Moose Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by ConfusedInOC Why don't people lean on God to help them STOP from committing adultery in the first place....thus avoiding the inherent problems. Is that judging? Seems more like common sense to me. The majority of people in our modern day society believes that if we Christians share the word with them, we are judges of their character. Truth of the matter is......we are no better. If not worse in some ways......many ways. Here's the thing though. The title of this thread is: "Dear god in heaven help me please." The first thing I noticed was it sounded like the beginning of someone's prayer. The second thing I noticed, "g-o-d", is used as a word here instead of THE name of, "God", capitalized. Lastly, we, (confusedinoc and I), are attacked for posting in here for someone crying who we believed was actually calling on God's name. Obviously.....noone on this thread besides confusedinoc and myself would respond in kind.....to the misuse of our God's name. This may not have anything to do with the advice that this person is seeking, so this post may be deleted, so I think I'll start another thread elsewhere.......it is a subject worth everyone's thoughts..... Link to post Share on other sites
ConfusedInOC Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I am not perfect. I am not even the best Christian. I try not to judge, but I do have a habit of sometimes pointing out the obvious. In her case "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Don't commit adultery and you won't have these problems. I don't think that was preaching as much as it was factual information. Nothing good has ever come of affairs. It wrecks homes and lives. Not to mention the damage it causes to kids. Good topic, Moose. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 What is it you're asking? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by dyermaker What is it you're asking? Why do some people use God's name so laxed? So what if they may not believe in Him, but how about the respect of others that do? You wouldn't light up a cigarette in a room full of non smokers...... Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Are you for real? It's just a word. People use it all of the time in nonreligious contexts. You wouldn't ask for the smoking bus if you didn't like the smell of cigarettes. The idea that it's disresepctful to say "god" in the presence, physical or virtual, of those who use the word for religious worship is pretty self-important. Link to post Share on other sites
HokeyReligions Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 When you go into a room you can tell that no one is smoking, and nowadays there is a sign that says No Smoking. There are no signs or ways to tell if everyone around you is Christian or will be offended by language. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by HokeyReligions When you go into a room you can tell that no one is smoking, and nowadays there is a sign that says No Smoking. There are no signs or ways to tell if everyone around you is Christian or will be offended by language. Then why not exclude it from your vocabulary totally since chances are you'll offend someone? Link to post Share on other sites
HokeyReligions Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by Moose Then why not exclude it from your vocabulary totally since chances are you'll offend someone? What other words should be excluded from vocabulary then? We'd end up grunting like cavemen if we eliminated all words and phrases that were offensive to some people. If a person is a Christian and believes that the word/name God or Jesus should not be said in vain, then they don't say it. But why should those who do not believe or care about using the words God or Jesus in context other than prayer have to refrain? As much as I respect other people's religious beliefs, I'm not going to bow down to their way and live according to their rules, besides - which religion would I choose! Link to post Share on other sites
ConfusedInOC Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 It's just a matter of being respectful, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites
Pocky Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 And this is one of the reasons why Christianity gets such a bad name... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 True, and I realize there's no way folk would care enough to refrain from using it.....and that's fine. My point is though, when confusedinoc and I replied to a certain thread, we were both looked at like religious fanatics, ( maybe I am one but.... ), and it was only because of the way this person began the thread. It's not our fault if we feel the need to respond to someone calling out to God. Even if this person could care less to employ His help. Then, to top it off, we get a lot of flack because, WE, Christians are told we have to take a sentence such as, "Dear god in heaven", and not take it as a plea....but as a figure of speech......this is what it's coming down to. It's the same as taking Christ out of Christmas. Again, I know it's a pipe dream to wake up to a world that respects God for who He is and what He's done, but when you're in the presence of Christians, and are aware of their presence, do you refrain from using God's name as a word? Or as a figure of speech? It's only common courtesy, at least, that's what I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by Pocky And this is one of the reasons why Christianity gets such a bad name... What do you mean by that Pocky? Link to post Share on other sites
savethedrama4allama Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I would think that God likes the free publicity. I agree with Hokey 100%. Link to post Share on other sites
heartburn Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 First of all GOD is a title. The jews replaced God's real name with the words because of a jewish superstition. They felt his name was too sacred and did not want people to announce it incorrectly. So they start using GOD. Research this fact. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by heartburn First of all GOD is a title. The jews replaced God's real name with the words because of a jewish superstition. They felt his name was too sacred and did not want people to announce it incorrectly. So they start using GOD. Research this fact. What an eye opener....... Link to post Share on other sites
Pocky Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Just because you've adopted the word God to represent a part of your religion, it doesn't mean you have exclusive rights on its use. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by Pocky Just because you've adopted the word God to represent a part of your religion, it doesn't mean you have exclusive rights on its use. No kidding Pocky. Never said I did. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Moose Then why not exclude it from your vocabulary totally since chances are you'll offend someone? I'm somewhat offended that this thread even exists. Originally posted by Moose It's not our fault if we feel the need to respond to someone calling out to God. Even if this person could care less to employ His help. You thought it was a religious usage, and you were mistaken. Perhaps it's best that when you converse in English, you understand the common social usages of words, so that you can avoid being mistaken in the future. Then, to top it off, we get a lot of flack because, WE, Christians are told we have to take a sentence such as, "Dear god in heaven", and not take it as a plea....but as a figure of speech......this is what it's coming down to. It's the same as taking Christ out of Christmas. It *is* a figure of speech--you can't change that. Again, if you continue to treat the world as your Christian oyster, you're going to get your fingers snapped a few times by people who've had enough of the propheteering business. Again, I know it's a pipe dream to wake up to a world that respects God for who He is and what He's done, but when you're in the presence of Christians, and are aware of their presence, do you refrain from using God's name as a word? Or as a figure of speech? It's only common courtesy, at least, that's what I think. The word "god" isn't a Christian word. Originally posted by heartburn First of all GOD is a title. The jews replaced God's real name with the words because of a jewish superstition. They felt his name was too sacred and did not want people to announce it incorrectly. So they start using GOD. Research this fact. The Jews have nothing to do with it. They spoke Hebrew, we speak English, and the word "GOD" doesn't belong to any specific religous group. This is the trouble with Modern Evangelical Christianity--They truly think they're entitled to every word they've ever used in their traditions. You don't own the word "god", you don't own the word "marriage", you don't even own the word "Christian". The poster in question used "god" in an acceptable way, and you chose to be offended. That's your choice, but I don't think your choice should be respected, I think it should be laughed at--to discourage other people from making the same choice. Link to post Share on other sites
shadis Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Every Christian I have met has come off as a religious fanatic to me. Maybe it is the way Christians approach their religion, or the way in which they believe they must preach to others. Some people actually do NOT want to hear that sort of thing, and some people can find it rather offensive. Some may think along these lines: If I need to respect someone's Christianity, why then cannot that Christian respect my own religious views? As far as God/god is concerned, it has become a common expression, often connected with foul language. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 You know, you've, (Dyer), been an exciting character since I've been here. The way you think and act reflects to me how the majority of folk your age are probably going to view, and take Christianity from here on out. It's a revelation to me how the Scriptures not only predicted this was going to happen, but also the consequences for it. It's exciting!! In your last post, had anyone else read it, without knowing your spiritual preferences would probably come to the conclusion that you're some kind of Christian basher....... I think it should be laughed at--to discourage other people from making the same choice. Sure.....turn others away from the truth why don't you........ Link to post Share on other sites
Pocky Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Sure.....turn others away from the truth why don't you........ What truth, Moose? That since you're a Christian, you and only other Christian's are allowed to determine how the word God or god is used and when it is/isn't offensive? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Pocky What truth, Moose? That since you're a Christian, you and only other Christian's are allowed to determine how the word God or god is used and when it is/isn't offensive? Nah, I'm not talking about the use of the word, or name of God at all. People could take his last comment as a reason to steer clear of the entire message of truth. Link to post Share on other sites
ConfusedInOC Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Moose Nah, I'm not talking about the use of the word, or name of God at all. People could take his last comment as a reason to steer clear of the entire message of truth. I think the context in which she used it made me scratch my head. I'll say it again: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." You won't need to call the Lord's name in vain of you're following His will to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by Moose You know, you've, (Dyer), been an exciting character since I've been here. The way you think and act reflects to me how the majority of folk your age are probably going to view, and take Christianity from here on out. I doubt it. People are too blinded by fundamentalism, I'm actually quite a minority. I think the way I view Christianity is smart, and smart people share my view. Smart people (generalizing, of course) tend to have less children, whereas less smart people may not know how children are prevented. I think it's only a matter of time before my religious views die off entirely. In your last post, had anyone else read it, without knowing your spiritual preferences would probably come to the conclusion that you're some kind of Christian basher....... I don't like self-righteousness, I think it does more harm to Christianity than good. I think pretending that the word "god" belongs to Christianity, to the point where it offends you and you have to "defend" its usage, is sickeningly self-righteous. You and I have different definitions of "Christian"--and we've been down that road. If you isolate Christian Fundamentalism as the definition of "Christian"--then I'm quite a Christian-basher. I think it's a gross simplification of truth, and a stain on God's glory. Sure.....turn others away from the truth why don't you........ I'll be clearer: I think your entire rant is ridiculous, a spectacle--a mockery of religion, the antithesis of reverence, the perfect example of vanity in taking the lord's name. I think when you're being ridiculous, you should be ridiculed. It's not a matter of casting you out or excluding you, It's a matter of negative reinforcement for negative social behavior. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Smart people (generalizing, of course) tend to have less children, whereas less smart people may not know how children are prevented. I think it's only a matter of time before my religious views die off entirely. Is this a personal attack now? You do know I have 5 kids....right? Or are you implying that in the future that, "less smart people" will occupy the Earth, and the, "smart people", will die off...... along with your, ( or the "smart people's" ), views of religion? I would think that the, "smart people", would figure out survival before the, "less smart", people. This statement of yours doesn't make logical sense at all unless it is a personal attack. I don't like self-righteousness, I think it does more harm to Christianity than good. I think pretending that the word "god" belongs to Christianity, to the point where it offends you and you have to "defend" its usage, is sickeningly self-righteous. You and I have different definitions of "Christian"--and we've been down that road. If you isolate Christian Fundamentalism as the definition of "Christian"--then I'm quite a Christian-basher. I think it's a gross simplification of truth, and a stain on God's glory. and: I think your entire rant is ridiculous, a spectacle--a mockery of religion, the antithesis of reverence, the perfect example of vanity in taking the lord's name. I think when you're being ridiculous, you should be ridiculed. It's not a matter of casting you out or excluding you, It's a matter of negative reinforcement for negative social behavior. For someone who doesn't like self-righteousness, is it normal to display so much of it? Link to post Share on other sites
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