DanielFife83 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I think that is smashing my self esteem in women if anyone says a woman is out of my league. women are HUMANS not objects, they can however not be interested in me. Link to post Share on other sites
youdunsay Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 So I have to smash myself against the wall too. Many men are out of my league. I am shorter than 4'9. Link to post Share on other sites
HokeyReligions Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 No one is out of my league, but i was sure out of some of their leagues! LOL 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author DanielFife83 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 So I have to smash myself against the wall too. Many men are out of my league. I am shorter than 4'9. you have low self esteem I Guess. I stated women are people NOT objects what does the term out of your reach mean for a woman? Link to post Share on other sites
Scales Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There are infact "leagues". Your clothes, physical body, and social skills identify it. If you are an average dude wearing a hoodie, light wash boot cut levi jeans, and new balances with no hair product oogling over a hot blonde with perfect hair, double ds, and a tight dress with a designer bag guess what? you're out of her league. Your score is not high enough to compete. Not unless you can talk to her in a way that proves your appearance is deceiving coupled with pulling out some serious dough. This is called value. We are all judging each others value in a potential mate. If you want to attract women you have to demonstrate some form of higher value. Other wise you are stuck in little league where all the chubby women play. If you think this post sounds shallow you are right, but it is also true. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
youdunsay Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Ha ha. Whatever you want to believe, dude. I worked in the pool industry for six years for a company that catered to the top end of the market. A very large portion of our richest clients dressed down bigtime. In fact, you could tell when a $65,000 "millionaire" came into the office because the guy and/or gal was trying so hilariously hard with their fashion, car choice, and whatnot. The truly loaded ones rarely rolled like that. Pool industry? I am pretty dressed down too, ninety percent of the time. But I'm not loaded. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Onethirtyeight Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I think that is smashing my self esteem in women if anyone says a woman is out of my league. women are HUMANS not objects, they can however not be interested in me. There so are leagues. I'd say someone's a league is defined by the amount and quality of people you are competing against for some other person. Its about everyone else you have to stand out from to get a date or whatever with the person everyone else is interested in. Using myself as an example I have maybe 5 chicks talking to me and somewhat interested in me. I'm not stringing them along or anything I'm just not interested in them and I don't put any real moves on them. They are all in the same league as they are all competing for me. This is different than how other people talk about it but it makes more sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Badsingularity Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only place leagues exist are in peoples minds. In my mind there are no leagues. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Uwaae Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I personaaly think that all girls like me. The ones that dont, just havent had the pleasure of getting to know me yet. I think of it like that, before my brain tries to play tricks on me 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CrystalCastles Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There's so much more to a person than just his looks. I've given good men chances, even if, as people on here say, they were "out of my league". And the guys in my league, I've rejected because they would saunter up to me and start acting like complete *********s, simply because they're good-looking and well-dressed and they think I'm going to buy that *********-ness they're selling. Leagues were invented by men who are too pansy to walk up to a beautiful woman and ask her out. So they dismiss this woman as "out of their league", which is complete BS. Link to post Share on other sites
SJC2008 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Leagues exist and I have bad news for the naysayers, it's a socilogical fact that they do. Until seeing Channing Taum like men with obese women and the female equvalent becomes the norm I'll refuse to beleive otherwise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Leigh 87 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There is no such thing as leagues to a very LARGE extent.... TO a point. And I am talking strictly LOOKS. There ARE not really any leagues when it comes to looks.... Unless you are profoundly offensive looking ( very bad teeth and skin at the same time). Well, AWFUL teeth alone will still limit your options. Basically though, as long as you are not morbidly obese, have teeth that are not terribly crooked or really yellow, and you do not have bad acne or a really odd shaped face - then ANYONE NOT in that above category ^^^ can get WHOEVER they want, AS LONG as they are amazing, remarkable and inspiring individuals. Any average person who is curious, likes to read and OR has hobbies and things they enjoy doing and talking about... ANY average person who has a distinct personality that is pleasant - can attain the best people out there, of the very best physical appearance ranking (by societies standards, I realise looks are SUBJECTIVE). In short: the average looking individual who has a great personality can pretty much get anyone, of any "look" or "league" range. Link to post Share on other sites
SJC2008 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Leagues were invented by men who are too pansy to walk up to a beautiful woman and ask her out. So they dismiss this woman as "out of their league", which is complete BS. There's a difference between being a pansy and being a realist. I don't approach beautiful women because they date very good looking men. I'm average/cute, not very good looking. Link to post Share on other sites
Thegreatestthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) It's strange I am a girl and have always dated out of my league,guys that were at least two points above me,10s etc the guys all the girls are stalking. I think the only reason for this is because I never paid them attention,cared about how they looked,listened to them, and treated them kind of badly. I guess it's the same thing for guys who get women out of their league. The boy I'm in involved with now I just cannot tell at all if we are on the same level,he tells me I'm hot etc but I still feel like he is at least one or two points above me.likely he likes me because I don't seem interested in him. I hate reducing people to numerals. Edited January 6, 2014 by Thegreatestthing Link to post Share on other sites
Leigh 87 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 It's strange I am a girl and have always dated out of my league,guys that were at least two points above me,10s etc the guys all the girls are stalking. I think the only reason for this is because I never paid them attention,cared about how they looked,listened to them, and treated them kind of badly. I guess it's the same thing for guys who get women out of their league. The boy I'm in involved with now I just cannot tell at all if we are on the same level,he tells me I'm hot etc but I still feel like he is at least one or two points above me.likely he likes me because I don't seem interested in him. I hate reducing people to numerals. Geez, here's an idea; maybe these guys fell for you because they really LIKED YOU???? It is not all about numbers. We are people. It is not possible to reduce humans selection process in the dating arena, to a bunch of mathematical calculations.... Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 It's strange I am a girl and have always dated out of my league,guys that were at least two points above me,10s etc the guys all the girls are stalking. I think the only reason for this is because I never paid them attention,cared about how they looked,listened to them, and treated them kind of badly. I guess it's the same thing for guys who get women out of their league. The boy I'm in involved with now I just cannot tell at all if we are on the same level,he tells me I'm hot etc but I still feel like he is at least one or two points above me.likely he likes me because I don't seem interested in him. I hate reducing people to numerals. Depends on what they date you for. If it's just for short term relationships/flings then that's just them getting their boots filled. If you actually get them to spend time with you and see you as a serious prospect then power to you. I hardly ever see very good looking men with not that good looking women seriously involved. Yes there are leagues. One thing that put me off the last guy I went out with was when I realised how low his standards were and how low he sat the bar with women. I realised I was out of his league because his expectations were so low. That coupled with other things made me go off him. I prefer men who are confident and value themselves highly. Link to post Share on other sites
Thegreatestthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Well they've all been long term relationships,one was 4 years and his best friend a girl who had a crush on him, left a note on his desk probably for me to see,saying how he could do better than me,and apparently my bf had replied that everyone he'd spoke to had told him I was beautiful and that he preferred me because I wasn't clingy. So they honestly like for the aloof reason I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Shepp Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Theres leagues in all walks of life. Doesn't mean you have to conform to them. If Barnsley can beat Liverpool and then Chelsea in the FA Cup what are leagues to stand in anyone's way! Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Pool industry? I am pretty dressed down too, ninety percent of the time. But I'm not loaded. Pools are pretty interesting. I watched them building the one across the street for about a year. Yep, that guy does dress down too, and drives a dirty pickup most of the time. Heck, he doesn't even live in the house. It's a tax writeoff. It might have been interesting to date his daughter but they don't really socialize with people who fix their stuff. You know, leagues and everything. That's how it goes. Link to post Share on other sites
hudson701 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There are infact "leagues". Your clothes, physical body, and social skills identify it. If you are an average dude wearing a hoodie, light wash boot cut levi jeans, and new balances with no hair product oogling over a hot blonde with perfect hair, double ds, and a tight dress with a designer bag guess what? you're out of her league. Your score is not high enough to compete. Not unless you can talk to her in a way that proves your appearance is deceiving coupled with pulling out some serious dough. This is called value. We are all judging each others value in a potential mate. If you want to attract women you have to demonstrate some form of higher value. Other wise you are stuck in little league where all the chubby women play. If you think this post sounds shallow you are right, but it is also true. Nah, it's bang on. It's around us everyday but people prefer to pretend it doesn't exist in order to avoid facing their own insecurities, and the horrible fact that life is, on a very fundamental level, unfair. Link to post Share on other sites
StanMusial Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 There are leagues. I don't know how any sort of numerical system works. I just know that the bum who asked me for change on the corner when I left work is not in the same league as the tidy professional lady who hurriedly walked around me as I paused. Link to post Share on other sites
Lady2163 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Of course there are "leagues" Most people have focused on looks, but education, socio economic status, family life, age also count in the mix. I have a Bachelors degree and am upper middle class. I'm obese. Yet, there is probably no way I would be in a relationship with a man who is not fiscally repsonsible. Hey - they could probably be poor, just don't spend more than you make. Nor would I be in a relationship with someone who only has an 8th grade education. It wouldn't matter to me if they were drop dead gorgeous. I may be fat, but I want someone who has my money values and goals and has a high school diploma. Age...I'm 44 and I do consider myself out of the league of someone 55 and older, just like most 34 year old men don't have the interest for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Author DanielFife83 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 women are not objects they are people this is stereotyping, saying ones like Miss America or really pretty ones are "ones you wont have" how do I change my self to be in everyones league? Link to post Share on other sites
Lady2163 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You can't be in everyone's league, not truly. Why would you want to be? Like I said, if I met a man who had never traveled, never read a book, dropped out of school at age 14, only made $20K a year, had an arrest record 20 pages long...I'm out of his league and I don't want to be in his league. If you want to date up....I think this goes for both men and women....improve your appearance. That can cost money and make you question your masculinity, no matter how macho they make the product, a lot of men balk at facial care. Link to post Share on other sites
MrMeh Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 In the context of initial appearances, I believe it a unanimous consensus that there are leagues. By this I mean that if you stare at somebody because they are attractive,fit,taller,or your ideal type, you might fill a little intimidated. The secondary traits that are evident through communication could further the "league" gap, but only after being acquainted with them. Link to post Share on other sites
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