Strongly considering giving up on girls

[SongOfMySelf]

I guess I don't understand the emphasis on sex. Sex is a lowest common denominator activity anybody can do.

 

I've been on the receiving end of guys who want that porn I graphic type loving. It's not a good feeling. A lot of men who watch porn or have transactional porn are not hard up. They just want something g fast, uncomplicated, and don't want to mix in any emotions.

 

No, I don't have any options for dating right now except hypothetical ones. Oh I guess I could call up my 60 year old stalker and see if he wi take me on a date? Dating for women is not all roses.

 

My ex is moderately attractive at best and dorky. Yet he hasn't been single in probably a decade. He has always found somebody. Maybe your friends need to get out more.

 

Sex is the lowest denominator activity anybody can do? You mean, sex is nothing special to have in a relationship? Isn't that the whole point of having a relationship? Someone you can have sex with in a safe enviroment, free of the risks of stds and so on? For an exchange of feelings? I have my guy friends for that, and I have my female friends for a more charming company. If sex isn't nothing special, then what's the point in having relationships anyway? Just have friendships with the opposite sex and casual sex if the person is a woman and prostitutes if the guy is from Europe?

 

Its natural to see a woman claim that sex is nothing special. Its very, very easy for a woman to get sex, but very hard for a decent man to get any from women who aren't even attractive. I know of guys who spend their entire free time with women waiting for that one day in the month when women are more aroused due to ovulation to try and get lucky, if that ain't sexual desperation I don't know what is.

 

 

They just want something g fast, uncomplicated, and don't want to mix in any emotions.

 

Trust me when I say that emotions and women and men don't mix well. Many men fall in love with the women they are friends with by sharing their own emotions and what not, and then they have to see their lady friends end up with guys who aren't emotional or whatever it is, but are attractive. Its better to be good-looking and emotional plain as man than it is to be average/below average and to have a high emotional intelligence.

 

In one scenario you end up with lots of girlfriends and sexual partners, in the other one you end you end with much sexual frustration and heartaches. The last scenario is what taught me to never befriend attractive women, or women to whom I was attracted to. The reason I was so much admired in my social group was due to the fact that I wasn't interested in sleeping with any of them.

[hotpotato]

I'm not saying that married women are trying to trade up. I'm saying that I believe that single women have many options (between social circles and especially online dating) and, thus, either aren't considering decent guys or do consider these guys, but eliminate them over any hint of imperfection.

 

I don't think guys that want relationships cold approach though because they're either shy or realized that it really doesn't work (I'm in that class).

 

But, as I said, you always have online dating, which strongly favors women. If OLD didn't exist, I might be more on your side of this argument. But OLD objectively gives women FAR more options and actively limits the options of normal, decent guys (because girls that they would normally date are meeting multiple guys from OLD).

 

If you don't believe my last paragraph (and have not tried OLD yourself), just look around at threads on this forum.

 

OLD gives men a lot of options, too. It's not just a woman thing.

 

I have tried online dating, and it's mostly sexual. Heck, it was hard to meet a guy who wasn't trying to push me into sex after 2 hours. Yes, I could meet 10 guys on OLD, but most of them will come at me sexually. Btdt.

[SongOfMySelf]

OLD gives men a lot of options, too. It's not just a woman thing.

 

I have tried online dating, and it's mostly sexual. Heck, it was hard to meet a guy who wasn't trying to push me into sex after 2 hours. Yes, I could meet 10 guys on OLD, but most of them will come at me sexually. Btdt.

 

Most men have been played by women. It accounts for the push many men put in to see if the woman is attracted to them or are only interested in a free meal. And many men no longer believe in relationships. When men are cheated on and traded for upgraded men, or are rejected in their youth, the only option they have is to push for sex because they are competition with much better men than themselves.

[ThaWholigan]

I'm sorry, I still find it amusing that people think sex is hard to get. I mean, I thought that too - when I was 16.

[SongOfMySelf]

I'm sorry, I still find it amusing that people think sex is hard to get. I mean, I thought that too - when I was 16.

 

If sex was easy to get porn sites wouldn't exist by the millions and you could surf the internet without ''wanna have sex with hot girls in your area'' ads if you don't own add-block, oh and men wouldn't spend hundreds on webcam girls they will never touch for the sake of seeing them naked. I'll give you a pass because you sound young, but you are trying to tell a guy who has been around longer than you that sex is easy to get when I know many, many men who aren't defected in any way and still can't get sex? It must be the ''creep'' vibes they are giving, am I right?

[topaMAXX]

OLD gives men a lot of options, too. It's not just a woman thing.

 

I disagree with you there. It's been proven that there are far more men on dating sites than women. Women get TONS of messages per day, while most men can't get any responses.

 

Even the guys I know that do well on OLD do WAY better in real life. Many women that I know use this as their only source of dating and have many dates per week. These women will now be less receptive to the men that they meet in real life (because they have so many OLD options) and, thus, these men (that are already unsuccessful online) have even less options.

[SongOfMySelf]

I disagree with you there. It's been proven that there are far more men on dating sites than women. Women get TONS of messages per day, while most men can't get any responses.

 

Even the guys I know that do well on OLD do WAY better in real life. Many women that I know use this as their only source of dating and have many dates per week. These women will now be less receptive to the men that they meet in real life (because they have so many OLD options) and, thus, these men (that are already unsuccessful online) have even less options.

 

Most men don't have much a chance nowadays with women being connected everyday to twitter, facebook, Myspace, email, and whatever else women use to get attention.

 

Back in college and I have 20 year old women as my classmates getting naked pictures from perfect-looking men on their cellphones. Yeahhh, meanwhile the men who are in love with these girls are providing emotional support, and you think they are going to get a relationship with these girls when these girls can run down a flight of stairs and hook-up with the same men who are offering themselves to average-looking women?

[topaMAXX]

Sex is the lowest denominator activity anybody can do? You mean, sex is nothing special to have in a relationship? Isn't that the whole point of having a relationship? Someone you can have sex with in a safe enviroment, free of the risks of stds and so on? For an exchange of feelings? I have my guy friends for that, and I have my female friends for a more charming company. If sex isn't nothing special, then what's the point in having relationships anyway?

 

I disagree with you here. I'm interested in finding a best friend that I can do things with and share my life with, as well as have sex with them, obviously. That's what I believe relationships to be about.

 

 

 

 

Trust me when I say that emotions and women and men don't mix well. Many men fall in love with the women they are friends with by sharing their own emotions and what not, and then they have to see their lady friends end up with guys who aren't emotional or whatever it is.

 

I agree with this.

 

For me, personally, I can't become romantically interested in a girl unless I'm able to share personal things with her and be somewhat emotional. However, this is an attraction killer for women. So, instead, I don't share things with them and don't become romantically interested in them. They become interested in me, but I'm not invested at that point. It's a vicious circle.

 

This is one of the reasons that I believe that I connect better with foreign women. They find vulnerability attractive, whereas western women seem to define it as a weakness or neediness.

[SongOfMySelf]

do you ever see a woman without a cellphone? Everywhere I go I see women with their eyes glued on the screen of the cellphone, they don't even look at where they are going, they just expect men to make way for them. Kinda hard for the average man to strike a conversation with women when they either have their ears filled with headphones or are texting away some Casanova who just arrived and wants to hook-up.

 

For me, personally, I can't become romantically interested in a girl unless I'm able to share personal things with her and be somewhat emotional. However, this is an attraction killer for women. So, instead, I don't share things with them and don't become romantically interested in them. They become interested in me, but I'm not invested at that point. It's a vicious circle.

 

This is one of the reasons that I believe that I connect better with foreign women. They find vulnerability attractive, whereas western women seem to define it as a weakness or neediness.

 

 

Women are also always on the look-out for emotional weakness. If you display any emotional soft-spots, you are considered a woman. I mean, they want you to be generous with your emotions, but not like you think about it. They want to be complimented, to be desired, and to have men treat them well. They want to be guided, but if you ever display a moment of weakness or uncertainty they will shut you out. They always expect the men to do everything, even if they are independent and you aren't even dating them, just to test you out.

 

Yeah, I don't deal with women much anymore, just with women from my family and with women from my high school/college social group, and I interact with women my friends bring in. But man, the women who are testing me out as boyfriend material are always applying emotional torture to see if I'm a real ''man'' by being cruel to me, petty, or to see if my self-esteem is as high as it is - I'm not even interested in them, why the heck are they treating me like this? Power.

Edited March 22, 2014 by SongOfMySelf

[hotpotato]

If sex was easy to get porn sites wouldn't exist by the millions and you could surf the internet without ''wanna have sex with hot girls in your area'' ads if you don't own add-block, oh and men wouldn't spend hundreds on webcam girls they will never touch for the sake of seeing them naked. I'll give you a pass because you sound young, but you are trying to tell a guy who has been around longer than you that sex is easy to get when I know many, many men who aren't defected in any way and still can't get sex? It must be the ''creep'' vibes they are giving, am I right?

 

LOL. A lot of guys who watch porn aren't hard up or even single.

Porn sites are convenient and provide a lot of variety.

[hotpotato]

I disagree with you there. It's been proven that there are far more men on dating sites than women. Women get TONS of messages per day, while most men can't get any responses.

 

Even the guys I know that do well on OLD do WAY better in real life. Many women that I know use this as their only source of dating and have many dates per week. These women will now be less receptive to the men that they meet in real life (because they have so many OLD options) and, thus, these men (that are already unsuccessful online) have even less options.

 

Yes, because many OLD sites are hookup sites in disguise. There are usually a lot more men than women searching for quick, transient sex especially on the interwebs.

[hotpotato]

Most men have been played by women. It accounts for the push many men put in to see if the woman is attracted to them or are only interested in a free meal. And many men no longer believe in relationships. When men are cheated on and traded for upgraded men, or are rejected in their youth, the only option they have is to push for sex because they are competition with much better men than themselves.

 

They are very misled. You dont have to like someone or know someone to have sex with them. That's a fact they are demonstrating. Please. A lot of these men simply want to brag about their exploits.

 

Everything you said, I could say the same about how plenty of women feel.

 

Free meal? I wasn't aware he was paying for sex. Some men really do just need to get hookers.

 

Sex is the lowest denominator activity anybody can do? You mean, sex is nothing special to have in a relationship? Isn't that the whole point of having a relationship? Someone you can have sex with in a safe enviroment, free of the risks of stds and so on? For an exchange of feelings? I have my guy friends for that, and I have my female friends for a more charming company. If sex isn't nothing special, then what's the point in having relationships anyway? Just have friendships with the opposite sex and casual sex if the person is a woman and prostitutes if the guy is from Europe?

 

Most sex nowadays is not relationship sex.

I agree, some guys really should just get a hooker.

If you think the sex with a spouse is "free" of risk of stds, I have some bad news for you...

 

Its natural to see a woman claim that sex is nothing special. Its very, very easy for a woman to get sex, but very hard for a decent man to get any from women who aren't even attractive. I know of guys who spend their entire free time with women waiting for that one day in the month when women are more aroused due to ovulation to try and get lucky, if that ain't sexual desperation I don't know what is.

 

That is pretty desperate, but nobody is making him wait around. It's his free will.

Any mammal can come together and have sex. That's why I call it lcd.

 

Trust me when I say that emotions and women and men don't mix well. Many men fall in love with the women they are friends with by sharing their own emotions and what not, and then they have to see their lady friends end up with guys who aren't emotional or whatever it is, but are attractive. Its better to be good-looking and emotional plain as man than it is to be average/below average and to have a high emotional intelligence.

 

How do you know they are emotionally plain? Because they look good?

I have borne the brunt of trying to have male friendships, and much of that is also about sex. I've had to deal with outbursts and sexual harassment.

 

Personally, I think men should stop hanging around women waiting for a bone. If he's not interested in being just friends, and she's not interested in him sexually/romantically, he should just leave.

 

In one scenario you end up with lots of girlfriends and sexual partners, in the other one you end you end with much sexual frustration and heartaches. The last scenario is what taught me to never befriend attractive women, or women to whom I was attracted to. The reason I was so much admired in my social group was due to the fact that I wasn't interested in sleeping with any of them.

 

I think that's the way to go for a lot of men!