theone44 Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by RowanRavyn Oh, Alpha, Alpha, Alpha. It was just an example. I told you to feel free to reverse the roles. Hubby snaps at wife etc. It does happen in real life. Maybe not yours. You ask a relavent question why WOULD a person snap at another person when they have had a bad day. The real question is, how do you get an answer to that question? By saying "Don't be such a B1+@H!" "What is your freaking problem?" ?! Not if they want to show real concern. Certainly not if they want a healthy partnership. I am not talking about a puppy dog. I am talking about a person who knows how to use proper communications with another person. A person who knows how to say in a loving manner, "Hey don't take things out on me." I am merely expressing my opion, based on my personal experience just as you have. You got treated like crap obviously. So did I. You have chosen to "keep women" in their place by using domination and belittling, keeping them at a distance so that they can not hurt you. Working under the assumption that nice guys finish last, when the underlying thought process is that all women are 8!+ch@$. I have chosen to learn good communication skills and to remove myself from situations where I am not respected. I know from experience with men (eg my brothers, nephews and good friends). That not all men behave like jerks. We took two different paths. Women just don't respect coward and nice men. Men who is to nice them and have no backbone. Link to post Share on other sites
Author alphamale Posted December 20, 2004 Author Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by theone44 Women just don't respect coward and nice men. Men who is to nice them and have no backbone. You see, theone44, how crazy and emotional these females are getting on this subject. it has hit a major nerve with them. They are mad and emotional and this is how one creates attraction in women. You bringing out both their good and bad emotions. They become excited and their blood starts to boil. Link to post Share on other sites
RowanRavyn Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by EtErNaLlYCoNfUsEd OMG get over it. Its not all about games. If your wife comes home tired and bitchy you rub her feet and massage her because YOU LOVE HER! Thats it. No hidden intentions no mind games. UGH! What happened to just loving someone unconditionally? Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
ConfusedInOC Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by EtErNaLlYCoNfUsEd OMG get over it. Its not all about games. If your wife comes home tired and bitchy you rub her feet and massage her because YOU LOVE HER! Thats it. No hidden intentions no mind games. UGH! What happened to just loving someone unconditionally? You said it! I don't rub my g/f's shoulders and back for any other reason than I love her. I do everything that I do for her because I love her. Playing games is for losers. Link to post Share on other sites
RowanRavyn Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by ConfusedInOC You said it! I don't rub my g/f's shoulders and back for any other reason than I love her. I do everything that I do for her because I love her. Playing games is for losers. Hey OC thanks being an example here. Link to post Share on other sites
theone44 Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by alphamale You see, theone44, how crazy and emotional these females are getting on this subject. it has hit a major nerve with them. They are mad and emotional and this is how one creates attraction in women. You bringing out both their good and bad emotions. They become excited and their blood starts to boil. I agree alphamale these ladies are so emotional,cause they we are plucking their nerve too or they wouldn't be wasting their time on both of our forums. Link to post Share on other sites
Author alphamale Posted December 20, 2004 Author Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by ConfusedInOC You said it! I don't rub my g/f's shoulders and back for any other reason than I love her. I do everything that I do for her because I love her. Playing games is for losers. there is nothing wrong with being good to your woman and making her dinner and loving her and massaging her back and all that....JUST DO IT WHEN SHE IS BEING GOOD, NOT WHEN SHE IS BEING BAD! Link to post Share on other sites
EC Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Male get over yourself. I wouldn't have a guy like that not even for a one night stand. When we get mad we get mad..its not turning us on or starting any attraction. I dont know what girls you have dated in the past?? AND FYI its not only girls but guys that are responding and getting "emotional" over it. If you keep thinking the way you do you are going to end up all alone with no one to love you. Link to post Share on other sites
EC Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 there is nothing wrong with being good to your woman and making her dinner and loving her and massaging her back and all that....JUST DO IT WHEN SHE IS BEING GOOD, NOT WHEN SHE IS BEING BAD! CAPSLOCK letters someone is getting a little emotional. Link to post Share on other sites
RowanRavyn Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by alphamale there is nothing wrong with being good to your woman and making her dinner and loving her and massaging her back and all that....JUST DO IT WHEN SHE IS BEING GOOD, NOT WHEN SHE IS BEING BAD! You could also try a watergun squirt her on the nose when she misbehaves Link to post Share on other sites
theone44 Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by EtErNaLlYCoNfUsEd Male get over yourself. I wouldn't have a guy like that not even for a one night stand. When we get mad we get mad..its not turning us on or starting any attraction. I dont know what girls you have dated in the past?? AND FYI its not only girls but guys that are responding and getting "emotional" over it. If you keep thinking the way you do you are going to end up all alone with no one to love you. Wrong,a man should never reward a woman for her bad behavior Link to post Share on other sites
theone44 Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by EtErNaLlYCoNfUsEd Male get over yourself. I wouldn't have a guy like that not even for a one night stand. When we get mad we get mad..its not turning us on or starting any attraction. I dont know what girls you have dated in the past?? AND FYI its not only girls but guys that are responding and getting "emotional" over it. If you keep thinking the way you do you are going to end up all alone with no one to love you. the guys who are get emotional over this stuff...well i guess you know what type of men these are------- wimp and wussy men Link to post Share on other sites
ConfusedInOC Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Originally posted by theone44 the guys who are get emotional over this stuff...well i guess you know what type of men these are------- wimp and wussy men If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Cheap. Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 there is nothing wrong with being good to your woman and making her dinner and loving her and massaging her back and all that....JUST DO IT WHEN SHE IS BEING GOOD, NOT WHEN SHE IS BEING BAD! LMFAO! And visversa...Although then a good spanking could be in order! (Joking! LOL!) Well ROWANRAVYN, in my personal experience women do not respond to logical reason or communication or being nice to them. They respond to emotions and actions, both positive and negative. In your above example of the wife coming home pissed off in a bad mood and hubby says "oh, baby, why are you so mad? what's wrong? boo hoo.... let me make dinner and massage your tired feet". You know what this does??? It reinforces the wifes bad behavior. Now she knows that everytime she comes home pissed off her hubby will comfort her and take care of her and make dinner and give massage. So he is reiinforcing her misbehaving cause he is treating her good whenever she treats him bad or is pissed off. This is psychology 101. That is so true. Absolutely right. But, same goes when the husband comes home all pissed off and does the same thing as the wife 'looks' after him, cooks him dinner, gets him a drink and massages his shoulders (or whatever favour he pleases?LOL! Joke) doesn't this reinforce him to know he can act like this and get reaction from her as well? Just making a point. Goes both ways. Everyone has bad days and once in a while it is okay and understanding is to be in order...But NOT all the time, because once is a favour, twice is a coincidence and three times becomes a habit. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I agree alphamale these ladies are so emotional,cause they we are plucking their nerve too or they wouldn't be wasting their time on both of our forums. Oh ye gods! What a load of utter horsefeathers. You see some fool making idiotic statements and you try to point out that his assumptions are nuts because you think maybe you can help him get along better in his life and the twit says you're angry. Nobody's angry or upset. And if you think you've got respect for your views, you are sadly, badly, seriously mistaken. People are trying to educate you. It appears futile, however. what I mean was that you need to give her a dose of her own medicine. It is always fun to dole it out but when SHE in on the receiving end then she may wake up and modify her behavior. Doesn't work. It's a dumb idea. And you won't be able to cite one instance where it worked, because it never does. his is nice thinking for a sterile and ideally perfect world but in real life it does not work. so should we all play dead and take it when someone wrongs us? Here's what you should do. You should ensure that you have evidence that you have been wronged deliberately. This requires inquiry and fairness. If all you do is assume that you have been wronged deliberately, then you will be wrong most of the time, and someone who's chronically aggressive for no reason is highly unattractive. scott peterson killed Lacy and her unborn son so he should not be punished according to your "two wrongs do not make a right?" Bogus. This, BTW, is not logical reasoning. This is hyperbole. hey man, if someone dicks you over you have total right to retaliation. I'm sure you would respect a man who did not stand up for himself when he was wronged. Not if he didn't first make absolutely sure that it was a deliberate act. And that can't be done by assumption alone. Even then, it is much more respectable to take the high road. Revenge rarely works. Come on now,if someone hit you up side your. you wouldn't hit them back Why are you even in the company of people who hit you anyplace? Must be hanging with trailor trash. Now be honest. i want to hear from a woman point of few. Women don't play fair in them dating game stuff. Known as the game of love Are you married? Ever been in love with someone who loved you back? Thought not. Love isn't a 'game'. And you lie when you say you want honest opinions, because you've gotten several and all you do is ridicule them. And then if hubby plays nice puppy dog and becomes spineless jellyfish then he JUST MAY GET LAID?!? It's pathetic that you are unable to tell the difference between being intelligent, compassionate, and understanding and 'being a puppydog and spineless jellyfish'. Apparently, you are incapable of comprehending the finer human behaviours. In your world, it's either dog biscuits or a slap on the nose. No finesse. No deep thought. Just knee-jerk reaction. Well ROWANRAVYN, in my personal experience women do not respond to logical reason or communication or being nice to them. They respond to emotions and actions, both positive and negative. Sure they respond to logic. They have to see it to respond to it. In your above example of the wife coming home pissed off in a bad mood and hubby says "oh, baby, why are you so mad? what's wrong? boo hoo.... let me make dinner and massage your tired feet". You know what this does??? It reinforces the wifes bad behavior. Now she knows that everytime she comes home pissed off her hubby will comfort her and take care of her and make dinner and give massage. So he is reiinforcing her misbehaving cause he is treating her good whenever she treats him bad or is pissed off. This is psychology 101. Psychology 101 is where you learn about rats, Pavlov, and how to reward and punish. Behaviourism. However, behaviourism works with pets that can't reason, not with humans that can. People who think that they comprehend all of human behaviour because they took 101 are doomed to treat people like animals to the end of their days - with spectacular failures. Women just don't respect coward and nice men. Men who is to nice them and have no backbone Women don't respect people who believe something ridiculous despite evidence to the contrary. Many women have now told you you're dead wrong in this assumption. Yet you persist. You see, theone44, how crazy and emotional these females are getting on this subject. it has hit a major nerve with them. They are mad and emotional and this is how one creates attraction in women. You bringing out both their good and bad emotions. They become excited and their blood starts to boil. Nobody's mad. Nobody can believe that anybody in the 21st century still believes this stupid stuff and so we're trying to drag you into civilization. there is nothing wrong with being good to your woman and making her dinner and loving her and massaging her back and all that....JUST DO IT WHEN SHE IS BEING GOOD, NOT WHEN SHE IS BEING BAD! Again, people are not rats. Well, most people, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
EC Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 MOIMEME LMAO Link to post Share on other sites
Topaze Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 I am definitely not interested in or attracted to bad boy types. I am confused by the women who say that they are. It is as if they want to meet and date a bad boy and have him turn into a saint after marriage. The bad boy qualities that some women say they find attractive are the VERY qualities that women complain about after marriage. So nice guys, you won't finish last. Perhaps you should focus on women who don't fit the media stereotypes you know the long blonde hair, big boobs and the skimpy clothes. Look for attractive, intelligent, and caring women who carry themselves like ladies and you are more likely to meet with success. As for me, give me a gentleman ANY day. Link to post Share on other sites
WhereSpiritsRoam Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Most of my female friends say they want the nice guys but end up dating the bad boys anyway. I think being nice is fine in general, but you've got to have a rugged edge or two. Guys who are nice 24/7 get kicked around like a dejected soccer ball. Everything in moderation, they say. Link to post Share on other sites
Author alphamale Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 Originally posted by Topaze I am definitely not interested in or attracted to bad boy types. If I had a nickel for every time i've heard that from a female I'd have $100. Women's actions reveal what they are really attracted to , not their words or statements. The bad boy qualities that some women say they find attractive are the VERY qualities that women complain about after marriage. The very qualities that women find attractive in men are also the same qualities that drive them nuts. So nice guys, you won't finish last. Most of the time they will. Perhaps you should focus on women who don't fit the media stereotypes you know the long blonde hair, big boobs and the skimpy clothes. Look for attractive, intelligent, and caring women who carry themselves like ladies and you are more likely to meet with success. Women should also try to date men who are intelligent and caring but who may not be as "masculine" as other guys. As for me, give me a gentleman ANY day. A real man is a gentleman and an a-hole all wrapped in one package. An he knows when to be the gentleman and when to be the azzhole. Link to post Share on other sites
ubermann Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Yeah this takes me back to high-school. That was about the last time I remember discussing this. My buddies said that, no girl wants me cause I'm nice". In the end he had problems just like anyone else. Also my experience in highschool was that once you started dating someone it was then you heard of rumors that some girl liked you. That was frustrating, it was like where were you when I was single? I finally figured out that one though--confidence, when a person feels good and confident and like themselves, they radiate this positve energy that people need and are attracted to. So my theorem in late highschool was hey "we should pretend we are dating and then we can find a girl". I did notice that one mean fella got girls all the time. This nice guy mantra is a coping mechanism for bing rejected and not getting laid. It pissed us off that he was such an obviuos ass that he always had these beautiful girls. He spit chewing tobacco in their mouths, abandoned them on the side of roads on a date, and he forced them to crawl in the park like and animal as he spit on her, Dude had a constant stream of sex and girls. We were horny and wanted to respect women but felt we were loosing. It seems now that really he was just a big guy with nice muscles and once the girls knew him it was over. I saw him recently in a bar, he supposedly has a kid now but is with someone else that he cheats on. In my guard unit were girls who out right admitted they wanted guys who treated them like dirt and they were wondering why they were like that and called it a phase. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 If I had a nickel for every time i've heard that from a female I'd have $100. Women's actions reveal what they are really attracted to , not their words or statements You probably don't know any women who won't date bad guys. How would you? Link to post Share on other sites
Author alphamale Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 Originally posted by moimeme You probably don't know any women who won't date bad guys. How would you? I have many "nice girl" aquaintainces that are interested in dating me but I have no interest in them. They are too boring and nice and giving. Yes, I date and f*** mostly biotches and i readily admit that. But the nice girls are fun to keep around for an ego boost and to talk with once in a while. I just don't date the nice ones. Link to post Share on other sites
JackieQ Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 hmmm...talk about predictable. why did i know you'd say that alpha? Link to post Share on other sites
Linlin Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Alpha, How do you know that they are nice girls? They could appear that way on the outside but they could be a naughty girl behind closed doors. I personally am tired of playing by the rules right now. I was the "good girl" and had a boyfirend for 6years that I married and it lasted for almost 10 years. Now I like playing with the bad boys right now, but on my terms. Last night I met a guitarist in a band and he asked me to come back again tonight which I did. I just got home from talking to him and he gave me a hug good bye and asked me for my email address. WTF??? He was sweet!!! My brother also plays in a band and those boys certainly don't ask for email addresses. They go straight for the booty. I thought my little rocker boy might be more agressive than that. I also knock boots with an unemployed guy who has 2 DUI's and hangs with some pretty suspect characters. However, I see him when I want to go. I suppose in the long run, I want a guy who does for me and takes care of me, but for now it feels so good to be bad!!! Link to post Share on other sites
ion Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Like attracts like. Forcing someone else to feel a different way or justifying your own behavior is stupid and boring. This thread was an interesting read. Confidence. Yes that's a good one as someone mentioned previously. Link to post Share on other sites
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