European women vs American women in dating

[Locust]

I'm 27 year old guy who never dated but I keep hearing European women are better to date than Americans because they are approachable, don't have a resistance vibe, not worried about creepiness, have open mind and very friendly. I never dated either so I cannot make that call but I would like to get input from everyone. They also say European women as well as Russian are the best looking in the world. And they are just easier to date. What do you think of this?

[johan]

In my experience personalities are a much bigger factor in how you'll relate to a girl than cultural differences. And you'll find the mix of personalities the same wherever you go. There are princesses and gold-diggers and traditional ones who want families and some who don't and really sweet generous caring women in about the same proportions.

 

One factor that makes guys think these things is the fact that Europeans live in a walking/bicycling/mass transit culture that keeps them thinner. So the proportion of attractive women is higher, and so the number of attractive women to talk to and get to know is higher.

 

Also the fact that you're American makes them curious about you. Many Europeans rarely get the chance to speak English to people and are excited to try it out, especially when they run across an American.

 

The converse is just as true: If you were Spanish or French and paid a visit to the US, you'd think American women were the most wonderful, approachable women on Earth. They aren't any different from women anywhere else. You're the one who is different.

[Taramere]

What do you think of this?

 

I think you might be falling into the trip of believing there's some Utopia out there where women will be absolutely everything you could possibly dream of. You'll no doubt get quite a few responses from men who have travelled to a few places and therefore present themselves as experts on geographical variations of the female species - but that usually denotes a fairly shallow, short term experience and understanding of other cultures and the people in them.

 

Who you are, how you present yourself and how you treat others will in most cases play far more of a role than geographical variations do in terms of the response you get from other people. Unless you personally are very European (or culturally connected to whichever other region you think contains the "best" women) in your outlook and attitudes then you're probably going to grow more and more disillusioned by your perfect foreign woman - simply because as time goes by, she'll absorb more of your beliefs, outlook and cultural values. In short, under the influence of you - an American man - she will become an American woman.

 

Which is great if you love and appreciate not only your culture but what it inspires people of both genders to be. If you don't, then you're a bit stuck. If you want a European woman (whatever that means, given the many different cultures and ethnicities that exist within Europe) then you'll have to be more European yourself. If you don't like the idea of that, then you should probably accept that whatever nationality of woman you marry she will ultimately become an American woman simply as a result of dealing regularly with you - an American man.

 

Is that a good or a bad thing? I personally don't believe in these national stereotypes. I think that within every community there is major diversity - but if you're somebody who does subscribe to those stereotypes, and who does have a prejudice against women from your own culture, I think you're probably going to face a lot of frustration in life. Regardless who you pair up with. Because ultimately the things you're rejecting in others are a huge part of who you are. Those elements, as part of you, will accompany you wherever you go and influence whoever you end up with. Probably best to either learn to love them or focus on changing yourself dramatically.

Edited September 7, 2013 by Taramere

[carhill]

What do you think of this?

 

I still laugh about the two ladies from different parts of Ukraine that I dated. Totally different cultural demographics, if one knows Ukraine, but totally the same when they'd slap me and order me out of their kitchen Had a lot of fun during those couple of years. This wasn't long after perestroika so the dating cultures likely have changed somewhat since that time. One of the ladies hated the Soviet Union and was glad to see it go and the other loved it and missed it greatly. With men, though, the same; direct, feminine, sexual and stay out of their kitchen! Interestingly, when I dated them, one was 46 and a grandmother and the other 29 and childless. Good luck.

[MrTurk]

That's what a lot of guys here remind me of when they post their nonsense about how "all American women are self entitled, stuck up, have princess complexes and they're all bitches." It's painfully obvious that they've been rejected over and over and over, and like the fox, have walked away dejected, claiming that all American women are soul-sucking she devils and "they didn't want them, anyway."

 

But boy howdy, those European babes are all just anxiously awaiting their arrival with open arms, yes sir! It's rumored that they're all hanging out at the airport or the shipping ports, just waiting for the American guys to arrive!

 

:D:D

 

 

Its not nonsense. Its true. And the women on this forum will instantly try to bash and make fun of anyone that brings up the topic.....to quickly discredit them.

 

I've talked with Foreign women before, and many of them are different than American women. Yes there will still be the snobs and other groups here and there. But in general, you will find that more European women as a whole are approachable and open to conversation than the same number of American women in general.

 

Let me give an example for those that cant figure this out.

 

Tracy just moved to Palm Springs....she came from a small midwestern town. Her first day of school.....she is open and friendly with everyone. She becomes friends with a group of popular girls. Her new friends begin to educate her on the different cliques in the school.....and which ones are cool and which ones are not. Tracy doesnt understand this, because she enjoys talking to everyone.....whereas the popular girls pick and choose who is worth talking to.

 

THAT is a broad example of the difference between an American women, and how she views the dating pool of men.....vs a European woman here in the states, and her view of men.

 

Most American women have a prejudice(consciously and subconsciously) about the different "cliques" of men, that European women know nothing about. American women tend to filter out this and that type of guy.....whereas the European(and other foreign) woman will interact with you, based on you and your personality alone.

 

 

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[Pompeii]

From what I've heard from my friends who studied abroad for several months was that European women on average are easier to talk to, more personable, better looking, and had a great sense of awareness than the average American woman. I'll find out myself in a couple days, as I will be staying in Europe for the next couple of months.

 

 

That's what a lot of guys here remind me of when they post their nonsense about how "all American women are self entitled, stuck up, have princess complexes and they're all bitches." It's painfully obvious that they've been rejected over and over and over, and like the fox, have walked away dejected, claiming that all American women are soul-sucking she devils and "they didn't want them, anyway."

 

But boy howdy, those European babes are all just anxiously awaiting their arrival with open arms, yes sir! It's rumored that they're all hanging out at the airport or the shipping ports, just waiting for the American guys to arrive!

 

Women always return to the "apple on the tree" fallacy in response to them or their friends not getting dates when it reality it just isn't true. Ego-preservation mechanism. I have never seen or heard of women disrespecting men like they do in the US. It happens in Europe, but definitely not on as grand a scale. A lot of women in America simply have zero respect for men.

Edited September 7, 2013 by Pompeii

[NXS]

OP if you're looking for a more traditional woman then you would be better looking for an Eastern European, not saying they're all more traditional just in general. These would be from the Baltic countries down to Romania and Bulgaria.

[Imported]

I have only gone out with "European" women outside of Europe. I thought they were easier than American girls. But as another poster said, maybe my being different than their norm made them easier and more open. Also, the American girls I met outside of America were also easier than American girls.....in America.

 

How attractive they are? Look, there are some really attractive girls from all over the world. I only go for really attractive looking girls. So I'd have to say the really attractive American girls are as attractive as the really attractive European girls.

[Locust]

I met this guy at a local coffee shop here in San Francisco and he told me he was married to an American woman once and he said she divorced him because he was laid off from his job, and said he was looking for another job as best as he could. Then he met a Ukrainian woman and when he got back on his feet he went to go see her. Soon they got engaged and now married. He said she is the best wife ever and so easy going. When he married her he was living with his mother at the time because the divorce was killing him financially. He said was a bit worried how she would react when he was living at home, and he told me was shocked that she had no problem with him living at home. They got a house in Northern, CA and living good. He said if that was American woman found out he was living at home she would ran off and judged him. I hear lot of men said if you live at home in America dating will be very hard because your judged.

 

Divorced over a jobless is stupid. I thought in the vows it was "through rich or poor" I guess that does not exist in America. So is marriage in America based on finance? In America, maybe wedding vows should be "only if you stay financially stable I will marry you for ever."

Edited September 7, 2013 by Locust

[Pompeii]

I do not see the harm in a cultural comparison thread. Cultural commentators have been doing this sort of thing for ages. If I wanted to get a big audience for my "opinions", I would go start a religion. I am also sure that I have created more introspective and thought-provoking commentary in my 5 (even less) months of being on this site than a lot of people have in years. I have family members that live in the UK who have lived in America before. I remember talking to my cousin and asking him: "so what are UK girls like". I remember him saying: "Oh dude, they're just like American girls except they put out way easier and smoke and drink a lot more. Aaron (his younger brother) knows a lot of people who started having sex at 12, 13 years old." The UK is also rated one of the most promiscuous countries in the entire world.

 

If someone came on here and said American men were nothing but "slobs, losers, and fatties", I wouldn't care because that's not me and two because I don't take anything personally. If someone wants to aim a missile in my direction, I'll just step out of the way.

 

I'm not going to not say certain things simply because I want to be PC. That's not how I operate.

 

I met this guy at a local coffee shop here in San Francisco and he told me he was married to an American woman once and he said she divorced him because he was laid off from his job, and said he was looking for another job as best as he could. Then he met a Ukrainian woman and when he got back on his feet he went to go see her. Soon they got engaged and now married. He said she is the best wife ever and so easy going. When he married her he was living with his mother at the time because the divorce was killing him financially. He said was a bit worried how she would react when he was living at home, and he told me was shocked that she had no problem with him living at home. They got a house in Northern, CA and living good. He said if that was American woman found out he was living at home she would ran off and judged him. I hear lot of men said if you live at home in America dating will be very hard because your judged.

 

Divorced over a jobless is stupid. I thought in the vows it was "through rich or poor" I guess that does not exist in America. So is marriage in America based on finance? In America, maybe wedding vows should be "only if you stay financially stable I will marry you for ever."

 

Some of the most financially stable people I've ever met stayed in their parent's homes for quite some time before getting off the of ground. The US along with other anglicized countries are one of the only places where people (especially men) are criticized for staying at home. Most people stay in their family's home until it's time to get married. Unfortunately, that American bull**** of kicking the kids out of the house as soon as possible is slowly spreading to other countries. Add that to the list of not having a car, not making X amount of money a year, etc. Some women will even cross you off the list if you live with roommates.

 

My parents stuck together through thick and thin while their friends' world was crumbling down around them. I do not expect to have the same marriage like my parents did, so I am skipping it altogether. By the time we are in our 80s, the average lifespan of a human being is expected to be 120-something years old. Do you honestly expect people to stay together for 90 years when even 10 is too much?

Edited September 7, 2013 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[NXS]

I've been to many of the countries that I listed (though not Ireland or Scotland...just going by what I heard on those).

 

I spent a good amount of time in Italy and I disagree with you there. Sure, in the bigger cities like Rome, it's more difficult. In Venice, there wasn't a nightlife at all really. So it was difficult to meet girls in general.

 

Also, guys are VERY aggressive in Italy. So you really have to be the "charming foreigner" to get anywhere.

 

I've found that southern Italy (ie: Sicily) was an easier place to meet girls. They are sweet and feminine down there, and quite attractive.

 

As far as France, I didn't spend a whole lot of time there, but I saw huge variations. Some sweet girls, some batsh*t crazy girls. Again, I had a limited sample in that country.

 

I'm surprised you added Germany to your list, have to say I really like German women and never had much problems approaching them. Actually the first time I went there (Berlin) there were several occasions the women were literally staring at me and it was very easy to approach them. There accent also drives me crazy, which helps, and I really like the way they dress and there sense of humor.

[NXS]

Yeah, I was a bit back and forth with Germany.

 

I spent some time there and had success with women, but many of my friends that I met there that were socially awkward had the same issues that they had back at home (believe it or not, I've been to countries where guys will still get girls, despite being socially awkward).

 

If you are one of the races that are often discriminated against in the US, then you will CLEAN UP in Germany and you will get quality girls. I didn't mention this before because I know that it is a bit of a sensitive subject.

 

But, yes, Germany is certainly a better option than the other places that I listed with it.

 

Yes you're probably right about the socially awkward point, if the OP has problems approaching women then he's not going to do any better in most European countries. He should probably head off to Asia to start his training

[MrCastle]

If you are unsuccessful with women, there are way better countries to go than Europe. But since you mentioned Europe, here's my experiences:

 

If you have difficulty getting laid in the US, stay away from the UK, Germany, Ireland, Scotland, and the Scandinavian countries (Finland, Sweden, etc). I know you didn't mention this area, but also stay away from Australia and New Zealand. Girls in these countries are more or less the same as girls in the US. Also, I'm not sure where you heard that women in these countries are more attractive than the ones in the US. This is false, from my observation (although, there is way less obesity).

 

You might find success in Italy and France. Women tend to be sweeter and more feminine there from my experience. But I would learn the language if I were you. Italian women (from Italy) are very attractive, imo.

 

As far as Russia goes, I've never been there. But I've heard from close friends that the women are VERY attractive and quite feminine. However, many scams come from Russia. If you are inexperienced with women, this may not be the best place to gain your experience.

 

So, what other countries are left on the globe? Because it looks like most or all of the ones you mentioned are dead ends.

[Pompeii]

Asia, Latin America, other Eastern European countries. Carhill mentioned Ukraine.

 

Also, a sleeper that not many people know about is Israel. I recently came back from there. The girls there are VERY attractive (jaw-dropping, in some cases) and many are very sweet and feminine. Though, it is in the middle of the desert, which I didn't like much.

 

Good luck with that. Jews tend to be very clannish and if you aren't from the country or aren't steeped in the Jewish religion, then you aren't getting very far. Though I do know of some guys that had their way with Jewish girls without their parents knowing. Then again, these Jewish girls just acted like your typical white girl.

[Pompeii]

I'm from England, and many of us are not "trash"

 

There's a difference between "trash" and "trashy". One is an adjective, the other is a noun. One is a descriptor, the other is an inescapable state of being.

 

Are you talking about girls from Israel that live in Israel? Or just Jews?

 

I mentioned Israel because I had a lot of success there, despite being there only for a few weeks. I think that this is a good place where you can find quality girls. There are many people there that aren't super religious.

 

I've never been to Israel but I thought that most people there are Jewish or of Jewish lineage. I know a lot of people who self-identify as Jews but are "secular" in their beliefs. I know some people who have been to Israel and they all come back saying the girls are top notch.

[Anela]

There's a difference between "trash" and "trashy". One is an adjective, the other is a noun. One is a descriptor, the other is an inescapable state of being.

 

Thank you for the correction of my grammar. It doesn't change the fact that women from several countries, were referred to in less-than-polite terms. This is the definition of "slagged off."

[Pompeii]

Thank you for the correction of my grammar. It doesn't change the fact that women from several countries, were referred to in less-than-polite terms.

 

Does it matter?

 

I also see my post on describing the women of different countries has been deleted... LAME.

Edited September 9, 2013 by Pompeii

[William]

Is this still going on? Stow it, or be gone. Describing groups of men or women in derogatory terms, whether from LoveShack or any country/place on this earth, is contradictory to the spirit and intent of this forum. That goes for both male and female posters here. And dispense with the grammar lessons. Do it offline.

 

If you have stories to share about dating European and American women and any comparisons drawn, those are the topic of the thread. Thanks.