Nick14 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Damn lucky you UR, cherish it. I wish this situatoin was me, hell I be estatic just to get a email like that! Link to post Share on other sites
djones Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hey Guys, Man the april fools are coming out early, HandH I thought for real you were that person that had the Jesus Chip ....UR01 now that would have been a real nice e-mail...but I think the hanging out on V-day is still a great start, I hope it works out for you. As for me guys things are going good, I am happy...i am going to meet my GF this sat again so that should be fun. Get this all I had a MSN runin with the ex yesterday she msned me to say hi and ask how things are going, I kept my answers very light and nodescript....I think she was fishing again...but I did not tell her anything...well i hope all is well I will talk to you all later Link to post Share on other sites
bigacesteve Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hi everyone, I had a really strange Wednesday. I'm not into this NC stuff, I'm completely useless at it. I've had this urge to talk things through with my ex since New Year; I was so close to getting an answer. I texted my ex saying that when we were together New Year she had talked to me and there was no reason why we couldn't talk some more and it wouldn't have to lead anywhere. She replied that she knew that I loved her and that she still has feelings for me but something keeps stopping her. I rang her and she answered straight away; she was at her fathers which is about 2 miles from where I live. We chatted and I told her that my friends were away on holiday so if she wanted to come visit we had some privacy. She agreed and came around in an hours time. She came in and sat next to me; we watched tv and talked about things and we were really having a laugh. I could sense that she was different with me this time, she wasn't in a rush to go and seemed to want to talk. I finally mentioned New Year and I told her what she told me that night; about her missing me and wanting to try again but slowly to start off with. I then opened up (still under control) and everything I've been thinking about that happened to us and the mistakes I myself made when we were seeing each other just all came out. I told her that living with my 2 best mates had put a strain on us because I was different with her when they were around to when we were just together alone. I told her that I acted like a fool because I was always trying to be one of the boys when we were all together when really I realise now I should have just been myself and ignored the pressure from my mates. I told her that since the split I have thought about these things and I have wanted to tell her all this and more since we split but she would never talk to me. I looked at her and she was crying her eyes out. She told me that I had summed everything up that she felt uncomfortable with me and that it was the reason why she didn't want to get back together. I told her that for the last 4 months I have known my mistake and I just wanted the opportunity to tell her. We then talked for another hour or so and everything was great, then we went for a drive in my mates car (BMW 330Ci), which is rapid. She took her bag and coat with her so I knew when we got back she would go straight home then. When we got back to my house I got out the car and she walked over to me and followed me into the house. We sat down and talked again about everything and she was telling me how happy she had been with me but how I acted when my mates were around did cause the problems. I asked her if she really thought I would be like that again and she answered that she knew I wouldn't now. She was finally going and she grabbed me and gave me a big hug and a kiss; she held on to me for ages and told me that she really needed to think about us and what the next step is. After she had gone I waited a while and texted her saying that I was so glad that I finally got the chance to tell her my thoughts and that I hoped we could talk again sometime in the future. I got this reply. "can't believe i still get upset when we talk after 4 months, must mean i've still got feelings for u. Glad we talked, it's given me a few things to think about x" I've spoken to her tonight and we've been fine on the phone, we should be meeting up sometime after next Monday. She has an exam on Monday so she needs to revise, plus she's working Friday and Saturday. I will keep my protective wall up and I will be watching for the warning signs. A lot of progress was made between us and at the very least I've had an answer as to what happened and I totally agree with her. I listened to what she had to say and I can see how she became saddened with our relationship and why she wanted out. I am a totally different person now and I think she has seen that. On another note, typical!!! I got a phone call from Vicki whilst my ex was around. My phone was in my room on silent so didn't see the missed call till after ex had gone. She also texted me this morning saying she'd ring tonight. Guess what? Good job I wasn't holding my breath. She hasn't rung. I'm just glad I got the chance to tell my ex my feelings and thoughts to her face. It seems to have done some good but only time will tell. The strength I have gained because of LS has helped me considerably in dealing with the last 4 months. I'm hopeful but I feel much more prepared if it all goes t1ts up. I wish you all luck. Wish me luck Link to post Share on other sites
Weird Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Steve, damn dude, sounds like some progress and hopefully it works out. If she actually is willing to try things out again then that will be great. Nice to see vicki is still acting like a tool so no need to really worry about that with the new progress with the ex. I bet Vicki is trying to play this hard to get game with you...screw that junk. All I know is I hope it all works out for you because you are a good guy and deserve it. If your ex actually is willing to gives things another go then that is really good of ehr and I wish more people would be like her and give those they love a chance to prove themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
bigacesteve Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Cheers Weird, I'm being cautious with it all but as usual I'll have to sit back and wait. She sent me a message earlier asking if she could come around and see me for a bit. When I rang her she had changed her mind because it was later than she thought. Like I said, we'll just have to see what happens. Yea that Vicki is bloody useless. She can play hard to get, I've lost all interest now. How can someone promise to phone me on 6 occasions and then fail everytime, that's just bollocks. Oh well, I'm off work tomorrow and next week is my last week as an IT Consultant. Got 10 days off and then I become dibble (police). Can't wait!!! Link to post Share on other sites
head/heels Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 sounds stable so far....just dont give her too much mushy stuff or she may walk all over you...just play it close to the vest and defintiely try not to sex her up right away.....she wont be ready for that....even if she tries it first....just take your time and make it work this time if you get that chance... dont hold resentment to anything she did while you two were off bc that wont help you at all ! good luck and keep us posted....i would say not to keep your guard up too much or there is no reason to go back with her if you are going to have your heart blocked...i dont mean now..just in due time let it all hang out again and if you get hurt....at least it was all left on the field again! cheers! Link to post Share on other sites
head/heels Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 for all the brits on this thread.....all i can think of now is BASTeve, suky, and amber..... What do you all think of crazy prince harry? i read about him and his antics as of late (nazi, drinking, smoking, snorting, fu(king, etc) he is a wild little animal! i cant get enough of the stories about him and what he tries to do with the ladies....at one point i was laughing out loud with the **** he would try to pull what is the feeling on that crazy beaner there? Link to post Share on other sites
mj108 Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi everyone! Just wanted to say "Hi" & I hope everything is going well for everyone. My update ---I'm trying to move on with my life. I haven't talk to the ex. He left a message on my Voicemail New Years but that's the last time I heard from him. I told his brother to tell him never to call me again. He's living his life with psycho wacko now & he shouldn't be calling me when he's with someone else! New Guy is suppose to come over & see me Saturday. We're going to watch the football game together. He's really nice but I still have my guard up. I'm not expecting anything out of this. My heart is still with my ex & I'm angry---bitter because really he doesn't deserve my heart! I'm being honest with new guy & I told him that I'm afraid of getting hurt again. I'm not going to lead him on in anyway. I'm just taking it day by day...going with the flow...whatever happens--happens. Got to get back to work! Been busy! I'll try to post more later. Everyone take care. Chin up! MJ Link to post Share on other sites
djones Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hey Kids, Hows everyone doing? I am doing good, so far no more of the ex msning me since the last post, Weird was right saying she is fishing, I dont know what but whatever, I am happy with the new girl. we are going out this sat agian so it should be fun. BAS-- dude I happy for you, but keep your guard way up still, i think the rest of the gang has said the same thing. keep us posted MJ---you keep your guard up to! I hope all goes well for you too this sat..like we said take it one day at a time. keep us posted HandH--- yeah that little Harry is a troublemaker eh! the Royals always need one bad egg in the lot!! but that was pretty dumb though! Well guys take care and hope you all have a great weekend, I'll post later Link to post Share on other sites
audrey Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Hey Guys, Need some advice. The ex is leaving town to go travelling for a year. Not sure if its with his new girlfriend or just a friend. He's invited me by text to go have a drink and see him off. Not a personal message, I got the same text as everyone else. His new girlfriend will be there and I'm not sure how I'll cope with it so don't think I should go but then again, maybe an actual goodbye is what I need to get past this. I also don't want to cause trouble because she would probabaly hate me for turning up but we were together for three and a half years so she has to understand we've got history and they've only been dating for a couple of months. But then it's not her fault and he might over compensate for me being there by being all over her twice as much which would make me feel like sh*t. Should I be worried about her feelings? Is it better to go and have some closure or will it re-open all of the hurt, or do i stay away and be left in a limbo or be wishing I had taken the chance when I had it. I really don't know what would be for he best.... Any advice? Audrey xxxxxxxxx Link to post Share on other sites
LexiB Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by audrey Is it better to go and have some closure... or do i stay away and be left in a limbo or be wishing I had taken the chance when I had it. xxxxxxxxx Hmmm, sounds like you already have in mind what to do. I dont know the circumstances of your breakup--if he was a butthole to you or not, but if he's worthy of a face-2-face goodbye and this is what you feel you need to do, do it. As long as you're not looking to rehash any old drama about the break up or your relationship at this party-- not likely to go over well esp. w/ newgf there. Also wldnt reccommend staying for the whole thing. Just make an appearance (looking FABULOUS of course, ) , say your goodbyes and move on. As far as the new gf's feelings, if she cant handle you showing up for a while to say goodbye to someone you were close to for a significant pd. of your life and who you're not going to see again............tough Link to post Share on other sites
djones Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Hey Audrey, I say go and meet up with him and say your goodbyes, I think it will be a good thing for you personaly for closure, It sounds like he texted all his friends so I figure there will be a lot of people there, so maybe that will help with the awkardness with his new girl or friend. Yeah if you go I agree with Lexib just keep it short and leave early and look hot!!! ......But this may be the thing you need for closure for you....take care...keep us posted Link to post Share on other sites
Three of Swords Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by LexiB Also wldnt reccommend staying for the whole thing. Just make an appearance (looking FABULOUS of course, ) , say your goodbyes and move on. As far as the new gf's feelings, if she cant handle you showing up for a while to say goodbye to someone you were close to for a significant pd. of your life and who you're not going to see again............tough I second this opinion - go looking totally fabulous!! Can you take a friend for support (if it is open to extra persons)? Preferable a male friend but if not female friend would work just as well. The male friend would just be an extra bonus. That way you have someone in your corner, someone to chat with if there is an uncomfortable silence at your arrival and someone to drag you out of there if you end up having a few drinks to many. Not saying you will - but under the circumstances even a few drinks could escalate any residule emotions. Then, as LexiB says and DR Jones echos, stay for a short period of time and say bye-bye, wish you well, WE have other things to do (in otherwords saying yes my life too has gone on quite well without him thanks!), WE are outa there. Then the friend can be someone to lean on and either take you home to have a good cry (if needed) or out for more drinks to get you through the after shocks. And yes - tough to the new GF. This is for you. Best of luck and let us know what you have decided and how it went. Yeah to everyone who is managing to get on with things. I too am trying and the last couple of days haven't been too bad. I did break contact as my love interest was going out of town for a trip - I sent a neutral IM to wish him a good trip and have fun. He isn't travelling for a year tho. Just a week. Kept it short. There is a good chance I will be actually seeing him next week as he likely will be attending a birthday party for someone we are both close to. Don't know if he will be going there with someone female or not. Wish me luck people on that one!! B. Link to post Share on other sites
Weird Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Audrey, I agree with Lexi, the Doc and 3 of swords. Link to post Share on other sites
Weird Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 well 2005 has started off to suck. Colts got killed yesterday and naturally some media morons (and I am sure nfl fans) put the brunt of the loss on peyton manning's shoulders in their idiotic way saying he was confused, can't win the big game, blah blah blah. Funny, I never knew QBs played defense and caught their own passes but I guess they do because Peyton must have been on Defense and catching (or should I say dropping) his own passes yesterday. Apparently Peyton Manning is God once again taking human form and Peyton should be able to control the other 52 players on his team. Peyton should be able to say "let there be defense" and bam! the Colts defense should suddenly be able to tackle better than peewee footballers. Peyton should say "let there be wide open receivers" and they should suddenly break free from coverage and be wide open. So to all those who believe in God, let it be known Peyton is apparently God back yet again among us since Peyton supposedly controls every single thing on the field that his team does and also what the other team does. I just LOVE how Peyton gets criticized for every friggin Colts loss even when he does nothing wrong...just like yesterday. It amazes me how he is the only QB in th NFL that gets subjected to this type of critical crap. I don't know how he puts up with it because I'd have gone off long ago on the media and other morons if I had people saying stupid crap to/about me. The last Qb to get this same type of crap? Steve Young. Apparently my man Steve was also God in human form since he was supposed to make up for the 49ers not having a good enough team to win more super bowls. Gah, sorry for that rant. Just bugs me how stupid most people are and how I have to see that stupidity. People suck and constantly let me down with how dumb they are...I expect humans to actually show some sort of logic yet a little monkey can show a higher level of logic than most people. Sad. Hope you all are doing well. Aside from football crap and the moron media and fans, things are fine with me except I have felt a little bit under the weather the last ouple days. Link to post Share on other sites
head/heels Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 GO GO GO BUT: look smashing....if you have a couple of weeks...work out , tan , eat right, drink plenty of water....etc... then go out and (if $ possibel) get a new outfit...and a new hairstyle! and bring a new buff, hottie to the party and just introduce him as your "date" and then pay attention to the date and your mutual friends and barely look at him see how long it takes for him to call or write to you on that long (i mean long ) year away from you with the thoughts of a hotttie on your arm and you looking damn good! good luck lots of love Link to post Share on other sites
Urban Rubble01 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Peyton Manning IS slightly overrated in my opinion, but yesterday was not his fault. Weird, us Seahawks fans had a whole SEASON of crap like you had last night. If it wasn't for Darrell Jackson dropping footballs we'd have probably had at least 10 or 11 wins (not to mention we'd have beaten the Rams last weeK). Welcome to the world of dropped passes. Go Falcons ! Anyway, haven't contacted to the ex in 2 weeks and 3 days ! But she did send me a very sweet E-mail the other day saying she's thinking about me and that she loves me. I'm going to try and go a full 3 weeks without contacting her, just to see if I can do it really. What do you guys think about Valentines Day ? Should I try to keep it light or should I attempt to be somewhat "romantic" ? Link to post Share on other sites
head/heels Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 SLIGHTLY OVERRATED???????? You must be smoking too much of that grass you smoke? Youre stoned out of your mind my man! (quote from easy riders, btw)! And if n e 1 is overrated it is mike vick!...man, ease up on the burna bro, it has got you thinking backwards. check out peyton's stats this year and then check out any other qb's stats in history...also check mike vicks stats this year specifically.... Weird?? do you have any take on peyton being overrated? what say you? but back to the actual thread topic...........could everyone weigh in on how 2005 so far has went......... lets vote...........good, bad, no change............. my vote.........no change , but did have a very fun weekend....!!!!!!! too risque to speak on derek Link to post Share on other sites
djones Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hey Guys, Hows everyone doing? I will leave the NFL stuff alone since I dont know crap about it .....As for HandH weighing in on 2005 I would have to say for me so far its going well we will see how the rest of the year pans out. UR01---I would say for the v-day stuff, keep it light and just see how the night goes and if its going well maybe turn it up a notch...but just see how she is feeling, i still think keep your guard up...keep us posted well guys I hope all is well hey BAS, Kodiak how are you guys doing? Link to post Share on other sites
Urban Rubble01 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 SLIGHTLY OVERRATED???????? Haha, you're right, that came out wrong. Not overrated, overcovered. He's the only quaterback anyone seems to talk about ! But you're right, overrated was a bad choice. And Mike Vick WAS overrated, I don't think he is as much this season. Link to post Share on other sites
mj108 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hi everyone, Weird...my little bro---Sorry your team didn't pull through. I was rooting for them as well. I know Mike Vick is overrated but being a Southern peach & a falcon fan......Go Falcons! Should had saw me Saturday going nuts! ha Audrey--I agree with everyone. You need to dress your finest & go girl! Show him what he's lost. UR01--Keep it light on V-day. Be yourself. You don't have to go all romantic right now---I would wait. Head/Heel---2005 for me has been good & bad. It's been good because I'm almost over my ex. I don't think about him as much & I don't dream much about him anymore. Also, the good thing is---I went to a class at church Sunday night. It's a class about leaving everything in Gods hands & letting him be in control (which I have a hard time doing). Also, about being patient (which I have a hard time doing also! ). So I hope this helps me. I think it will. The bad part is---I've changed into someone I barely even know now. My heart feels like it's made of stone & I won't let anyone in. Also, the guy I was dating---turned out to be a jerk which makes me put my heartguard up even more. Like I've always said---we will survive in 2005. I truly believe this. Hopefully, this class I'm taking---will help me along the way. Link to post Share on other sites
Three of Swords Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Every day I wake up and reluctantly get out of bed. I trodge off to work for 8:00 am and then at 4:00 pm I scurry off to the next job 14 city blocks away in order to get there to start at 4:30 and I work until 9:00 pm. Sometimes I work either Saturday or Sunday (and once in a while both) at the second job. And in between I try to live my life. I put one foot in front of the other, always clutching on to the hope that with each passing day I will get better at coping. I make it a point to go out with friends whenever time permits - generally coffee, or lunch, etc. Just to have something to do besides work. However, I really think that I would rather just hide under the covers and not come out until all was well again. On the weekend I had a tattoo done on my back. It took nearly two hours, and will take another hour to finish. And although it was sometimes painfull, being a tattoo after all - it felt really good to have someone touching me - how pathetic is that! BTW - it is an awsome tattoo. So as to how this chicky is doing so far in 2005 - meh I've been better. Link to post Share on other sites
LexiB Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Originally posted by Three of Swords So as to how this chicky is doing so far in 2005 - meh I've been better. Ditto for me Actually I think "meh" sums it up best. Link to post Share on other sites
djones Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hey Gang, Most of you all saying that so far 2005 is a "meh" one good thing is that its only 18 days into the new year, we still have 11 months and change for things to turn around. I guess we just have to ride the wave there are going to be ups and downs and I hope there are more ups for everyone. MJ going to this class about leaving it into Gods hands is very interesting, I would give that guy giving the lecture a run for his money. Leaving things in Gods hands, hmm very interesting, is it part of his doing that we must endure the bad before we see good?...well I am not going to go deep on that right now.... I think MJ is still right we will survive 2005, as a group if we get kicked in the crotch during this year we will walk it off and keep going, if it hurts we have each other to lean on. 3 of swords---whats your tattoo of? I always wanted to get one but being a doctor I am afraid of needles...I can give them, but recieving them I am not to keen on them ......its not pathetic wanting someone to touch you, its kind of nice, for me after being alone and hurt from my ex it was really hard to for me to relax and have my new girl hug me, after you get hurt you build up this defence mechanism and you dont want someone to get close to you, but over time it gets better...I still have my guard up but I am working on it... Audrey---- just go for it and show your ex what he lost!!! a great girl!! HandH--- hmm sounds like you have a fun weekend well guys take care Link to post Share on other sites
Weird Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Originally posted by Urban Rubble01 Haha, you're right, that came out wrong. Not overrated, overcovered. He's the only quaterback anyone seems to talk about ! But you're right, overrated was a bad choice. And Mike Vick WAS overrated, I don't think he is as much this season. First, there is no way Manning is over rated. The only way one could say he is over rated though is because some people honestly do think he shoud be God and be able to snap his fingers and make anything happen. The best example of this was the loss to the Chiefs earlier this year. Peyton had one of the best games by a QB in years yet they lost and somehow some put the blame on Peyton. Brother threw 5 TDs and almost 500 yards! WTF more is a guy supposed to do? But yeah, that is the only way one could say he is over rated but that is a media/fan expectation issue not anything to do with peyton so, he is not over rated...but you know that hence your 2nd post. As for being over-covered...no way. It makes sense the coverage he got this year since he broke 2 records many thought were never going to be broken. Hell, he shattered the record I thought would last FOREVER (Steve Young's QB rating record) so that is damn impressive as is the obvious TD record. It is a shame the qb rating does not get more play because it is IMO the most telling stat of how well a qb performs. No Qb that has had a high rating in a season/career has played poorly. Prob is most have no clue what the rating takes into account. Anyway, so this year it made sense he got the coverage he did but I would hardly say he is over covered. As for other QBs that others talk about...how about FAVRE. Favre apparently is the greatest human being to walk the earth according to the media and to others. There is a guy who is over hyped...Favre is no doubt one of the best but the way people go on about him you'd think he could turn water into wine. What I find funny is more people critcized Peyton over this past game (again where peyton did nothing wrong and had a good game considering what he had to work with) yet these same people make excuses for favres crap game vs the bad defense having Vikings 2 weeks ago. It is amazing one guy get the blame for everything that goes wrong with his team and the other guy always gets excuses made for when he sucks it up or when his team fails. Why the double standard? Why is favre the media golden boy? Because he got addicted to painkiller and used ot be an alcoholic? I guess to get addicted to stuff and overcome those addictions makes a person better/more likeable than those who don't get addicted in the first place. Interesting. The thing that bugs me about the NFL/media now is that you get onto the "hot story" like the league is a fuggin movie. Case in point....Big Ben on the Steelers. People act like he is soooooo great yet he rode his running game and a defense to that win streak, although he did well for what his role was but he is hardly an amazing qb just because the team has won all games he has started. It is sad that guys who have consistent years of good performance get over shadowed over these "hot stories" in our society...it isn't just in football either but in every sport and in every area of life. Sad. I blame the reality TV show craze (well, humans are to blame but it all started to go downhill with these shows) on this... The absolute most idiotic thing I have read in years is that brady is a better qb than Manning simply because the Brady led Pats are undefeated vs the Manning led Colts and because Brady's team is better than the Colts thus he/they have 2 Sb titles. HUH.....how do people come up with this garbage? When did the NFL become tennis? Last time I checked games aren't qb vs qb in a mano-e-mano dual. Last time I checked Qbs dont play defense, catch their own passes, take handoffs form themselves and kick FGs themselves. If one is to use this flawed ass logic then I guess trent dilfer is better than Marino (since dilfer has a Sb ring and is 4-1 or 5-1 in playoffs) and to use the Qb head to head "logic" then AJ Feeley is better than Brady since the Dolphins beat the Pats earlier this year. I can't begin to explain how ashamed I become as a human being when I read people use this asinine way of thought to support their opinion in ANY AREA not just football. I see it with car comparisons and it is just as bad. Championships and team success comes from just that- THE TEAM. No one player has ever been able to win a team championship by himself and I am sick and tired of people using that and just the general win-loss record as a way to judge individual players. Can anyone who thinks Brady is better honestly say that if Brady were on the Colts and Manning on the Pats that the Colts would have had the success the pats have in these last 4 seasons? Nobody would say that and would bring up the Colts having a crap defense which would leave me with my hands up then asking why they think brady is better than peyton if they admit the defense is a huge factor in the Pats being successful at winning titles and the colts not winning those titles. Everyone says defense wins championships...except when it coems ot Peyton. With Peyton he is supposed to overcome FACT and be able to dominate everyone. Hilarious the expectations people put on him and I have no idea how he hasn't gone insane and blown up on the media over this crap....but it sure seemed after this last colts defeat he was pissed off with this talk of him vs the world and he may be getting close to the point where he does blow up. Millions of years humans have been around and THAT is as far we as a species have come in the logic department? Sad. There are days when I wonder if I am of the same species because even if you cut out half my brain and doped me up on coke or whatever I still wouldn't be that stupid. I wont even get started in my Joe Montana vs Steve Young debate. That'd be a huge post. Needless to say Steve was the better QB and the only thing Joe had over Steve was a better team to help win those Sb titles. The funny thing is most people who played with both QBs and most people in the 49ers organization agree that Young was better yet the media (and some fans) keep looking at the Sb titles and totally ignore everything else which was in Young's favour. Hell, I bet Montana realizes Young was better which is why he was such an a**h*** to Steve before/after Young replaced him as the starter and why he got jealous when Steve did anything better than Joe. Funny. Anyway, that is my rant for the day. And yes, the seahawks need to get WRs who can catch and coudl easily be a dominating force in the NFC if their guys didnt drop so many passes and if the team played consistently. I am amazed they didnt throw to rice at all during the rams game 2 weeks ago. Rice needs to retire as I dont want to see him go out worse than this:( Heels, As for this original topic I'd say 2005 is no change from 2004 thus far. Like others, the year is "meh"...that pretty much sums up my life in general. 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