Channeling the dead through a medium?

[mea_M]

Not sure if this is in the right area. If not feel free to move. A lady I know recently had a live medium. Her child had issues. Very rough life due to his mothers drinking problem, also probably having siblings by many fathers was just plain unstable. He took his life at 22 over the summer. This is a devote Christian so she says with statues of the Virgin mother all over her house. According to what's in the Bible, Leviticus 19:31 "Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defied by them." I take this as it defies The Lord. Does anyone know anything about this? I also read that messing with the spirit world is just plain dangerous. Curious.

 

Mea :-)

[mea_M]

I should mention I'm a catholic and this to me is something that would go against my personal faith. Also must make it clear I'd never judge a persons faith. But.. The lady I'm talking about is catholic too and In a sense a much more outspoken one at that. So this confuses me? Anyone? Bueller? Lol.

[Charym88]

According to what I know of it, even if someone goes to a medium and contact a spirit, it is only considered a 'familiar' demon spirit who was around the person alive in their waking life. That is why it states that contacting spirits defies the Lord. It is inviting demon spirits to openly communicate with you and the medium which opens a portal where more evil spirits can follow. Just my 2 sense on what I researched on the topic.

[mea_M]

According to what I know of it, even if someone goes to a medium and contact a spirit, it is only considered a 'familiar' demon spirit who was around the person alive in their waking life. That is why it states that contacting spirits defies the Lord. It is inviting demon spirits to openly communicate with you and the medium which opens a portal where more evil spirits can follow. Just my 2 sense on what I researched on the topic.

 

Yes. I read something along the same lines. I suppose I'm shocked that a devote catholic would mess with this. It really is messing with occult. And several passages in the bible state this. Here I gave this woman healing saint cards and a bunch of prayers and it appears she does not actually understand her own spirituality but is the first to mock another catholic. Strange. Thanks for the reply.

 

Mea :-)

[AShogunNamedMarcus]

Not sure if this is in the right area. If not feel free to move. A lady I know recently had a live medium. Her child had issues. Very rough life due to his mothers drinking problem, also probably having siblings by many fathers was just plain unstable. He took his life at 22 over the summer. This is a devote Christian so she says with statues of the Virgin mother all over her house. According to what's in the Bible, Leviticus 19:31 "Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defied by them." I take this as it defies The Lord. Does anyone know anything about this? I also read that messing with the spirit world is just plain dangerous. Curious.

 

Mea :-)

 

It just means that they will lie to you. Mediums are psychopaths (clinical definition) who have no problems looking someone in the eye, telling them what they want to hear (lies), and taking their money.

 

Psychopaths seem to have a natural ability to "read" people or size them up. They can adjust their approach to fit each individual.

[mea_M]

It just means that they will lie to you. Mediums are psychopaths (clinical definition) who have no problems looking someone in the eye, telling them what they want to hear (lies), and taking their money.

 

Psychopaths seem to have a natural ability to "read" people or size them up. They can adjust their approach to fit each individual.

 

 

Well that's not good. Any old ordinary person off the street can lie to another. Why pay to hear lies ? I'm thinking she must be doing this to ease guilt or get closure. And what kind of closure is that when it's not even factual. One would think her faith in god is where she'd seek and find answers In given time. Anyway!

 

Mea :-)

[pureinheart]

You know Mea, I would agree with ASNM. It's the same with false prophets. A stage set for profit.

 

IDK- we have a spiritual realm (according to my faith) one demonic and one that is of God...good angels and bad angels if you will.

 

I do believe there are those that have access to both. Thinking M30 would be the best to explain this. Psychics access the demonic realm and any person that is truly of God has access to Him/angels, although sometimes believers "think" they are accessing God, when they are in fact in direct communication with the demonic realm.

[d0nnivain]

I'm Catholic & I have never heard that the Church even cares about this. The Church teaches that everybody goes somewhere in the afterlife & there are lots of angels around guide & help us . . . whether you get that guidance directly, in a dream or with a little help from somebody else, I never knew the Church to have a problem with it.

 

 

If you believe or don't believe in mediums, OK. Don't try to get into somebody else's head & sit in judgment of their grief over the loss of a child. That particular loss is so devastating, I think anything that gives the surviving parent comfort is a good thing.

 

 

You can't take the Bible literally. It just not that kind of work.

 

 

If you are concerned that your friend is being duped out of money by people who are lying to her tell her that. Keep on eye on what's she is doing with the information but if it's innocuous like "your loved one is safe & happy" leave her to her comfort.

[mea_M]

You know Mea, I would agree with ASNM. It's the same with false prophets. A stage set for profit.

 

IDK- we have a spiritual realm (according to my faith) one demonic and one that is of God...good angels and bad angels if you will.

 

I do believe there are those that have access to both. Thinking M30 would be the best to explain this. Psychics access the demonic realm and any person that is truly of God has access to Him/angels, although sometimes believers "think" they are accessing God, when they are in fact in direct communication with the demonic realm.

 

Totally agree its not coming through god when channeling through a medium. Demonic for certain.

[mea_M]

I'm Catholic & I have never heard that the Church even cares about this. The Church teaches that everybody goes somewhere in the afterlife & there are lots of angels around guide & help us . . . whether you get that guidance directly, in a dream or with a little help from somebody else, I never knew the Church to have a problem with it.

 

 

If you believe or don't believe in mediums, OK. Don't try to get into somebody else's head & sit in judgment of their grief over the loss of a child. That particular loss is so devastating, I think anything that gives the surviving parent comfort is a good thing.

 

 

You can't take the Bible literally. It just not that kind of work.

 

 

If you are concerned that your friend is being duped out of money by people who are lying to her tell her that. Keep on eye on what's she is doing with the information but if it's innocuous like "your loved one is safe & happy" leave her to her comfort.

 

Not judging. Have seen her faith in the lord for years. As stated above, messages from a medium are not coming from god. Hate to see her duped. Can't even imagine the pain and guilt.

 

Mea:)

[pureinheart]

Totally agree its not coming through god when channeling through a medium. Demonic for certain.

 

Oh man Mea...I only read the title, sorry. 'Online while spaced out' is not good:rolleyes: You already knew this stuff...

[M30USA]

We must remember that "channeling" is merely a term. A "medium" is also a term. We ourselves are media for spirits. Does not the bible say our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit? Technically, we channel the Holy Spirit.

 

The only problem is when we channel evil spirits; or any spirit other than the Holy Spirit. This is why Paul said we must test each and every spirit.

 

Jesus, himself, was accused of using demonic powers and probably channeling to achieve his miracles. People have the mistake of assuming anything supernatural is demonic.

 

Here are ways to tell if it's the Holy Spirit being channelled:

 

1) It affirms Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

2) It affirms the physical, bodily resurrection of Christ.

3) It exalts Christ, while minimizing ourselves.

4) It convicts of sin.

5) It teaches how to live in righteousness by God's standard, not man's.

6) It warns of the coming judgement.

7) It produces good fruit in the life of those claiming to be walking by it. Jesus said a bad tree doesn't produce good fruit and a good tree doesn't produce bad fruit.

[pureinheart]

We must remember that "channeling" is merely a term. A "medium" is also a term. We ourselves are media for spirits. Does not the bible say our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit? Technically, we channel the Holy Spirit.

 

The only problem is when we channel evil spirits; or any spirit other than the Holy Spirit. This is why Paul said we must test each and every spirit.

 

Jesus, himself, was accused of using demonic powers and probably channeling to achieve his miracles. People have the mistake of assuming anything supernatural is demonic.

 

Here are ways to tell if it's the Holy Spirit being channelled:

 

1) It affirms Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

2) It affirms the physical, bodily resurrection of Christ.

3) It exalts Christ, while minimizing ourselves.

4) It convicts of sin.

5) It teaches how to live in righteousness by God's standard, not man's.

6) It warns of the coming judgement.

7) It produces good fruit in the life of those claiming to be walking by it. Jesus said a bad tree doesn't produce good fruit and a good tree doesn't produce bad fruit.

 

Wow- powerful. I especially am blessed by what you said in this first paragraph. I think we can get caught up with a spirit of fear concerning various terms and things.. I've been battling a spirit of fear. Isn't it funny how easy it is to pray for others, but when it comes to ourselves or me...well, anyway for the last few months have been in a state of torment. Really bad. The Lord has been releasing massive amounts of truth and sometimes the human mind is unable to handle all of it. Figured it was time, now almost paralyzed to go into some serious intercession the past few days.

 

Doing what I know to do spiritually, sometimes these things can take days to finally get the breakthrough and got it via a series of things, this thread did it- Thanks Mea, you are a doll (as usual:))...God bless your obedience in starting this thread and everyone that posted. M30, thank you for breaking the darkness and you're a doll too:p as usual:)

[pureinheart]

Not judging. Have seen her faith in the lord for years. As stated above, messages from a medium are not coming from god. Hate to see her duped. Can't even imagine the pain and guilt.

 

Mea:)

 

Am lifting her up now. She's desperate for connection, and though this may sound shallow (it feels shallow in comparison to her pain), my heart really, really goes out to her:(

[Anela]

Totally agree its not coming through god when channeling through a medium. Demonic for certain.

 

I don't know. I think there are a lot of fakes, but there are some who are telling the truth, and I don't see it as demonic.

[Anela]

Not judging. Have seen her faith in the lord for years. As stated above, messages from a medium are not coming from god. Hate to see her duped. Can't even imagine the pain and guilt.

 

Mea:)

 

It depends on the message. God could just as easily have put these people who do have gifts, on this earth in order to help people.

[mea_M]

We must remember that "channeling" is merely a term. A "medium" is also a term. We ourselves are media for spirits. Does not the bible say our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit? Technically, we channel the Holy Spirit.

 

The only problem is when we channel evil spirits; or any spirit other than the Holy Spirit. This is why Paul said we must test each and every spirit.

 

Jesus, himself, was accused of using demonic powers and probably channeling to achieve his miracles. People have the mistake of assuming anything supernatural is demonic.

 

Here are ways to tell if it's the Holy Spirit being channelled:

 

1) It affirms Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

2) It affirms the physical, bodily resurrection of Christ.

3) It exalts Christ, while minimizing ourselves.

4) It convicts of sin.

5) It teaches how to live in righteousness by God's standard, not man's.

6) It warns of the coming judgement.

7) It produces good fruit in the life of those claiming to be walking by it. Jesus said a bad tree doesn't produce good fruit and a good tree doesn't produce bad fruit.

 

This places a whole new perspective in my Brain.Think I've been focused on the bible here. And how much literature in a catholic sense eludes to The Catechism of the Catholic Church saying we must reject all forms of divination, including recourse to mediums which are psychics who channel spirits of the dead in order to get information.

 

In channeling, you're basically invoking spirits and allowing them to use your person, your body, your voice, to speak through you. Therefore, what you're going to get may appear to be of God but it isn't. Thanks M3.

 

Mea:-)

[mea_M]

Am lifting her up now. She's desperate for connection, and though this may sound shallow (it feels shallow in comparison to her pain), my heart really, really goes out to her:(

 

She is desperate Pure. And I love you lady. <3

 

Mea :-)

[pureinheart]

She is desperate Pure. And I love you lady. <3

 

Mea :-)

 

...and I love you too:love:

[M30USA]

This places a whole new perspective in my Brain.Think I've been focused on the bible here. And how much literature in a catholic sense eludes to The Catechism of the Catholic Church saying we must reject all forms of divination, including recourse to mediums which are psychics who channel spirits of the dead in order to get information.

 

In channeling, you're basically invoking spirits and allowing them to use your person, your body, your voice, to speak through you. Therefore, what you're going to get may appear to be of God but it isn't. Thanks M3.

 

Mea:-)

 

Exactly.

 

I do believe that channeling to receive information from the dead is not of the Holy Spirit. I don't see how it fits the description of the Holy Spirit's purpose in any way.

 

Much confusion today revolves around what exactly is the purpose of the Holy Spirit. Dr John MacArthur has a great book and series called "Strange Fire" where he says much of what is attributed to the Holy Spirit today is actually the work of Satan; and much of what is attributed to Satan is actually the work of the Holy Spirit. He says we must use scriptural reference and strict scrutiny to test each and every spirit. Failure to do so is actually what Christ referred to as "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"--or confusing the work of the Holy Spirit with other evil spirits. It is RAMPANT even in the Christian church today. This is dangerous because we are told that the Holy Spirit is one of the 3 persons of trinity. It is literally God, himself. Jesus even referred to it as "He". I think we should have a solid understanding of the Holy Spirit and be able to recognize it, or we are in big trouble.

 

Here's a good starting verse which I've mentioned before:

 

"And when he [the Holy Spirit] comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment..." (John 16:8 NLT)

 

If you or another person (even pastor) claims to possess the Holy Spirit and they do not speak of these 3 characteristics in the above verse, or do not show signs of them in their actions, they do not possess the Holy Spirit. End of discussion. Scripture is pretty clear in this. This doesn't mean such a person has to be perfect--nobody is. But we should find clear evidence in their words and actions which line up with John 16:8.

Edited November 19, 2013 by M30USA

[BlessYourCottonSocks]

The show, Long Island Medium, Theresa Caputo, have you seen it? Regardless, whether she is fake or real, she has provided an abundance of closure and comfort to many people. And I think that is the main reason people seek mediums. I don't see it as evil at all. And some of the things she says, is completely MIND BLOWING. She can't just make it up.

 

You either believe or you don't. You either go to a medium or you don't. You either care or you don't.

 

In the end, it's whatever tickles our fancy.

[mea_M]

The show, Long Island Medium, Theresa Caputo, have you seen it? Regardless, whether she is fake or real, she has provided an abundance of closure and comfort to many people. And I think that is the main reason people seek mediums. I don't see it as evil at all. And some of the things she says, is completely MIND BLOWING. She can't just make it up.

 

You either believe or you don't. You either go to a medium or you don't. You either care or you don't.

 

In the end, it's whatever tickles our fancy.

 

Hi. I've heard of her. You're right. You either believe or you don't. :-) Personally, I'd rather let it rest in peace & Know the lord above will provide comfort as needed. That to me is faith. Personal view point.

 

Mea :-)

[M30USA]

FYI, from my observations the biggest counterfeit of the Holy Spirit is the doctrine of "love" which never mentions sin or judgement.

 

The very word "holy", as part of the Holy Spirit, refers to righteousness or being without blemish or sin. So therefore how can one claiming to teach by it never even mention the idea of sin? It's called the Holy Spirit, not the Love Spirit. Within holiness, there is found love. But love without conviction and repentance is merely wickedness.

[Anela]

Hi. I've heard of her. You're right. You either believe or you don't. :-) Personally, I'd rather let it rest in peace & Know the lord above will provide comfort as needed. That to me is faith. Personal view point.

Mea :-)

 

So was mine, but my responses were ignored.

 

My family has had a few experiences with this ourselves. The most recent being my aunt, who lost her daughter two years ago. James van Praagh helped her.

[M30USA]

So was mine, but my responses were ignored.

 

My family has had a few experiences with this ourselves. The most recent being my aunt, who lost her daughter two years ago. James van Praagh helped her.

 

Apologies, I think I've threadjacked this one.