it's beauty, was the greatest attempt by very limited-thinking men to put into words the supernatural being of God. We fall short trying to explain him or his doings. This is the only point I was ever trying to make. Why is it different when you or Pocky or Hokey says something than when I say something? No one ever tries to argue with you! Link to post Share on other sites
bluechocolate Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 from loveregardless My mother still does and she told me day before yesterday that "new age" was "the devil." My mother says the same thing ! from loveregardless This is the only point I was ever trying to make. Why is it different when you or Pocky or Hokey says something than when I say something? No one ever tries to argue with you! Maybe it's all about the delivery? But I hear 'ya - The Bible is a document written by men & translated & re- translated by men over the centuries. Much of it is so vastly different from earlier versions that you could barely call them the same material. I love how some preachers pick & choose passages from different translations dependent on which better serves a particular sermon - amazing that God's word should need to be re-interpreted & re-phrased for maximum effect. Link to post Share on other sites
loveregardless Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 It has limited our perception of "God" It has limited our personal spirituality It has defined the morality for the world It has made "judgment" acceptable and wide spread It has destroyed countless historical texts and secret teachings which apposed it, killed thousands upon thousands of non-christians for apposing them...and made people afraid of every other religion; the supernatural; extraterrestrials; evolution; and countless other theories or phenomenon that they call "the devil" It has caused a schism in science and spirituality as one subject It has caused the oppression of women until recent years, and even does still in some households It has caused our thought patterns to be particualrly physical It has caused human beings to feel superior over the rest of the natural world etc. etc. etc. etc. But oh well, no biggie. Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Thanks for posting your response LR, I was curious to see your answer. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by Pocky Then how can Christians claim we didn't evolve? What about intelligent design theories that incorporate the concept of evolution and Christianity? Why would the Catholic Church accept the concept of evolution and state it was a part of God's plan, yet other Christian's refute it as though it's completely impossible and does not follow the scripture? I guess the reason I don't believe in evolution is becaue if man evolved from apes....why are there still apes? I believe that man did adapt to the ever changing enviroments as time went on and our bodies may have had different characteristics. But I believe man was created as man, not an organism that grew into a tadpole, into a frog, to a lizard, to a shrew, to a rat, and so on and so on until BOOM!!! There's a man. Link to post Share on other sites
loveregardless Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 I would be more worried about the delivery but I feel in comaprison to the way Christianity "delivered" itself unto the world that I am hardly comparable...perhaps I should be burning, pillaging, raping and murdering to get my way? Link to post Share on other sites
bluechocolate Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by loveregardless I would be more worried about the delivery but I feel in comaprison to the way Christianity "delivered" itself unto the world that I am hardly comparable...perhaps I should be burning, pillaging, raping and murdering to get my way? lighten up - it was just a joke (and note I edited that post anyway) Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Chill out LR.....I'm sure that was just an observation by BlueChocolate......geeeezzzz....and I resent you catagorizing all Christians into your raping and pillaging mindset....I certainly don't do all those things. Link to post Share on other sites
YellowLioness Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 always taught me that homosexuality was a sin. However, I had a girlfriend for my entire highschool career while going to church. They never knew, of course, but I believe that sex is sex, no matter if it's with a man or a woman. I think it's just as wrong for two heterosexual people to have premarital sex. However, people don't see that as being as "wrong" as they do homosexuality. So, what is it about homosexuality that bothers people so badly? I've never understood it. Some animals, such as chimpanzees, practice homosexuality in their close knit communities. That knocks out the "it's just unnatural" argument. I can see how premarital sex could be wrong for heterosexual people because a) it deflowers the virgins b) causes pregnancy in minors who are unable to care for their children c) if these youngins don't know about STDs yet they could permananently damage themselves. But, homosexual relations are different. For example, I wasn't technically deflowered until I was almost 19 years old. My girlfriend didn't have a penis, and therefor couldn't penetrate me. As for having a child, two females can't produce children, so that danger is knocked out. STDs are a danger to everyone, not just homosexuals. So, tell me why it's wrong...'cause I don't think that it is. My ex girlfriend and I had an amazing relationship. In fact, I've never been so close with anyone since, except my current fiance. I never felt like what I was doing was wrong. My ex and I felt like we were twin souls, and we're still friends, though we have moved on. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Why is it different when you or Pocky or Hokey says something than when I say something? No one ever tries to argue with you! *smile* ah, girl, you should have seen the fur fly in the one forum where I said I didn't see a need for gay marriage! no amount of eloquence would let me live THAT one down!!!! Then how can Christians claim we didn't evolve? What about intelligent design theories that incorporate the concept of evolution and Christianity? Why would the Catholic Church accept the concept of evolution and state it was a part of God's plan, yet other Christian's refute it as though it's completely impossible and does not follow the scripture? might be because in the whole scheme of things -- 2000 years of Christianity -- this is a "recent" development. Or maybe Catholics aren't trustworthy because we're demonic or something. Personally, I think it works combining those two theories because it factors in the idea that humans cannot grasp the supernatural. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 So, tell me why it's wrong...'cause I don't think that it is. My ex girlfriend and I had an amazing relationship. In fact, I've never been so close with anyone since, except my current fiance. Society and man dubbed it wrong. I just think it goes against what God intended, therefore, a sin, which we all have to begin with so let's get over it and go on..... Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by YellowLioness I think it's just as wrong for two heterosexual people to have premarital sex. However, people don't see that as being as "wrong" as they do homosexuality. I totally agree with you, and it is *just as wrong* in my eyes. It seems to be 'more accepted' though, I can't explain why. I count the days until I can have sex with my fiance and not have to worry about damnation. I feel like I'm driving wrecklessly and speeding too, without an insurance policy. Just call me "Runs with Scissors". Link to post Share on other sites
YellowLioness Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Moose...are you God? If not, how do you know what he intended? The bible was also written by men with predjudices. *shrugs* men men men... Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 YL, No, I am definitley not God!! I can say it was His intentions because the proof is the Scriptures. It's His own words. Please don't get on the old tired path that the Bible was written by men. I don't believe that. God is the author of the Bible, the men where just His tools to get the job done. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 But I believe man was created as man, not an organism that grew into a tadpole, into a frog, to a lizard, to a shrew, to a rat, and so on and so on until BOOM!!! There's a man. interesting thought there, Moose: I remember in a college Anatomy & Physiology class we studied pictures of cellular development at different levels, of different critters. In the early stages, they look pretty similar, but as they aged/grew during gestation, they began taking on particular features of the animals (including human!) that they were going to be. which confirms for me that God developed the blueprint, then tweaked as needed to create species as we see 'em. maybe I can figure out how a missing link fits in, theory-wise ... I swear some of my dad's brothers look simian in appearance! Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 congratulations, Tiki, you've been swiped: "I feel like I'm driving wrecklessly and speeding too, without an insurance policy. Just call me 'Runs with Scissors.'" Link to post Share on other sites
savethedrama4allama Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by tiki I totally agree with you, and it is *just as wrong* in my eyes. It seems to be 'more accepted' though, I can't explain why. I count the days until I can have sex with my fiance and not have to worry about damnation. I feel like I'm driving wrecklessly and speeding too, without an insurance policy. Just call me "Runs with Scissors". Hahah! I'm sure God will ask you to explain the canteloupe incident as well. I hope there is a Loveshack wherever we end up when we die! Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 OMG do ya think God reads LS?! No!!! Please, mods! Erase my sh*t NOW!!! Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by savethedrama4yrmama I'm sure God will ask you to explain the canteloupe incident as well. Oh good going llama. He migh've skipped right over that post til you went and pointed it out. Damn you! Link to post Share on other sites
loveregardless Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 I did some thinking on the way home, and I realized that I have a huge anger issue towards Christians and cannot possibly continue on a spiritual path with that much resentment and anger in my heart. I took into account what everyone has said about the "delivery" of my statements as apposed to others, and you are right, my delivery directly reflects my frustration and anger. Tomorrow I will be posting a thread on forgiveness. P.S. It's ok Tiki, "God" doesn't judge you. And the bible was written by men! Link to post Share on other sites
tiki Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 LR, you think he'll even forgive me for the cantaloupe incident? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by loveregardless I did some thinking on the way home, and I realized that I have a huge anger issue towards Christians and cannot possibly continue on a spiritual path with that much resentment and anger in my heart. I took into account what everyone has said about the "delivery" of my statements as apposed to others, and you are right, my delivery directly reflects my frustration and anger. Tomorrow I will be posting a thread on forgiveness. P.S. It's ok Tiki, "God" doesn't judge you. And the bible was written by men! I'm confused......first, you call us kids, then, here you felt bad about your delivery, wanting to start a thread on forgiveness, then your last breath was, oh....and the Bible was written by men with and explanation point on it. It reminds me when David Letterman runs his Osama videos and at the end of the tape, Osama begins to put the mic down, then quickly raises it again just to interject, "Oh, and death to america", then puts it down.....classic. Link to post Share on other sites
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