Islam VS Catholicism

[angel1987]

Instead of talking about which of the 2 is a better religion, why don't we talk about the similarities of these 2 religion. You can tell about Islam alone and Christianity alone and let's wait for someone to connect the details. Let's make love not war in here. Let this be a place for us to understand our differences.

[skydiveaddict]

Let's make love not war in here. Let this be a place for us to understand our differences.

 

A noble gesture. But naive. Sunnis and Shiites have been murdering each other for centuries. Get the Taliban involved and it's even worse. They can't even stop murdering people of their own religion.

 

Believe me when I tell you, this problem has been going on for centuries.

 

And Islam of any sort condemns Christianity.

[Allumere]

And the Christians have never killed anybody.....wrong answer Skydiveaddict. Last I checked the Protestant and Catholics still don't much care for each other in Ireland. And don't give me Catholics aren't Christians, I have heard that one too.

 

I think Angel is presenting a good opportunity for folks to learn. Understanding the beliefs of a faith, whether one agrees or not, goes a long way to understanding how people live their lives, react to problems, etc. It also usually define the lines of the generally held belief verses the variations and extremes that we see exist in many faiths.

[taiko]

Both believe they are following the complete revelation of the God of Abraham. Both believe Jesus was born to the virgin Mary and will make a second coming to earth. Islam sort of views Christians as Christians view Judaism, that they have part of the message right but did not continue with God's further revelations. So Islam sees Christianity and Judaism as "true" while Christians see Islam as false but Judaism as true.

[taiko]

I assume the Catholic Church is the dominate Christian sect where you are from the thread title to Christian ears reads like comparing Christianity to Shia Islam specifically. In church political models, if not in the percentage of adherents.

[StringsAttached]

A noble gesture. But naive. Sunnis and Shiites have been murdering each other for centuries. Get the Taliban involved and it's even worse. They can't even stop murdering people of their own religion.

 

Believe me when I tell you, this problem has been going on for centuries.

 

And Islam of any sort condemns Christianity.

 

Wrong. Islam believes that Christians are people of the book and that they do worship the one God. Unfortunately, Islam does not believe that Jesus is God.

 

People murder people. It's a fact of life. US started the whole Taliban and Al Qaeda thing and then literally commit genocide by 'cleansing' Iraq? Nobody says that Christianity is against Islam so why do people say Islam is against Christianity? Because BBC or CNN show crazy mullah terrorists burning the US flag and yelling 'death to infidelsss!!!'?

 

I don't understand how people let a few dark sheep pollute the image of an entire religion. It's absurd. Mafia vs. upstanding Italians, Somalians vs Pirates, Terrorists vs. Islam.

[Clair93]

Instead of talking about which of the 2 is a better religion, why don't we talk about the similarities of these 2 religion. You can tell about Islam alone and Christianity alone and let's wait for someone to connect the details. Let's make love not war in here. Let this be a place for us to understand our differences.

 

I'm sure there are similarities between most religions. The thing is that there are serious incompatibilities in core principles of Islam and Christianity (say the nature of Muhammad and Jesus) so you can't just connect the details. No Muslim would agree that Jesus is God (or son of God) because this is against the core teachings of Islam and it's considered Shirk (the most serious and the only unforgivable sin in Islam), or that he died for our sins, and no Christian would agree that Muhammad was a real messenger of God.

[Arieswoman]

Here is an interesting link that sets out all the information ;-

 

Islam and Christianity - A Comparison of the Bible with the Teachings of Muhammad - Koran

[gaius]

As gross as it sounds Islam is really just repackaged Christianity with a middle eastern twist. It wasn't like Muhammad came up with anything revolutionary on the world stage. But then again Christianity is just repackaged Judaism with a European twist. So good for whoever came up with Judaism in the first place. Or whoever came up with the religion Judaism repackaged that we never heard of.

[skydiveaddict]

And the Christians have never killed anybody.....wrong answer Skydiveaddict.

 

I never said they didn't.

 

And don't give me Catholics aren't Christians, I have heard that one too.

 

lol. I am catholic. Wrong answer Allumere.

 

I think Angel is presenting a good opportunity for folks to learn.

 

If you had ever been over there you would understand.

[darkmoon]

Here is an interesting link that sets out all the information ;-

 

Islam and Christianity - A Comparison of the Bible with the Teachings of Muhammad - Koran

 

 

 

So why do Muslims - remarkably fleeing wars of their own making - seek asylum in Christian countries?

Edited January 5, 2014 by darkmoon

[Allumere]

@ Skyaddict

 

- 12 years private Catholic school, mass everyday, Catholic retreat leader, practicing Catholic til I was 30. Two of my close male friends are in fact priest. Christians don't consider Catholics to be Christian because of doctrine and because of their understanding of Baptism. I don't personally agree with that point.

 

- Don't need to go over there to understand the ugliness of extremists and that they are not and accurate reflection of the core doctrine of a religion. That said, I have much more knowledge about over there than the average person and I will leave it at that.

[OpenBook]

Christians don't consider Catholics to be Christian because of doctrine and because of their understanding of Baptism.

 

Really? I wasn't aware of that.

 

So confusing, all the different interpretations of doctrine - on all sides of the equation - Christian, Catholic, Judaism, Islam.

[Arieswoman]

Dark moon,

 

you said

 

So why do Muslims - remarkably fleeing wars of their own making - seek asylum in Christian countries?

 

I would be interested to have the answer to that.

They hate us because we are "infidels" or "kaffurs" but interestingly enough they don't hate our benefits and financial handouts.

[Allumere]

Really? I wasn't aware of that.

 

So confusing, all the different interpretations of doctrine - on all sides of the equation - Christian, Catholic, Judaism, Islam.

 

LOL..it certainly is. At times it can make your head hurt. Not that I would say Wiki is the end all cure all for correct information, but if you look out there about different Christian Denominations and then see all the breakouts...it's rather surprising.

 

That said, it is also very interesting. A person's faith or belief system says a lot about how they tick and IMHO it makes it much easier to relate and converse with them but of course isn't mandatory.

[skydiveaddict]

@ Skyaddict

 

- 12 years private Catholic school, mass everyday,

 

Me too. And therefore what?

 

Two of my close male friends are in fact priest.

 

So are two of my cousins and my own brother. Again, so what?

 

- Don't need to go over there to understand the ugliness of extremists and that they are not and accurate reflection of the core doctrine of a religion. That said, I have much more knowledge about over there than the average person and I will leave it at that.

 

You should leave it at that because you don't have a clue about what you are saying.

[Allumere]

@Skyaddict: Stating I was raised Catholic and am now Christian and therefore have an understanding of the various flavors or extremes of religions that are Christ central. Reference to priest friends is that we have had these discussions many, many times.

 

By what I do for a living I know exactly what has gone on over there just as others.

 

Again the point is to fine common ground and some understanding.

[skydiveaddict]

@Skyaddict: Stating I was raised Catholic and am now Christian and therefore have an understanding of the various flavors or extremes of religions that are Christ central. Reference to priest friends is that we have had these discussions many, many times.

 

So what?

 

By what I do for a living I know exactly what has gone on over there just as others.

 

That's bull****. If you have never been there then you don't know what it is like.

 

Again the point is to fine common ground and some understanding.

 

No, the point is you don't know what you are talking about.

[A.Moscote]

In general both the Quran and the Bible stand on the same ground in regard to the moral and ethical values of a society. So both followers should be able to work together in many issues e.g. homeless, orphan, environmental, drug, safety, finance etc.

 

...Sunnis and Shiites have been murdering each other for centuries...

 

Now regarding the Sunni and Shiite division, it involves more than just religion. Many other factors contribute to that unacceptable behavior between them such as cultural, political, maturity and acceptance towards human values and so on. Google about the concept of "asabiyyah" to understand how it affects the middle eastern.

 

Looking into the last century, the West has shown more progress in human values, rights, freedom, and tolerance. So for the Muslim in the west, they are in a better situation in that aspects, and hence the division between the Sunni and the Shiite is less likely to be violent and irrational.

[Philosoraptor]

Man, religion makes people act crazy. What ever happened to tolerance? And why must we make our decisions based on the actions of others? Why must we be intolerant because another group is said to be intolerant themselves? What happened to the golden rule, treating others how you want to be treated? Why must we treat others how they are perceived to be treating us?

 

Chris Rock in Dogma:

[Allumere]

@skyaddict: look, there is no reason to be an a##. You are not the only person in the world that has been there and knows what is going on. You are not the only person who has been on the receiving end or has lost friends or family to the extremist. You know nothing about me so slow your roll.

[Madman81]

A religious conflict is basically a fight over who has the better imaginary friend.

-- Whoever said it first

[carhill]

Similarities IME:

 

Both reference an extra-human power

 

Both apparently espouse an afterlife (post-death) existence

 

Both appear to have their followers spending a lot of time on their knees.

[mercuryshadow]

Both are Abrahamic religions. Both believe in the virgin birth of Jesus. Outwardly, both take on a very conservative appearance, but both also have esoteric and mystical aspects/practices such as charismatic healing in the Catholic church, and Sufism in Islam.

 

I did the catholic thing until I was about 19... Being a very open spiritual person now, I'd like to learn a bit about Sufism.

Edited January 8, 2014 by mercuryshadow

[Scott Thomas]

As gross as it sounds Islam is really just repackaged Christianity with a middle eastern twist. It wasn't like Muhammad came up with anything revolutionary on the world stage. But then again Christianity is just repackaged Judaism with a European twist. So good for whoever came up with Judaism in the first place. Or whoever came up with the religion Judaism repackaged that we never heard of.

 

Jesus, as we know him through history, was born and lived in the Holy Land i.e. near Jerusalem. That is the Middle East. So, I'd say that Christianity, or at least as it was known back in 100 AD during the Roman Era, was originally a middle eastern religion. The reason the pope was based in Rome was because of the city's influence as the capital of the Roman Empire. The Patriarchs/bishops in Constantinople and Alexandria also exercised considerable authority. So, while the current Roman Catholic Church is predominantly influenced by its European history, Christianity as a whole, in doctrines and historical development, is not limited to this continent.