Islam VS Catholicism

[darkmoon]

• Not bombing the crap out of Syrian civilians to make yourself look popular (thank god the Parliament voted against that)
  
• Not start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan you can't finish
  
• Not start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for huge construction contracts for your friends
  
• Allow Middle Eastern countries to deal with some of the conflicts themselves amongst each other without getting involved in a gung ho manner
  
• Don't start wars based on your need for resources
  

These would be a good start to settle debt. Having a few thousand refugees make absolutely no difference in the big scheme of things. Once you have more stability in the world (ie if you don't start wars in the first place ), you will have fewer people knocking on your door.

 

 

sources please

[Emilia]

sources please

Sources? For what has been happening today? Don't you watch the news, talk to people, listen to what goes on around you? Any of these things I have just mentioned are news to you?

[GorillaTheater]

The very one you live in. Also the US - used to be part of the British Empire, all the Commonwealth. France, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands.

How? Empire.

 

And Belgium. They made a BUNDLE from the Congo.

[Emilia]

And Belgium. They made a BUNDLE from the Congo.

Oh yes. That still continues. People don't realise the chopping off hands was started by the Belgians by the way, they think it's an African invention. The 'primitives'

[darkmoon]

• Not bombing the crap out of Syrian civilians to make yourself look popular (thank god the Parliament voted against that)
  
• Not start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan you can't finish
  
• Not start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for huge construction contracts for your friends
  
• Allow Middle Eastern countries to deal with some of the conflicts themselves amongst each other without getting involved in a gung ho manner
  
• Don't start wars based on your need for resources
  

These would be a good start to settle debt. Having a few thousand refugees make absolutely no difference in the big scheme of things. Once you have more stability in the world (ie if you don't start wars in the first place ), you will have fewer people knocking on your door.

 

 

still asking for the full and final amount owed for the empire, these countries are not never were part of the empire

[Emilia]

still asking for the full and final amount owed for the empire, these countries are not never were part of the empire

Here ya go, on Iran-Britain relations for example:

 

Iran?United Kingdom relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[darkmoon]

Here ya go, on Iran-Britain relations for example:

 

Iran?United Kingdom relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

still asking how much is owed for the empire once and for all?

[Emilia]

still asking how much is owed for the empire once and for all?

Overall? Adding up world wars, the last thousand years... dunno. I'd say you are not even close.

[darkmoon]

Oh yes. That still continues. People don't realise the chopping off hands was started by the Belgians by the way, they think it's an African invention. The 'primitives'

 

 

why did Muslims copy old Belgium and chop people's hands off?

[GorillaTheater]

still asking how much is owed for the empire once and for all?

 

I think Emilia's answer was very reasonable. Essentially, try harder to stay out of their sh*t. Big win for both sides if we can accomplish that. Or we can have more Irans, Iraqs, and Libyas.

[Emilia]

why did Muslims copy old Belgium and chop people's hands off?

I think you should start your hate war somewhere else. I'm sorry but I dislike engaging with bigotted people who just want to spew intolerance. It's incredibly limited.

[Arieswoman]

Emilia,

You said

 

Once you have more stability in the world (ie if you don't start wars in the first place ), you will have fewer people knocking on your door.

 

I don't recall the UK starting the war between Iran/Iraq, the wars in Darfur, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Palestine, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria.

 

In the 1990s violence occurred between Muslims and non-Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kashmir, India, the Philippines, Indonesia, the Middle East, Sudan and Nigeria.

 

Mujahedin fighters from the Afghanistan war were central participants in many of these conflicts as well as in Muslim terrorist organizations in countries throughout the world. In the mid-1990s, roughly half the ethnic conflicts in the world involved Muslims fighting each other or non-Muslims.

 

Now in Syria the different rebel groups are turning on each other and committing atrocities.

 

Draw your own conclusions from this.

[darkmoon]

Overall? Adding up world wars, the last thousand years... dunno. I'd say you are not even close.

 

 

 

I am not trying to be close, you say we owe them for the empire, so how much is the debt in total?

[darkmoon]

I think you should start your hate war somewhere else. I'm sorry but I dislike engaging with bigotted people who just want to spew intolerance. It's incredibly limited.

 

 

 

 

I am asking straight questions, not hating anybody, just asking enlighten me, please

[Arieswoman]

OK, so we are looking at compensation here.

 

So how much do you think that the British Isles are owed by the Italians because of the Roman occupation from AD43 until AD 410 ?

 

You can round up the figure to the nearest denarii.

[Scott Thomas]

I don't know that it would be useful to get into a pissing match over who killed more, although the Muslim conquest of everything between Tangier and the Burmese border, and their involvement in the slave trade which has never completely ended, might provide an interesting discussion and comparison.

 

But the fact is that, other than scrapes in former Yugoslavia and the Caucasus, there hasn't been much Christianity-driven warfare in a hundred years or more. Yet since the 70s, it would be hard to even list or estimate the magnitude of Islam-driven violence.

 

It's probably a phase. Most religions seem to go through it. The question is how bad things are going to get before they calm down.

 

 

My intention here isn't to start a debate about who committed more acts of violence. Pardon me if that seems to be the case.

 

My aim as to show the poster that the 'they're beneath me because of the God they worship' attitude he/she has adopted is prejudiced.

 

The point that I'm trying to make is that I disagree with the notion that the conflicts within a certain geo-political area stem from the religious beliefs of the people residing there. There are instances of religion being used as a catalyst to instigate war or justify violence. However, I believe that 'war' depends more on the social, economic and political factors that impact a community. Religion may be used by certain groups to attract followers. However, to suggest that the reason behind all conflicts in the developing countries is because of their religious beliefs seems rather crude. That's why I gave her a short history lesson.

 

We're diverting from the topic here. Let's get back to it.

[Scott Thomas]

OK, so we are looking at compensation here.

 

So how much do you think that the British Isles are owed by the Italians because of the Roman occupation from AD43 until AD 410 ?

 

You can round up the figure to the nearest denarii.

 

The Roman Empire doesn't exist. Though if you suggest, we could dig up Caeser and ask him for reparations.

[Scott Thomas]

The original poster specifically asked for an engaging debate on the things that bring us closer, not the issues that divide us. You're free to start your own thread but please refrain from diverting this one. We've got enough distrust in the real world, no need to start bashing other people online.

[skydiveaddict]

The original poster specifically asked for an engaging debate on the things that bring us closer, not the issues that divide us.

 

That is not realistic. Islam will never agree to that. That's just the way it is.

 

Besides, they can't even manage to avoid killing themselves.

[Arieswoman]

I, personally, can't see any common ground between Christianity and Islam.

 

We also need to remember that under Islamic rules the penalty for apostasy is death. What sort of a backward religion is that?

[skydiveaddict]

 

Now regarding the Sunni and Shiite division, it involves more than just religion.

 

No, you're wrong. It is just that simple. And they will happily kill you over it. With one very important exception: The Kurds. Nobody ****s with them. If you harm a Kurd, they will hunt you down and kill your entire family. They have an amazing intelligence network that even the cia can't figure out.

Edited January 10, 2014 by skydiveaddict

[Scott Thomas]

That is not realistic. Islam will never agree to that. That's just the way it is.

 

Besides, they can't even manage to avoid killing themselves.

 

I wouldn't presume what a religion would or would not do. Religions are abstract concepts and they're interpretations depend on the followers. Since they're is a multifaith centre a mile from where I live, and I've seen people from different cultures interact and mingle in a friendly manner (including the members who describe themselves as Muslims), I've got some evidence to prove your hypothesis wrong. They are individuals who want to move forward; I remember a picture in the Time magazine which depicts Egyption Catholics defending their Muslims counterparts as they pray. On the otherhand, you've hit the problem with the brotherhood organisation. So, I'd say that if people abandon their prejudices, anything is possible.

 

As for the killing part, seems that my little history lecture about European/American wars was conveniently ignored. People fight when their interests dictate conflict- when their interests match, the cooperate. The British-American alliance is a perfect example of this theory.

[Scott Thomas]

I, personally, can't see any common ground between Christianity and Islam.

 

We also need to remember that under Islamic rules the penalty for apostasy is death. What sort of a backward religion is that?

 

And the witch hunts, the crusades against the 'pagans' in Toulouse and Northern Germany, the inquisition, burning presumed heretics at stake, and the conflict between Catholics and Protestents in Ireland?

 

We can dig up dirt on anyone we want.

 

I, for one, would live with my fellow men rather than squable over whose God is better.

 

The poster asked for comments regarding the things that are common. Clearly, pointing fingers at each other while conveniently ignoring our own past actions is not limited to any specific group.

[skydiveaddict]

I wouldn't presume what a religion would or would not do. Religions are abstract concepts and they're interpretations depend on the followers.

 

Not over there. It's not abstract in any way. Except like I said the Kurds. Kill one of them and you are history.

 

Since they're is a multifaith centre a mile from where I live, and I've seen people from different cultures interact and mingle in a friendly manner (including the members who describe themselves as Muslims), I've got some evidence to prove your hypothesis wrong. They are individuals who want to move forward;

 

Yea, that's here. Over there it's a whole other world dude.They live by the feud. They think nothing of killing someone who is not their brand of Islam.

Edited January 10, 2014 by skydiveaddict

[Scott Thomas]

My experience as an army officer/ political attaché posted in the Middle East for eight years has taught me enough to realise that only a small, though extremely violent, fraction of the population engages in atrocious activities. So forgive me if I disagree.

 

As for your argument about Kurds, I'm not sure how you want me to respond-they didn't succeed in overthrowing the tyrannical Iraqi regime during the 90s. So I wouldn't really paint them as a modern day Hercules.