Do Nice Guys Finish Last?

[happydate]

I don't so much agree that "nice guys" are fake. I think they're more along the lines of authentic, but socially awkward in that authenticity. EVERYONE manipulates events and situations to get the results they want on some level. Where this becomes an issue with "nice guys" is they don't know HOW to manipulate to get the result they want without making it obvious what they're doing. In a social interaction, there are some complex things going on. Nice Guys tend to have a method of interaction that screams "I am doing social interaction complexity number X". When you do that, you destroy the illusion of an easy social interaction, and people tend to get annoyed/freaked out by that stuff for some reason.

 

Why does a guy called "NICE". Isn't the word itself screams manipulation?

 

Look at the world's most successful people out there. How do they become successful? By being nice?

 

Do you think American stores are nice to you? Or are they nice to your credit cards? Why do stores have to be nice to you if you don't buy anything and waist their time?

 

The problem with NICE guys is that, they misplace their "NICE" resources on things that don't count. You are only nice to a girl if she returns the same gesture to you. You are only affectionate and caring to her if she really returns the same affection and care. But if the girl is mean to you; you still have to be nice to her and be her doormat? How's that mathematically sound?

 

Nice guys like jerks have no problems meeting girls. Jerks go on to get laid and keep their ladies.

 

You need to remember that ladies, unlike guys, has a strength and power deficiencies. Historically, women compensate for their lack of strength and muscle power with intuition and mental manipulation. They are good at reading men and using them to do the deeds that they are unable to do with strength. So they are masters at manipulation and that they understand it's a girl thing. When a jerk comes along, happy and joyful and with a spine, he's a man. He's tough and has a show of strength, something the woman needs and this jerk knows it. The man passes all her sh*t tests because he does't give a crap. He knows himself. Women would die sleeping with him, only to keep him because he's a man. This man would allow these women to play, but always sure he's in control of himself by getting laid.

 

Now, a nice guy initially starts out as a man. He's tough, confident, funny and strong. But then he gets close to her and get floored by her sh*t tests. He then started questioning himself, becomes unsure, less funny and more nervous and weak. He then becomes spineless because he's so afraid of loosing this girl. Man, when you hadn't gotten laid for awhile, you'll get nervous. She's all you got. So this NICE guy starts to act NICER even if she treated him like a doormat or a meal ticket. Once you start playing the manipulation game to exact a favourable response out of a woman, the woman KNOWS you are a weakling. You are a girlie man, because that's what women been doing for eons, centuries and god knows what! Your action is what caused these women to friend zone you. Which is why jerks always get their holes, because jerks don't care a bit about them. They only care about themselves. That strength is what women look for; at least in a guy who will become the father of her offsprings! She's looking for a man who has a spine not a man girlie girlfriend. She's got plenty of that herself!

Edited December 11, 2013 by happydate

[Under The Radar]

Why does a guy called "NICE". Isn't the word itself screams manipulation?

 

Look at the world's most successful people out there. How do they become successful? By being nice?

 

Do you think American stores are nice to you? Or are they nice to your credit cards? Why do stores have to be nice to you if you don't buy anything and waist their time?

 

The problem with NICE guys is that, they misplace their "NICE" resources on things that don't count. You are only nice to a girl if she returns the same gesture to you. You are only affectionate and caring to her if she really returns the same affection and care. But if the girl is mean to you; you still have to be nice to her and be her doormat? How's that mathematically sound?

 

Nice guys like jerks have no problems meeting girls. Jerks go on to get laid and keep their ladies.

 

You need to remember that ladies, unlike guys, has a strength and power deficiencies. Historically, women compensate for their lack of strength and muscle power with intuition and mental manipulation. They are good at reading men and using them to do the deeds that they are unable to do with strength. So they are masters at manipulation and that they understand it's a girl thing. When a jerk comes along, happy and joyful and with a spine, he's a man. He's tough and has a show of strength, something the woman needs and this jerk knows it. The man passes all her sh*t tests because he does't give a crap. He knows himself. Women would die sleeping with him, only to keep him because he's a man. This man would allow these women to play, but always sure he's in control of himself by getting laid.

 

Now, a nice guy initially starts out as a man. He's tough, confident, funny and strong. But then he gets close to her and get floored by her sh*t tests. He then started questioning himself, becomes unsure, less funny and more nervous and weak. He then becomes spineless because he's so afraid of loosing this girl. Man, when you hadn't gotten laid for awhile, you'll get nervous. She's all you got. So this NICE guy starts to act NICER even if she treated him like a doormat or a meal ticket. Once you start playing the manipulation game to exact a favourable response out of a woman, the woman KNOWS you are a weakling. You are a girlie man, because that's what women been doing for eons, centuries and god knows what! Your action is what caused these women to friend zone you. Which is why jerks always get their holes, because jerks don't care a bit about them. They only care about themselves. That strength is what women look for; at least in a guy who will become the father of her offsprings! She's looking for a man who has a spine not a man girlie girlfriend. She's got plenty of that herself!

 

 

Personally, I have no interest in passing a woman's "**** tests".

 

By passing a woman's "**** tests" you fail what I call the "spine test".

 

When you fail the "spine test" it is game over coupled with a loss of dignity ...... no thanks!

 

Again, the simple rule of thumb is to not be a doormat. If a guy is naturally nice, but has confidence and a backbone, he'll do just fine.

[happydate]

Personally, I have no interest in passing a woman's "**** tests".

 

By passing a woman's "**** tests" you fail what I call the "spine test".

 

When you fail the "spine test" it is game over coupled with a loss of dignity ...... no thanks!

 

Again, the simple rule of thumb is to not be a doormat. If a guy is naturally nice, but has confidence and a backbone, he'll do just fine.

 

You pass the sh*t tests by NOT reacting to them. That is the spine test. You are correct that passing her sh*t tests would fail the spine test, because to pass is TO REACT. You don't.

 

Why would failing the spine test is game over and a loss of dignity?

 

Here's a tip for you.

 

Women do sh*t tests on men because their men present doubt in their strength and power! Doubt and fear don't mix well with women's confidence in you. The tests are there to reassure them.

 

So why would you loose dignity? Rich powerful men lost millions of dollars and made them back. You think they lament the fact that they lost money. Nope. They learned from their mistakes and try again. Powerful and successful men NEVER make themselves feel like victims of their own failures.

Edited December 11, 2013 by happydate

[Under The Radar]

So, let me get this straight:

 

Failing the **** test = Passing the **** test

 

And ......

 

Passing the **** test = Failing the **** test

 

Ok, got it; I'll remember this important tip in my quest for global domination .

 

You know what? On second thought, I think I'll have solid boundaries, have a strong backbone, and, wait for it ...... continue being genuinely nice to people.

 

See, despite popular belief and bro science, women like nice guys. Only on LoveShack would anyone hear advice to the contrary .

[FrostBlaze]

Now, a nice guy initially starts out as a man. He's tough, confident, funny and strong. But then he gets close to her and get floored by her sh*t tests. He then started questioning himself, becomes unsure, less funny and more nervous and weak. He then becomes spineless because he's so afraid of loosing this girl. Man, when you hadn't gotten laid for awhile, you'll get nervous. She's all you got.

I agree that this is what happens in general to the nice guys. No need to go any further explaining xD.

[mrnova66]

I do not do THE TEST!!!!!If a womaqn has been with every LOSER(drunk,drug addict,abuser,jailbird) in town. Then that is all I need to know. She is not into good guys. She loves MR. Exciting. Then when she gets into her 40s with 3 kids with 3 dead beats she can wonder where are all the nice guys. They sure are not looking for these types of women. These good guys are long gone

[FrankieFrank]

What are those **** tests?

 

I'm not interested in taking crap from anyone just met, no matter how pretty they are and how I might want to have sex with them.

[Woggle]

My reaction to **** tests is find a woman who doesn't pull that crap. If I were single that is what I would do. I am in my 30s so I have no room for childish games and I would want a woman who feels the same.

[M30USA]

I guess I failed my ex wife's **** tests. This is the one test in my life that I'm GLAD I failed.

[Grumpybutfun]

No, I am a nice guy and I am not finished yet, but my life is grand and my wife knows my value. Being a good man has its own rewards but I am certain that I would not have such an amazing wife had I been a player or a bad boy. Really lovely women want quality...how do I know, I married one and she wouldn't have given a player the time of the day.

Best,

Grumps

[joystickd]

I would feel frustrated, especially if I were expecting someone to behave how I want because I was 'nice.' If the only thong someone is offering is nice, they are gking to have a hard time in the dating world.

 

This is a problem. Its not about getting soneone to behave how they want. Its because they have been indoctrinated by the women in their life to be nice. There is no type of manipulation involved. Now answer how would you feel?