UFOs/aliens under the oceans?

[M30USA]

I have always known of reports about UFOs which allegedly descend and ascend out of the water. The reason I don't entirely discount this is because I'm aware of multiple, reliable witnesses who have reported this--including Christopher Columbus on his voyage.

 

After watching a program about this, I suddenly had a scripture verse from Revelation pop into my mind:

 

"And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates." (Revelation 9:13-14 KJV)

 

Considering the conspiracy theories of underwater alien bases, combined with the fact that I have determined aliens are synonymous with angels, suddenly this became a real possibility in my mind.

 

Certain times the bible says things that are just too bizarre and make no sense. This verse is one of them. I mean, an angel bound in a river? What does that mean? It's either all BS or there are things going on entirely out of our current understanding which seem like fiction.

[Robert Z]

Haha, USOs eh? For a long time I lived near Lake Shasta, in California. Reports have been associated with this area since the 50s, including things allegedly coming up out of the lake.

 

 

When I was in high school, a bunch of students stayed at the lake the night of senior ditch day. I wasn't there but I would imagine that a third of the senior class was. The next day, the quad at school was electric with stories of lights that were seen coming out the water and flying around the lake.

 

 

I never did know what to make of all of this but it seemed that at least a dozen or even dozens of students had seen the lights.

[TaraMaiden]

I have always known of reports about UFOs which allegedly descend and ascend out of the water. The reason I don't entirely discount this is because I'm aware of multiple, reliable witnesses who have reported this--including Christopher Columbus on his voyage.

 

After watching a program about this, I suddenly had a scripture verse from Revelation pop into my mind:

 

"And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates." (Revelation 9:13-14 KJV)

 

Considering the conspiracy theories of underwater alien bases, combined with the fact that I have determined aliens are synonymous with angels, suddenly this became a real possibility in my mind.

 

Certain times the bible says things that are just too bizarre and make no sense. This verse is one of them. I mean, an angel bound in a river? What does that mean? It's either all BS or there are things going on entirely out of our current understanding which seem like fiction.

 

The river Euphrates also refers to a flood. (River and flood come from the same classic Greek root...) and the 'four angels' are the different directions, synonymous with the elements, Earth, wind, Fire and Wood. in other words, unleash nature from the deep waters - Water is the fundamental element of Life and gives Life - or can remove it.

It nourishes and controls the other four elements. Therefore, the verse is an exhortation to the trumpeter to play havoc with the weather.

 

That's all.

[M30USA]

I don't like the term USO because it's already taken: United Service Organizations.

 

What's interesting is that certain ocean areas or lakes are hotspots for these sightings, as you said. The Bermuda Triangle is one such place. Did you know Christopher Columbus' sighting took place there? Yes it did! He reported in his journal that a glowing object with multiple lights (shaped like a menorah) was flying in the air and going into the water--even close up to his ship.

[M30USA]

The river Euphrates also refers to a flood. (River and flood come from the same classic Greek root...) and the 'four angels' are the different directions, synonymous with the elements, Earth, wind, Fire and Wood. in other words, unleash nature from the deep waters - Water is the fundamental element of Life and gives Life - or can remove it.

It nourishes and controls the other four elements. Therefore, the verse is an exhortation to the trumpeter to play havoc with the weather.

 

That's all.

 

What about the angel that appeared in the form of a man to Mary before Jesus was born? Was that merely referring to the elements of Earth, Wind, Fire and Wood? I guess these elements can cause a virgin woman to conceive the Son of God?

[TaraMaiden]

What's interesting is that certain ocean areas or lakes are hotspots for these sightings, as you said. The Bermuda Triangle is one such place.

 

It's utter claptrap.

 

Did you know Christopher Columbus' sighting took place there? Yes it did! He reported in his journal that a glowing object with multiple lights (shaped like a menorah) was flying in the air and going into the water--even close up to his ship.

 

More claptrap.

[Robert Z]

Proof exists to countermand and explain what you refer to as UFO activity/paranormal phenomena.

 

 

M30 and I are in very different camps but I would like to see you support that statement.

 

 

For example, please explain the Iran 1976 UFO event with evidence.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/routing_slip_ufo_iran.pdf

[M30USA]

M30 and I are in very different camps but I would like to see you support that statement.

 

 

For example, please explain the Iran 1976 UFO event with evidence.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/routing_slip_ufo_iran.pdf

 

That UFO incident from Iran is nothing short of mind-blowing.

[crederer]

I dunno about religious reasons or anything but there are a lot of very credible people that have nothing to gain and everything to lose that have talked about seeing aliens.

 

For example, military pilots, astro/cosmonauts as well as respected former politicians.

 

That's obviously not solid proof, but intriguing non the less.

[Robert Z]

That UFO incident from Iran is nothing short of mind-blowing.

 

 

 

I really didn't believe it for a long time. Before the internet came of age, it was just another unsupported document making the rounds that couldn't be verified. I never really imagined that it was legitimate. But when the NSA files came online I found it there myself. Since then I have also seen interviews with both pilots and the General involved. The story was tracked by both the DoD and the CIA. US intelligence officials investigated the events directly and stamped the report as credible.

 

 

Perhaps most significantly, it has been long enough now that we can have high confidence that it wasn't secret US, Soviet, or Chinese technology. So then what could it have been?

 

 

I'm not big on any particular explanation for events like this but they can't be logically denied either.

[M30USA]

I really didn't believe it for a long time. Before the internet came of age, it was just another unsupported document making the rounds that couldn't be verified. I never really imagined that it was legitimate. But when the NSA files came online I found it there myself. Since then I have also seen interviews with both pilots and the General involved. The story was tracked by both the DoD and the CIA. US intelligence officials investigated the events directly and stamped the report as credible.

 

 

Perhaps most significantly, it has been long enough now that we can have high confidence that it wasn't secret US, Soviet, or Chinese technology. So then what could it have been?

 

 

I'm not big on any particular explanation for events like this but they can't be logically denied either.

 

Good points.

 

If you study what Scripture says (not what the church says) about angels and get out a sheet of paper, try taking a stab at the following questions:

 

Assuming these angels of Scripture are real, what would the phenomenon look like in modern times? How would it "play out"? What would people be reporting? What would be their response? What would be the government's response? Would the phenomenon be elusive or out in the open?

 

The answers to these questions are EXACTLY what's going on today as we speak. Yet few people recognize it. This is partly because of lack of knowledge of scripture, and partly because of laziness.

Edited December 15, 2013 by M30USA

[Robert Z]

The ancient alien idea is intriguing but why limit it to Biblical events? Why not include the Mahabharata, Egyptian gods, Greek gods, Mesoamerican gods...? If you consider one source in this context how can you logically reject any? Independent cultures from all over the globe have legends of sky gods who fly around on crafts and even engage in wars in the sky.

Edited December 15, 2013 by Robert Z

[William]

Members, let's direct the discussion to UFO's/aliens under the oceans and any connections they may have to belief systems or written history. This isn't a thread about whose belief system is more accurate or books are more authentic. LoveShack isn't about those kinds of pissing contests. This is a forum to contemplate one's place and purpose in the universe. Some editing has been performed. Thanks!

[M30USA]

The ancient alien idea is intriguing but why limit it to Biblical events? Why not include the Mahabharata, Egyptian gods, Greek gods, Mesoamerican gods...? If you consider one source in this context how can you logically reject any? Independent cultures from all over the globe have legends of sky gods who fly around on crafts and even engage in wars in the sky.

 

I do include those other myths--but only inasmuch as they contain SHREDS of truth which have been distorted to varying degrees. I believe the Bible, more than any ancient text, has the most accurate and meaningful account of who these beings are and what their role is. As scant as their mention in the Bible is, it still offers us a better picture than other texts and religions as far as what it all "means". For example, other texts may correctly discuss that an angel/alien visited earth. But what it misrepresents is WHO the being was and WHY they came. The Bible has this nailed.

[Robert Z]

Shag Harbor is probably one of the most famous USO stories.

UFO Files - Canada's Roswell Full Episode - YouTube

 

 

And you have to be very careful when googling Shag Harbor!

[Robert Z]

I do include those other myths--but only inasmuch as they contain SHREDS of truth which have been distorted to varying degrees. I believe the Bible, more than any ancient text, has the most accurate and meaningful account of who these beings are and what their role is. As scant as their mention in the Bible is, it still offers us a better picture than other texts and religions as far as what it all "means". For example, other texts may correctly discuss that an angel/alien visited earth. But what it misrepresents is WHO the being was and WHY they came. The Bible has this nailed.

 

 

 

What about the Apocrypha? Enoch is a total mind blow. And why do you believe the Bible is uniquely accurate about this?

[M30USA]

What about the Apocrypha? Enoch is a total mind blow. And why do you believe the Bible is uniquely accurate about this?

 

Enoch, I have determined after much research, is authentic and inspired by the Holy Spirit. I'm sure you are aware that it's referenced in Jude. This leaves us with only 2 options: either Enoch is authentic, or there was a previous version of Enoch which was authentic.

 

Enoch is fragmented. But what we have remaining is definitely mind-blowing. I recall first reading it when I was younger and having the objection, "Wait! Angels don't have their own wills. Enoch spoke as if angels can do whatever they want!"

 

But after more study of angels in accepted Scripture, I realized that angels most certainly do have free will. In addition to free will, they have: intellect, emotion, technology, compassion, vengeance, etc. Basically they are like humans except more advanced in all areas.

 

Here's a great summary of angels for those who are interested:

 

Edited December 15, 2013 by M30USA

[jimloveslips]

I have determined, after much research*, that the Loch Ness Monster ate the only true alien invasion.

 

 

*Beer.

[Robert Z]

One thing is certain. If we have visitors, then any technology capable of bringing them here would surely be capable of handling a few feet of water.

[Robert Z]

This was an interesting story