Misunderstandings, misconceptions, and ignorance about AD/HD and other disorders

[moimeme]

Elsewhere there is a thread about 'bad seed' in which people discuss the behaviour of people with AD/HD. I saw statements like:

 

No, it's used as an excuse for parents that "parent" poorly.

 

It's very sad. I forgot to mention that he was diagnosed with ADD and had to take meds even as an adult. I don't know if he's still on it.

 

Sometimes I just can't help but think that he has done this to himself.

 

He knows he can do better, he just won't. That's his choice.

 

This shows how little people still understand about AD/HD and other disorders.

 

In order for you to behave 'normally', your entire brain has to work properly. The chemicals that make you happy have to be generated by your body and received by your brain in enough amounts so that you are not suicidal or manic. Other chemicals have to be in balance so that you don't have halllucinations or that your moods don't swing wildly.

 

There is an entire section of your brain - the newest part of your brain - that's devoted to 'executive functions' including planning, learning from past consequences, time management, and even inhibiting behaviours. That is the part of the brain that is affected by AD/HD. AD/HD has one of the highest genetic correlations of any human ailment - up to 90%.

 

This is not just a kid's disease; 60% of people (many say more) have symptoms right through adulthood. It's not due to chemicals, bad parenting, bad diet, or anything other than some form of damage to the functioning of the brain.

 

It's not hopeless. It can be medicated. People can learn to gain better control of all their executive functions. And yes, it does often take meds - basically, the section of the brain that conducts the executive functions is understimulated. Stimulants, which make people without AD/HD antsy and jumpy calm down folks with AD/HD because they kick in the executive functions that enable them to inhibit behaviours.

 

But the symptoms of disinhibited behaviour seem to be character flaws. If you buy everything you want because your impulse control is not inhibited, you appear irresponsible with money. If you follow all your impulses despite the consequences they bear for others, you appear inconsiderate.

 

What you don't understand is that, for the person with AD/HD, the impulse dominates. The 'brakes' you use to shut off or ignore impulses do not work for them. The meds supply the brake fluid to slow them down.

 

These people don't do what they do on purpose. They are like cars with broken brakes. And, yes, they will run you over and, yes, it will hurt like hell (still got the tire tracks on me) but they don't mean it and they're not bad. They just lack the ability to control themselves long enough to be good.

 

Please, PLEASE, for the sake of your loved ones, read this one site. It's only a few pages and it provides a superb explanation of what the executive functions are and how they affect behaviour when they are not controlled.

 

It talks about kids but you can see that the behaviours are very similar in adults. Rather than getting up and jumping around, an adult might pace or tap his foot or constantly twitch and shuffle position while he sits.

 

http://www.pediatricneurology.com/full.htm

 

Also have a look at the diagram; scroll down to "why don't I see problems coming?"

 

http://www.pediatricneurology.com/chapter.htm

 

It's an illustration of 'what's wrong' with folks with AD/HD in an easy-to-understand pic.

 

Disorders are not 'excuses'. They are treatable ailments and you'll do yourselves and your loved ones a great favour by getting them to professionals who can treat them. Everybody's lives can be a whole lot better if the right care is given.

[loveregardless]

Moi, I just wanted to say that I admire your ability to ignore people's hateful comments towards you and your persistence in making the points you wish to make. I agree, and I think it was rather obvious that I agree with you completely in the thread of which you speak, but people tend to get very angry and defensive when you try to share differing opionions with them... especially if it's analytical incite, of which they fear and hate the most. They don't like to admit either blame or their own misunderstanding of any kind. People tend to like to believe that I hold myself in a higher regard that others, or that I am self righteuos or think I know everything, but what they do not know is that I treat myself in the exact same way that I treat everyone else. I would never expect anyone to analyze or try to understand something that I have not subjected myself to on a daily basis for as long as I had that level of understanding...but people don't want to hear that. People don't think that a 19 year old with mental disorders and emotional sensitivity issues can really have an interest in helping people. It's not like I didn't major in pyschology while attending college. It's not like I haven't been to countless therapists, psychologists, and phsychiatrists as well. It's not like I might actually have accurate incite to share with someone about something. Some people just want to hurt my feelings because they know it's easy to do and they don't like having to think that much about thier own life and issues. They see support as telling them exactly what they want to hear as apposed to sharing with them any possible version of the truth. I feel very much for others who have mental disorders and have not been as successful as I have at overcoming and dealing with them...and on some days, I understand exactly why they never had a chance.

[tiki]

Moi, at some point, he has to take responsibility for himself. My brother is old enough to know that if he needs medication for a condition, that he should take it. At 25, I hardly find that it's his mommy's job to make sure that he's taking his medication daily. When is he held accountable for his own actions? Maybe THAT's the problem, that no one has held him accountable for his actions because they think he may have ADD.

 

Umpteen years ago (when he was possible ADDish), people weren't even for sure it was a true condition. Kind of like Fibromyalgia. The doctors couldn't pinpoint what was going on. And ADD is very overly diagnosed.

 

My job in life is not to baby my brother, but to create and live a life all my own. I've done that. I still talk to my brother and spend time with him, I just do not agree with his decisions. He doesn't agree with them either. He looks back at his life and wants to make a change, but never does.

 

I will not hold ADD accountable for drug trafficking, extensive drug use, theft, and burglary...not to mention others. I hold my brother accountable for that. After all, if he is that "whacked out" with ADD so much that it makes him do those things, he needs to be admitted to a mental facility and kept on lock down. But he did this, he takes accountablility for his actions. To fall back on ADD is an excuse, a cop out. Even he knows that and he's supposedly been diagnosed with it. ADD doesn't pay his jail bondsmen. He does.

 

Originally posted by moimeme

Disorders are not 'excuses'. They are treatable ailments

 

Not all disorders are treatable.

[Matilda]

Originally posted by tiki

Not all disorders are treatable. QUOTE]

 

tiki,

 

I think you may be confusing "curable" with "treatable". All disorders, even those that are incurable, whether they be mental or physical are treatable. Symptoms can be alleviated, behavioral modifications can be made, etc.

 

Of course, as with any other disease or disorder, one must be willing to be treated, and make the necessary changes. If a person with diabetes does not take medication or follow a diet, then they will continue to have more severe problems than a person who does follow the treatment plan. Unfortunately, many times the illness itself can make it more difficult for a person to follow, and understand, a treatment plan.

[moimeme]

people tend to get very angry and defensive when you try to share differing opionions with them.

 

LR, you can't let the opinions of strangers get to you. You don't know a thing about them, including the sorts of issues they have and how they've been treated. In fact, quite a while ago there was a thread in which LSers discussed their lives and you'd be shocked at how many members have themselves been abused and mistreated by parents and others. And often people with issues have hostility they take out on others. It's not about you - it's about them.

 

Moi, at some point, he has to take responsibility for himself. My brother is old enough to know that if he needs medication for a condition, that he should take it.

 

Tiki, the Gordian knot is that the very symptoms of AD/HD mitigate against the AD/HDer being very good at managing his own treatment. The forgetfulness means they'll regularly forget to take meds. The lack of insight and planning means they'll not remember to remember the consequences of their actions.

 

I was on AD/HD spouse boards for a while, and most of the men who managed their AD/HD well needed their spouses to help them - everything from setting up the doc appointments to reminding them to take the meds. If someone has a lot of symptoms, then they are unlikely to be very good at managing themselves.

 

And ADD is very overly diagnosed.

 

I'm sorry, Tiki, but IF you would read the information at sites like ADD.org and CHADD.org, you'd know this is completely false. In fact four per cent of people have AD/HD and a huge number of adults who have it have never been diagnosed. It is exceedingly under-diagnosed, precisely because people don't recognize the symptoms and think that people with AD/HD are just jerks.

 

He looks back at his life and wants to make a change, but never does.

 

Again, that's typical. In fact, it's typical of humans. How many people reading right now have sworn to make big changes in their lives and not followed through?

 

After all, if he is that "whacked out" with ADD so much that it makes him do those things, he needs to be admitted to a mental facility and kept on lock down

 

No. He just needs to have the right dose of the right meds plus counselling.

[tiki]

CJD is not treatable, chondrocalcinosis-not treatable, viral infections (although most try to treat with antibiotics), and BSE...to name a few.

 

I don't consider every disease treatable nor curable. It's a nice thought though. I wish it were different.

 

And THEN you have to take into consideration the interactions with other meds, efficacy, and interactions with underlying disease.

[tiki]

[color=darkblue][Restored: request for Moimeme to state her sources] -- oops, even mods can make a boo-boo. I deleted too much too fast. ~Beth[/color]

 

 

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Originally posted by moimeme the Gordian knot is that the very symptoms of AD/HD mitigate against the AD/HDer being very good at managing his own treatment. The forgetfulness means they'll regularly forget to take meds. The lack of insight and planning means they'll not remember to remember the consequences of their actions.

 

I can see your point on this, it makes perfect sense.

[Stone]

I have ADHD I was also an Addict for several years when I wasn't on my meds is it common or related I am not sure but it's over when you are intoxicated your meds don't work. It takes several weeks to straiten your meds out. When I take my meds I am on Stratters a non stimulant I am extreamly focused and productive. when I am off I can't consentrate and get nothing done and slowly self distruct now I am scared sh**less because I am pregnant and cannot take my medication and the empire I have grown can and might crash down because I rely on these meds for daily activities.

 

I don't know who's brother is having problems with meds because I didn't read the whole forum ( ADHD sign LOL but it took me several tries to find the right meds for me, alot of them made me sick and had other side effects maby he should talk to his doctor and try a non stimulant.

[moimeme]

State your sources, I'd like to see them.

 

Well, I have a couple hundred articles and about as many websites. But all you have to do is to go to Medscape if you want to do your own research. There's NIH of course. With respect to AD/HD specifically, there's ADD.org and CHADD.org. You can go to the APA's site and read their papers. There is a vast amount of information out there just a couple clicks on your keyboard away.

 

And then there's this

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t31521

 

I think all the links still work. I posted a follow-up with some fixed or removed links but haven't time to dig it up now. That ought to keep you busy for a bit.

 

I also recommend mentalhelp.net.

[loveregardless]

LR, you can't let the opinions of strangers get to you. You don't know a thing about them, including the sorts of issues they have and how they've been treated. In fact, quite a while ago there was a thread in which LSers discussed their lives and you'd be shocked at how many members have themselves been abused and mistreated by parents and others. And often people with issues have hostility they take out on others. It's not about you - it's about them.

 

You have never appeared more brilliant to me Moi. I know that you are right, and I have known it all along, it's just hard some times to NOT take intentional attacks personal when you do suffer from certain disorders yourself as well as intelligence. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish I was more like you. People give you a lot of sh*t but it doesn't seem to phase you, you're very strong, and you stand up and defend what you believe and think and I GREATLY admire that!

[moimeme]

Remain firm in your convictions but require of yourself that you be at all times reasonable, fair, and compassionate. At least, that's my philosophy. Alwyas remember that the world is full of damaged people and that the wounded animal strikes out even at those who would help. Pain makes people defensive and there are few humans not suffering pain of some sort. It's the sad fact of the human condition.

 

Thank you for your kind compliments. You have a lot of spiritual depth and if you can extend what you already know spiritually farther, you can also take a loving perspective of human behaviour. The harder someone strikes out, the more pain they likely have and so the more compassion they need.

 

It can get to you, yes, when they attack, but then you have to pull back to where you regain perspective on the sum of human suffering. It's not always easy but it's well worth the effort.

 

blessings,

Merry

[tiki]

Originally posted by moimeme

Well, I have a couple hundred articles and about as many websites.

 

Re: All diseases being treatable? I'd love to see them.

 

I even used the site you recommended (NIH) and did a search on untreatable diseases. Here's the search results if you're interested.

 

http://search2.google.cit.nih.gov/searchsite=NIH_Master&client=NIH_frontend&proxystylesheet=NIH_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&filter=0&getfield*&q=untreatable+diseases

 

Go see for yourself that all diseases are not treatable.

 

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I commend your willingness to research things for yourself (your husband) and fellow LSers. I would love to know what you would recommend for my adult brother (after he returns from jailtime of course) in regards to treatment for his problem. I don't think he has taken his medication in quite some time, probably years even. Should he see a regular doctor? Behavioral health professional? I will recommend whatever I can to help him. Even if he gets offended, he may realize that I would like to see him overcome this.

 

I do not believe that his "ADD" is the root of all of his actions, but agree that it could be the root of some.

[loveregardless]

remember that the world is full of damaged people and that the wounded animal strikes out even at those who would help. Pain makes people defensive and there are few humans not suffering pain of some sort. It's the sad fact of the human condition.

 

Again, this is so true and it is something that I have known all along, that's why I hold back what used to be a terrible anger and hostility problem of my own, instead of conveying unto them the same pain and sadness that they convey unto me. I just have no skills at maintaining a happy medium...I'm either very angry, hostile, intimidating and sharp, or I'm an intensely sensitive cry baby pushover, which is most if not all of everything I've ever shown here. It's just too terrible to be that angry, it's frightening to hold that much hate and hostility in you and then have it explode with such fury...I used to have terrible episodes. Fits of rage where I would throw things, scream, fight, punch, kick....just explode with anger and frustration, and then collapse in a pit of despair and depression, sobbing so hysterically that I couldn't breathe. Mostly out of fear of my own potential to be than angry, and secondly out of such despair, and believe it or not, terrible heart breaking sympathy for those I had just exploded upon. It was like watching myself from the inside out, never having any say in the outcome of the episode, only knowing that when it was all over that my true self, my compassionate and loving self, would be left with the wreckage and pain I had put others through. It was a terrible time in my life and I fight everyday to insure that I never return to that state of being. That was an example of the most extreme cases, but there were always smaller incidents, less violent, and yet just as angry.

 

Then there is the present day "me". I have been through so many different medications, therapists, classes, treatments, etc. etc. ...and read so much information on my own, that my counseling skills are rather fair, and I indeed counsel myself on a daily basis; and often have the slightest potential to help others as well. My original intent was to be a pyschologist after all. And being that I am a person with strong spiritual convictions and so much love and caring in my heart, as I have always been even before and during my attempts at understanding and being diagnosed, I would rather stay insulted and wounded than ever be a part of "the problem" again. Even when I was a part of the problem it was only ever, as you said, my own wounds and pain being conveyed in response. I really just don't have a mean bone in my body...but my emotions definitely get the better of me sometimes. What's worse is that I really am far to intelligent for my own good, and have always understood things and felt things far beyond what others realize or understand themselves. I think this was also a constributing factor to my terrible episodes before...it was pent up frustration from my childhood, from being the outcast, the weirdo, the gifted freak, the nerd, the trouble maker, the hyper kid, the one who always should have known better, etc. etc. I just don't understand why people don't care as much as I do...and I know that Elmo has fought me about this on at least two occasions, but I have been told on so many occasions I've lost count, that people just don't care. They just don't want to talk about certain things, they don't want to know certain things, they don't want to understand certain things, they don't want to think about certain things, I hear this every day of my life. And I just don't understand it. Because I don't think I'm any better than anyone and it hurts me to have my intentions and words misconstrued to make it appear that way. I don't think I know everything, I mean, seriously, all I ever tell people to do is read and research for themselves because there is so much to know and learn, not so that they can "be as smart as me" or anything ridiculous like that, but just so that they can be privellaged to the same free information as I have found so much use and joy in. I am trying to share with them not insult them! And it's not like I don't continue to do what I suggest to others. I don't think the sum of all knowledge has been obtained at 19 years old, and I don't plan on thinking that it has been at 80 years old, I can't remember a time in my life when I have ever stopped thirsting for knowledge and understanding, and why on earth would I ever want to?

 

Anyway, I just wanted to clarify all of that for the record I suppose, since people seem to have such a squed image of me.

 

I have found a lot of truth and understanding in your simple yet honest words. And you are certainly right about the fact that my emotions often don't allow me to gain the proper perspective on certain situations. I suppose that makes me pretty similar to my attackers after all. Human suffering indeed. You are very wise Moi. Thank you. Thank you very very much.

 

If you were a tree, I'd hug you.

[Bubbles]

Hello Guys!

 

Wow......this is a great thread for me!

 

My son is ADD and we have have him on the drug called Dexadrine. I have gone to many web-site searching for help in educating myself but have not found one that speaks english.

 

My question is this: Are you familiar with Dexadrine? and what are the differences between a stimulant and a non-stimulant? My poor little guy has loss of appetite and has trouble going to sleep. The doctor is trying to tell me that Dexadrine is a non-addicticve drug but yet freaks out when I tell him that we missed a pill and tells me that I am in danger of throwing my son's system "right off" to me?......that's a controversy all on it's own.

 

If a drug is non-addidictive then why does he have to have it in his system all the time or else it won't work? Please help me. I have tried to contact by e-mail a number of different agencies who claim to be knowledgeable and have never once received an answer.

 

I will bookmark the above mentioned web-sites and look into them this after-noon.

 

Bubbles

[loveregardless]

Psychiatric medications alter the chemicals in the brain, therefore, addictive or not, when you miss a dose, it sets his system "off" balance. He way not suffer from actual withdrawel, but his brain chemicals will still be altered and his behavior will be affected. Even when switching or stopping medications you must slowly ween the body off of one and slowly reintroduce the other. That's the most of help that I can be. I'm not on meds and I'm the wrong person to talk to about them cus I'm not exactly their biggest fan...but Moi knows a lot about them and I'm sure she has something helpful to say.

 

BTW, have you ever heard of the indigo children phenomenon? I'm not saying that is the case with your son, he may really be ADD and require medications(I know your gonna pick up on that one Moi) but it's just a suggestion that you look into it, even if only for entertainment purposes. See look, that last part negates me from having to be in trouble for suggesting it. I didn't say anything definite or even bad about meds...just making suggestions.

 

Right, or you'll "spazz out" from the "psychotic meds"

[tiki]

Originally posted by Bubbles

If a drug is non-addidictive then why does he have to have it in his system all the time or else it won't work? Please help me. I have tried to contact by e-mail a number of different agencies who claim to be knowledgeable and have never once received an answer.

 

Hey Bubbles....I think I can help you with this one. Just because it's not addictive doesn't mean that your body won't spaz out when you quit taking it. For instance, a medrol dose pack, you take 7 pills the first day, 6 the 2nd day, 5 the third...and so on until you're done with the pack. If you discontinue the medrol dose pack after taking 7 pills on the 1st day or 6 on the 2nd, it sends your body into shock. It can actually kill you. Your body gets adjusted to the medication (steroids - in this case) and you wean yourself off. Now everyone knows that a medrol dose pack isn't addictive or habit forming, it's a steroid medication. But it can hurt your body if you quit taking abruptly. So can a lot of other meds, think of anti-depressants and psychotic meds....you've got to wean yourself off. Hope that shed some light.

[Stone]

I am ADHD and actually know little about it, I just know my own experiences and how I and my son cope with it. My son as well as me are on non stimulant witch means it is non addictive. We are not addicted to the meds we just them preform better when we are on them and if you miss a couple days it takes awhile for the meds to work again witch can cause fatiue, loss of appitite, poor grades ect. the first couple weeks there is an "adjustment peirod" where your body gets used to the drug. My personal experience has been wonderful, my son is very young so it is hard to tell how it is working but I would keep him on them if he is of school age so he preorms better and can concentrate.

[Queen B]

Okay from these two websites about medication for ADD it seems like thy're saying dexedrine is more addictive...look at the huge warning up top for dexedrine...

 

Dexedrine: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/dextroamphetamine.htm

Methylphenidate (Ritalin): http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/methphen.htm

 

Of course I'm no pharmacist but maybe you can talk to one close by where you live?

 

Anyway, you guys are rtight on about the phyciatric medications...took an antidepressant called Celexa for a while...I was 19 and not informed about these kinds of drugs and my "lovely" doctor forgot tot tell me to gradually decrease the dose...after about a day and a half of going off cold turkey I was noxious, dizzy and I couldn't concentrate even had to take time off work!!! Went back to the doctor, got back on and decreased the dose gradually and there was no problem...This was an incredibly terrible experience ans an adult, can't imagine how much worse it could be for a child.

 

Of course maybe your Doctor is also freaking out because children with ADD need structure and routine...skipping doses sometimes might affect that type of thing.

[Bubbles]

Thank you guys for helping me with this. So far (as you can tell) all I've had to go on was pretty much what the doctor would tell me and I'm not saying that I was not given the truth I am simply saying that I require additional information that the doctor does not have time to give me verbally. So, I would listen to what was being said, go home and think about it for a few days and then I have questions and no-one to turn to and that's very frustrating because as a parent you want to make sure that what you are doing for your child is going to assist and not hinder them in any way.

 

My son himself acknowledes the difference in his own abilities when he is "on" the medication and that very encouraging. I just really, really get worried when he doesn't feel like eating and he cannot get to sleep before 1:00 in the morning. That's not right for an 11 year old child.

 

We took him off the medication before summer time just to see how he would be "on his own" and he failed miserably but......he was finally getting a good nights sleep and managed to put on a few pounds. Now he's back on the medication, his attitude is much better but then he's not sleeping properly and loosing weight again.

 

Goodness sakes alive.....I'm at work and I could just break down in tears at my desk.

 

Bubbles

[Elmo]

Originally posted by tiki

Moi, at some point, he has to take responsibility for himself. My brother is old enough to know that if he needs medication for a condition, that he should take it. At 25, I hardly find that it's his mommy's job to make sure that he's taking his medication daily. When is he held accountable for his own actions? Maybe THAT's the problem, that no one has held him accountable for his actions because they think he may have ADD.

 

Umpteen years ago (when he was possible ADDish), people weren't even for sure it was a true condition. Kind of like Fibromyalgia. The doctors couldn't pinpoint what was going on. And ADD is very overly diagnosed.

 

My job in life is not to baby my brother, but to create and live a life all my own. I've done that. I still talk to my brother and spend time with him, I just do not agree with his decisions. He doesn't agree with them either. He looks back at his life and wants to make a change, but never does.

 

I will not hold ADD accountable for drug trafficking, extensive drug use, theft, and burglary...not to mention others. I hold my brother accountable for that. After all, if he is that "whacked out" with ADD so much that it makes him do those things, he needs to be admitted to a mental facility and kept on lock down. But he did this, he takes accountablility for his actions. To fall back on ADD is an excuse, a cop out. Even he knows that and he's supposedly been diagnosed with it. ADD doesn't pay his jail bondsmen. He does.

 

 

 

Not all disorders are treatable. Your conclusion stems from ignorance. That's your loss.

 

 

Tiki...I always appreciate your posts. Very thoughtful.

 

I had an important person in my life that was out of control. It was so horrid.

 

You are on the right tract. It is very hard.

[tiki]

Thanks elmo. I hope I haven't played an instrumental part in sabotaging your other thread.

[Stone]

Bubbles

 

how long has he been on meds? Have you asked your doctor about Straterra? Look it up online I love it. I refused to give my son dexitrine untill the doc put him on sterattera and he's fine.

 

ADHD shouldn't be looked at as an illness be glad that there is medication available that can assist people with it. Just make sure your son is on the right medication and let him know that there is nothing wrong with him, he just needs a little "pick me up" to get thru the day so he can reach is dreams and fufill his goals. Without the medication it is hard to acheive.

[Elmo]

Originally posted by Bubbles

Hello Guys!

 

Wow......this is a great thread for me!

 

My son is ADD and we have have him on the drug called Dexadrine. I have gone to many web-site searching for help in educating myself but have not found one that speaks english.

 

My question is this: Are you familiar with Dexadrine? and what are the differences between a stimulant and a non-stimulant? My poor little guy has loss of appetite and has trouble going to sleep. The doctor is trying to tell me that Dexadrine is a non-addicticve drug but yet freaks out when I tell him that we missed a pill and tells me that I am in danger of throwing my son's system "right off" to me?......that's a controversy all on it's own.

 

If a drug is non-addidictive then why does he have to have it in his system all the time or else it won't work? Please help me. I have tried to contact by e-mail a number of different agencies who claim to be knowledgeable and have never once received an answer.

 

I will bookmark the above mentioned web-sites and look into them this after-noon.

 

Bubbles

 

Hey Bubbles...

 

You sound like a good Mom....

 

I'll just give you my take on this. Dexadrine is an OLD drug from the late '50's - '60's. It is speed.

 

I'm not saying it won't help your child. If you trust your DR. then trust him.

 

Still, Dexadrine was called Dexie's in the drug culture of the late '60's and '70's.

 

It makes EVERYONE more on task.

 

So....if you trust your Dr., you are probably on the right track.

 

Really hope things go well for you.

[Stone]

Originally posted by Elmo

 

 

 

 

It makes EVERYONE more on task.

 

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Oh so true, college kids used to take this to cram for big exams

[Bubbles]

So if you are correct......my son is on speed? Holy $hit!

 

Thanks for the name of that other drug Straterra. I am NOT a happy camper right now. I will be speaking with my Dr. and he will have some explaning to do.

 

Dammitt......now I know why the kid can't sleep or eat! Some-one's head is going to roll over this!

 

Thank you again all of you! NOW I am armed with some information!!!

 

 

Bubbles