pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 If TFW's trivia is true, then someone could make the legitimate case that using gems to determine the will of God is similar to using a Quiji board. This is why I've always believed much of the way the Holy Spirit works is, in essence, the same as "channeling". Jesus himself was considered demon-possessed by those who lacked spiritual discernment. How many followers of Jesus Christ today who authentically follow the Holy Spirit are viewed as demon possesed, or a little bit "off", or cultic by the church? Jesus was viewed as "off"--even considered cursed by God himself! And on the flipside, how many "normal" church people are actually the ones deceived and following mere traditions of men (to remain approved of) instead of the Holy Spirit? I've noticed that the "church" is very weird and controlling where the flow of the Spirit is concerned. I really like a church called The Vineyard, but they split several years ago because of a scandal (thinking it was the guy who was into snakes). They began to get very controlling. Church leaders forget that these churches belong to God first. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't like controlling vibes. There's always a weak and scared person behind it who can do lots of damage. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't like controlling vibes. There's always a weak and scared person behind it who can do lots of damage. Couldn't have said this better! Pastors and church members, because of fear, quench the Spirit. Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 And to think Solomon could have saved himself about 10000 sheep when dedicating the alter and thrown a blue whale on the altar LOL! Speaking of that, when Solomon dedicated the temple, the bible states the glory of God filled the temple... What happened to the priest A) The ministered to the Lord B) The could not stand and had to leave C) They made atonement for the future D) They prayed the special prayer... Ummm, B?? I'll check the answer right now... Oh, dude, God gave me that one! Crazy True of false...(my students like these over multiple choice ) The priests used a special set of gems to determine the Will of the Lord, particularly for battle? T or F? I'm going to go with True, but I'm gonna laugh if the answer is in Exodus (chapter 25-26, or thereabouts), as I've just been reading about priests using gems in the Tabernacle. I should probably know this, lol. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I'm a wee bit vexed that I missed your question:( I was all excited because I was just reviewing Exodus 25 on those exact items! Oh, no tbt, don't feel bad! The question was a tinsy bit tongue-in-cheek because most of the other versions of the bible I checked didn't say "sea cow hides", I think it just said goat hides. Obviously something happened in the translation to the NIRV! So, depending on whichever version you read, you were actually right! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Dang, got the last 2 wrong! My weakness is clearly in the middle few books of the OT (the non-prophetic ones). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 True. Urim and Thummim Correct! To M30, noone completely understands the Urim and Thummin...it is believed they would glow based on whether the answer was Yes or No. What were the Urim and Thummim? So, I guess the answer could be true of false, depending if you accept the traditional understanding of these devices. Another interesting fact, the apostles of Christ used a similar method to determine who the next apostle should be... And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 First question- (I didn't look at the spoiler) B The glory of God is too radical for man to handle and I would say prior to Jesus it was beyond radical. Now that we have the Holy Spirit I think higher levels of Gods glory could be possible. Correct, you can read the dedication in 2 Chronicles and 1 Kings. When the priests came out of the holy place, the cloud filled the Lord’s temple, and because of the cloud, the priests were not able to continue ministering, for the glory of the Lord filled the temple. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 One question I have asked is the casting of lots appeared random, but based on the bible was ordered when used to determine the will of the Lord...could evolution work the same way? Appears random, and is bound by principles of conditional probability, but is actually ordered (when used as a method of creation). Maybe I should apply for one of those BioLogos grants 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 One question I have asked is the casting of lots appeared random, but based on the bible was ordered when used to determine the will of the Lord...could evolution work the same way? Appears random, and is bound by principles of conditional probability, but is actually ordered (when used as a method of creation). Maybe I should apply for one of those BioLogos grants This is a trip, and also a trip that you asked the question you did. I understand this now and it's answering a question that has been lingering for sometime now. During times of serious doubt and in desperate need of a word from God or an answer, I'd use the Bible to get those answers or for encouragement. I felt the way I was doing it could be wrong and quit doing it. I'd ask the Lord for a specific Scripture and let one pop in my mind- maybe it was from God, maybe not. IDK, it felt like a game of sorts at times. Well amen TFW, thank you very much! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 This is a trip, and also a trip that you asked the question you did. I understand this now and it's answering a question that has been lingering for sometime now. During times of serious doubt and in desperate need of a word from God or an answer, I'd use the Bible to get those answers or for encouragement. I felt the way I was doing it could be wrong and quit doing it. I'd ask the Lord for a specific Scripture and let one pop in my mind- maybe it was from God, maybe not. IDK, it felt like a game of sorts at times. Well amen TFW, thank you very much! Good point! I know I have done that more than once. I have found that whenever I'm stressed, I just read the sayings from Jesus (particularly in the Gospel of John) and I feel about 100x better. BTW, I'm not suggesting Ouija boards or numerology. I do not think these ancient devices described in the OT are in place today. Much like other oracles and offices, they were a shadow of a better covenant. I just think its interesting how the outcomes of these devices that appeared to use randomness, were actually ordered. It is sort of the same issue with predestination and free will. Hard to understand 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Good point! I know I have done that more than once. I have found that whenever I'm stressed, I just read the sayings from Jesus (particularly in the Gospel of John) and I feel about 100x better. BTW, I'm not suggesting Ouija boards or numerology. I do not think these ancient devices described in the OT are in place today. Much like other oracles and offices, they were a shadow of a better covenant. I just think its interesting how the outcomes of these devices that appeared to use randomness, were actually ordered. It is sort of the same issue with predestination and free will. Hard to understand Great point. What appears as random can be ordered and intentional. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) After Elijah was taken away by the fiery chariot, a bunch of heckling youths came up to Elisha, his companion, and called him what derogatory name? a) "goat beard" b) "ass" c) "crazy old man" d) "monkey" e) "bald head" Edited March 5, 2014 by M30USA Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) After Elijah was taken away by the fiery chariot, a bunch of heckling youths came up to Elisha, his companion, and called him what derogatory name? a) "goat beard" b) "ass" c) "crazy old man" d) "monkey" e) "bald head" ...(a)? :) Edited March 5, 2014 by pie2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 After Elijah was taken away by the fiery chariot, a bunch of heckling youths came up to Elisha, his companion, and called him what derogatory name? a) "goat beard" b) "ass" c) "crazy old man" d) "monkey" e) "bald head" For some reason "e" comes to mind- it seems as if I remember a teaching on this... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BeingMe Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Bald head...and he called a curse down on them and they were eaten by a wild animal (bear or lion, I think) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Bald head...and he called a curse down on them and they were eaten by a wild animal (bear or lion, I think) What gets me is that Elijah and Elisha tried to keep the whole event hush-hush. Elijah twice told the people around him to "keep quiet" regarding his departure. Why the secrecy? Why the need to curse the scoffers and make a wild animal kill them? Link to post Share on other sites
BeingMe Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 He was clearly very touchy about being a baldy.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 He was clearly very touchy about being a baldy.... "Shhh!", saith Elijah, "lest yonder folk shall knoweth I use Rogaine!" 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What can separate us from the love of God? a) Sin b) Demons c) Illness d) Things to come e) Nothing Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 What can separate us from the love of God? a) Sin b) Demons c) Illness d) Things to come e) Nothing For the believer or the unbeliever? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pie2 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) For the believer or the unbeliever? Ok, I'm gonna go with both. And then you all can correct me, lol. WARNING...here's my answer: E! Nothing can separate us from the love of God. John 3:16 says that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. He loved us, even without Christ's sacrifice. Though of course, if we sin, we're separated from fellowship with God. But that doesn't change God's love for us. Romans 8 highlights more about how God will continue to love us, no matter what we're going through, or no matter what forces may act upon us. imo, lol. What do you think? Edited March 10, 2014 by pie2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What can separate us from the love of God? a) Sin b) Demons c) Illness d) Things to come e) Nothing "e" good one Pie! Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Cool Pie, I didn't look at the answer in your next post:D Amen, this is a really good one! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 For the believer or the unbeliever? This could be a good discussion. Pie, I've always thought this Scripture was directed to the believers…but it's tricky because God loves everyone- then there's the factor of sin... Link to post Share on other sites
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