truthbetold Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Question: Which of the following were not acceptable offerings, back in the day? (Exodus, Tabernacle Offerings) YarnSea Cow HidesRed Ram SkinsGoat HairWoodNone of the above #2 !!! Is there a prize? Seriously this is fantastic. I was just discussing this with my husband last night as he sometimes has difficulty with the OT so he never realized what God commanded to be used for the Ark and all of the adornments. Can anyone point to me some type of visual that shows how the Ark with the tent cloth and veils? In particular it says the cloth was twined with the violet, purple and scarlet yarn with the cherubim embroidered on them. Just one cherubim? I really want to be able to picture this! Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Is the answer seriously SEA COW HIDES??? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I'm gonna guess #6 (none of the above). Doesn't a sacrifice have to involve the shedding of blood and death of an animal? After this question is answered I need to read this again in the Word and commentaries. From what I remember it needed to be a specific animal, but not sure if this was the case since the sacrifices began. I can't wait to discuss this question! Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 You know, That could be true. That's a problem when you had original Hebrew, Greek to what we are now reading. Capital letters vs no caps etc... I found some more interesting math for you! SEVENTY TIMES SEVEN all numbers have meanings.. seven is the number for completness or wholeness (we know this illustrated below) seventy is the number of .. perfection ..(this is something I read but it would make sense if the following is true: so in essence Jesus was saying FORGIVE your brother PERFECTLY AND COMPLETELY Further: In Genesis 4:24 Cain is avenged 7 times and Lamech<Cain's distant grandson> said that because he killed a man that he would be avenged 70 times= 77 Jesus uses that number to counterpoint hatred into forgiveness. Matthews Jewish audience would have known what the significance of the number meant!Gen:23 Lamech said to his wives: "Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; you wives of Lamech, hearken to what I say: I have slain a man for wounding me, a young man for striking me. If Cain is avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy-sevenfold." To illustrate perfection of 7 Seven Churches of Asia (in Revelations) Seven Churches of Rome (the main churches for pilgrimage in ancient times) Seven Councils (first seven ecumenical councils for both eastern and western churches) Seven Deacons (first seven helpers ordained by the Apostles) Seven Gifts (of the Holy Spirit) Seven Sacraments (you know them already) Seven Words of Christ (last words spoken by Christ on the Cross) Hi Pure, Interesting Question! I went back to Matt 24:15 reading through the parable of the ten virgins to come up with my answer! I believe in a mix of preterist and the final judgement has not come. In Matt 24:15 Jesus speaks of "Abomination of Desolation" now I have two bibles. One a NASB and also a NAB (of course I'm Catholic!) Here's the thing I found interesting. My original Bible NASB and I like it because the Lord's words are in red, doesn't have the 7 missing books that the original Bible contained. So as you know, there are passages in scripture that link up or "complete' other passages and go from OT to NT etc... The missing piece from most Bibles is that the above Abomination of Desolation refers to 1 Maccabees 54 where King Antioches erected a huge idol of Zeus in the temple. Well if you're familiar with any mythology they did believe in the powers of things that were happening when they prayed to all of their gods. (sea, love, wisdom etc etc) Well of course this was an abomination to God and reading it in context makes sense that Jesus would mention it to them, as that is the prophecy Daniel speaks of in 9:27 and of course the audience at the time would remember that Abomination of Zeus. We won't if we don't have all the pieces! Also an interesting fact is that there was a 7 year tribulation before with the Abomination of Desolation as there was a 7 year tribulation for what Jesus was speaking about in Matthew for the fall of Jerusalem 70 AD! Not to say he doesn't forewarn us like in the Parable of the 10 virgins to always be ready. Keep you light trimmed with oil and have enough! Be ready always for you do not and cannot know, even the angels who stand with God do not know only the Father knows. I like all Catholics, do believe in the 2nd coming. We don't believe it happens in stages though or that it will be a secret. When he comes, he will come in glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will have no end. So really we could be considered in a sort of tribulation now. Look at what's happening with gay marriages etc that was never part of God's plan for marriage so that's an abomination. All of the abortions since Roe vs Wade is certainly an abomination. Just the condition of the world in general. But the good news is he's there ready to forgive (I know you know that!) repent and seek forgiveness! I do think it's important now more than ever perhaps to spread the good news and as we say, to go out in the world glorifying the Lord with our life! Thank you both for the discussion! Fantastic questions raised! So good to discuss the good things of God! I am thinking about starting a thread to explain needless bias against the Catholics and what "truly" is a Catholic. I have a lot of info that I've saved when I explored other religions before fully committing to Catholicism that may be of interest. I see a lot of erroneous beliefs. One that I've seen more than once is Catholics aren't Christians!? What?? Yes, we most certainly are, first and foremost. But thank you I enjoyed the research! Thank you so much TBT, it gives me an idea of where you're coming from. I'm thinking we believe a little different, but want to touch on this first. Of course Catholics are Christian. I haven't followed the discussions lately, but thinking it's more about doctrine than anything, doctrinal differences. Denomination doesn't save, Jesus does. So far there has only been one church that I've attended where the doctrine was right on the money. This church was amazing and TOTALLY led by the Spirit. Wow, this is something that everyone IMO should experience. Imagine going to a church where nothing is planned, meaning no set program- just the flow of the Spirit. Just thinking about it puts me in the presence of God. I think a thread would be good discussing the Catholic faith, there are many Catholics that post on LS and some former. You're a doll if you are female, if you are male you are cool. Thank you for the discussion! Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 Are we gonna get the answer from Pie2 or what? Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Question: Which of the following were not acceptable offerings, back in the day? (Exodus, Tabernacle Offerings) YarnSea Cow HidesRed Ram SkinsGoat HairWoodNone of the above The answer is....6! Heehee!! I was reading in the New International Reader's Version, and Exodus 25:1-7 said all of the above were acceptable offerings for the Tabernacle. I was laughing, just imaging us upholding OT practices and bringing goat hair and sea cow hides to church as an offering. Exodus 25: 1-7 NIRV - Offerings for the Holy Tent - The LORD - Bible Gateway Hey, isn't that a trip that when the Ark of the Covenant surfaces, the original ashes from the very first sacrifice(?) are in it…you know I can't remember when they started that practice (not sacrifices, but saving a bit from the last sacrifice) Pih, can you explain a little more about the Ark surfacing? I don't know too much about the topic. Is it part of biblical prophecy? I'll say all of the above were not acceptable offerings. Notice googling isn't permitted. Is looking it up in the Bible permitted? (didn't look this one up) No looking in the Bible (tangible version) either! #2 !!! Is there a prize? Seriously this is fantastic. I was just discussing this with my husband last night as he sometimes has difficulty with the OT so he never realized what God commanded to be used for the Ark and all of the adornments. Can anyone point to me some type of visual that shows how the Ark with the tent cloth and veils? In particular it says the cloth was twined with the violet, purple and scarlet yarn with the cherubim embroidered on them. Just one cherubim? I really want to be able to picture this! Are these the kind of images you're looking for? I'm not sure :/ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GF0KEy-tqTo/SK_rlJDQqgI/AAAAAAAAAKo/a37PO8dFRhw/s400/the+new+ark.jpg http://www.topsecretwriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/arkofcovenant.jpg?9d7bd4 http://thecripplegate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Tabernacle1.png 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 I was dead wrong on this. I didn't know there were non-animal sacrifices. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Next question... What did John the Baptist eat? A) fish B) swine C) nuts and berries D) locusts and honey E) pomegranate and milk F) tacos Edited February 25, 2014 by M30USA 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Next question... What did John the Baptist eat? A) fish B) swine C) nuts and berries D) locusts and honey E) pomegranate and milk F) tacos Kosher Tacos:p No, D…. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I was dead wrong on this. I didn't know there were non-animal sacrifices. I guess there are all sorts of offerings. Why Give? - Tithes, Offerings & First Fruits - 30 Bible Basics - #GTH Blog Offerings and Sacrifices - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online The second link is really long. I skimmed a little, and I guess there were grain, drink, peace, burnt, guilt and sin offerings, and I'm sure there's more. Next question... What did John the Baptist eat? A) fish B) swine C) nuts and berries D) locusts and honey E) pomegranate and milk F) tacos I'm going with D, too (well, at least D). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Pih, can you explain a little more about the Ark surfacing? I don't know too much about the topic. Is it part of biblical prophecy? I'll try to keep this short, although the Ark of the Covenant is essential for the Jewish people to start up sacrifices again IMO …I mean like the right way for purification. It contains the ashes of the first red heifer sacrificed. I'll have to study the significance of the red heifer, but I know there is much significance. The Temple Institute: The Tenth Red Heifer This is an interesting read. I don't quite understand the "Messiah" part, but I think the other info is accurate. Rumor control says the Ark is stashed somewhere in Ethiopia, but who knows? If memory serves me correct, one of the original tribes is said to have possession of it. https://www.templeinstitute.org/ark_of_the_covenant.htm I love this subject Pie, and the Ark is very much in Bible Prophecy. I forget the chain of events, and the way I learned them may not be the sequence of events that actually goes down. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I guess there are all sorts of offerings. Why Give? - Tithes, Offerings & First Fruits - 30 Bible Basics - #GTH Blog Offerings and Sacrifices - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online The second link is really long. I skimmed a little, and I guess there were grain, drink, peace, burnt, guilt and sin offerings, and I'm sure there's more. I'm going with D, too (well, at least D). Just gives you the munchies thinking about it eh? Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I had no idea either that there were so many, and also though it was strictly animal. Amen Pie and thank you:D 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 Pure, I've also heard that the Ark is possibly in Ethiopia. There are 2 main reasons why this could be true: 1) It seems from Scripture that the Ark was last mentioned being taken by King Solomon towards the direction of Ethiopia. 2) The Ethiopian Jews, who by the way are the world's most genetically pure Jews, CLAIM that the Ark is in the basement of their main temple. The temple is guarded by military day and night. Whether or not this is true, it's a fact that these people CLAIM they have the Ark. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Just gives you the munchies thinking about it eh? Mmmmm! Well, minus the locust part. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Pure, I've also heard that the Ark is possibly in Ethiopia. There are 2 main reasons why this could be true: 1) It seems from Scripture that the Ark was last mentioned being taken by King Solomon towards the direction of Ethiopia. 2) The Ethiopian Jews, who by the way are the world's most genetically pure Jews, CLAIM that the Ark is in the basement of their main temple. The temple is guarded by military day and night. Whether or not this is true, it's a fact that these people CLAIM they have the Ark. Ok this is what I heard also, possibly saw this in a documentary. It made the most sense of any of the other possibilities. God's real weird about His Ark and I just can't see it being in the hands of anyone but the Jews. It makes sense that the Ethiopians are most genetically pure…it just all makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 And to think Solomon could have saved himself about 10000 sheep when dedicating the alter and thrown a blue whale on the altar Speaking of that, when Solomon dedicated the temple, the bible states the glory of God filled the temple... What happened to the priest A) The ministered to the Lord B) The could not stand and had to leave C) They made atonement for the future D) They prayed the special prayer... Spoiler: Audio Bible KJV by Alexander Scourby 2 Chronicles .swf - YouTube ------ A bit of alternative bible trivia... When shot in the chest would you rather have... A) Luck that it misses your heart B) A bible in your front pocket C) An untested bullet proof vest... Spoiler.... Bible RTA bus driver shooting: Bible in front pocket saves Dayton bus driver's life - Local News Story 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 True of false...(my students like these over multiple choice ) The priests used a special set of gems to determine the Will of the Lord, particularly for battle? T or F? Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 True of false...(my students like these over multiple choice ) The priests used a special set of gems to determine the Will of the Lord, particularly for battle? T or F? False? I know priests had gems as part of garments, etc, but I don't recall anything about using them to find God's will. I don't want to say it didn't happen because some OT rituals truly did seem superstitious and ritualistic. BTW, what kind of class do you teach? Link to post Share on other sites
truthbetold Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Thank you so much TBT, it gives me an idea of where you're coming from. I'm thinking we believe a little different, but want to touch on this first. Of course Catholics are Christian. I haven't followed the discussions lately, but thinking it's more about doctrine than anything, doctrinal differences. Denomination doesn't save, Jesus does. So far there has only been one church that I've attended where the doctrine was right on the money. This church was amazing and TOTALLY led by the Spirit. Wow, this is something that everyone IMO should experience. Imagine going to a church where nothing is planned, meaning no set program- just the flow of the Spirit. Just thinking about it puts me in the presence of God. I think a thread would be good discussing the Catholic faith, there are many Catholics that post on LS and some former. You're a doll if you are female, if you are male you are cool. Thank you for the discussion! Yes! I've been to a couple Life in the Spirit Seminars which are 8 weeks usually right after Easter and they are fantastic! They start with praise and worship songs. Usually like Here I am to Worship, or Open the Eyes of my Heart etc... they break into groups to discuss things. A book is given that you contemplate on the scripture passage daily but you discuss weekly how God is working in your life that week. Triumphs, challenges things like that. At the end you are prayed over with the Holy Spirit. WOW! Anyway I'm female! Looking back my user name sounds so hard nosed and it's nothing like me! And according to M30USA description of "typical Christian women" I don't fit that either! (where does he get this stuff?) So fantastic, I will go through my stuff that I've compiled and see if I can't get a thread going on the "good" things of Catholic! Again, thank you for your kindness. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 True of false...(my students like these over multiple choice ) The priests used a special set of gems to determine the Will of the Lord, particularly for battle? T or F? I'm going to say true... Link to post Share on other sites
BeingMe Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 True of false...(my students like these over multiple choice ) The priests used a special set of gems to determine the Will of the Lord, particularly for battle? T or F? True. Urim and Thummim 1 Link to post Share on other sites
truthbetold Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 The answer is....6! Heehee!! I was reading in the New International Reader's Version, and Exodus 25:1-7 said all of the above were acceptable offerings for the Tabernacle. I was laughing, just imaging us upholding OT practices and bringing goat hair and sea cow hides to church as an offering. Exodus 25: 1-7 NIRV - Offerings for the Holy Tent - The LORD - Bible Gateway Pih, can you explain a little more about the Ark surfacing? I don't know too much about the topic. Is it part of biblical prophecy? No looking in the Bible (tangible version) either! Are these the kind of images you're looking for? I'm not sure :/ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GF0KEy-tqTo/SK_rlJDQqgI/AAAAAAAAAKo/a37PO8dFRhw/s400/the+new+ark.jpg http://www.topsecretwriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/arkofcovenant.jpg?9d7bd4 http://thecripplegate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Tabernacle1.png Oh wow Pie, I'm humbled and speechless! That's truly awesome (and not the way we throw around the word to describe pizza!) Seriously thank you. I tried googling, especially for that last piece but must not have used the right descriptive words. btw I'm a wee bit vexed that I missed your question:( I was all excited because I was just reviewing Exodus 25 on those exact items! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 And to think Solomon could have saved himself about 10000 sheep when dedicating the alter and thrown a blue whale on the altar Speaking of that, when Solomon dedicated the temple, the bible states the glory of God filled the temple... What happened to the priest A) The ministered to the Lord B) The could not stand and had to leave C) They made atonement for the future D) They prayed the special prayer... Spoiler: Audio Bible KJV by Alexander Scourby 2 Chronicles .swf - YouTube ------ A bit of alternative bible trivia... When shot in the chest would you rather have... A) Luck that it misses your heart B) A bible in your front pocket C) An untested bullet proof vest... Spoiler.... Bible RTA bus driver shooting: Bible in front pocket saves Dayton bus driver's life - Local News Story First question- (I didn't look at the spoiler) B The glory of God is too radical for man to handle and I would say prior to Jesus it was beyond radical. Now that we have the Holy Spirit I think higher levels of Gods glory could be possible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) If TFW's trivia is true, then someone could make the legitimate case that using gems to determine the will of God is similar to using a Quiji board. This is why I've always believed much of the way the Holy Spirit works is, in essence, the same as "channeling". Jesus himself was considered demon-possessed by those who lacked spiritual discernment. How many followers of Jesus Christ today who authentically follow the Holy Spirit are viewed as demon possesed, or a little bit "off", or cultic by the church? Jesus was viewed as "off"--even considered cursed by God himself! And on the flipside, how many "normal" church people are actually the ones deceived and following mere traditions of men (to remain approved of) instead of the Holy Spirit? Edited February 25, 2014 by M30USA 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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