anne1707 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 This is why I used the terminology that I did, "should a person". In a paragraph in which you had been talking of criminalisation of homosexuality. By inference it would therefore seem reasonable to assume that you saw being HIV as likely to also be homosexual. Sorry but I am not convinced by your supposed (and very poor) clarification. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Madman81 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Absolutely. God created marriage not society. Call homosexuals wanting to have the benefits of having legal recognition something else. Definitely not marriage. Jesus speaks of a man and a woman uniting. Unreal that people can find some loophole to say it's not addressed in the Bible. What I don't get is people who oppose God who want to be married at all let alone in a church. Go legalize the union at city hall, but to take vows and promises in front of God and then mock it? Makes no sense to me. To consider other views does not mean that you need to be *so* opened minded that your brains fall out. And to uphold what one believes does not make one narrow minded just because they don't agree with something. And what I don't get is why you even give a tinker's damn whether a gay couple you don't even know calls what they have a marriage, or a civil union, or an artichoke. Seriously, how does that affect you and your world in the slightest? Suppose they are "making a mockery of God" by calling it marriage. What on earth does that have to do with you? How can that have any bearing on you, the meaning of your faith in your life, or anything else with the vaguest, most tangential connection to you? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
UpwardForward Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 And what I don't get is why you even give a tinker's damn whether a gay couple you don't even know calls what they have a marriage, or a civil union, or an artichoke. Seriously, how does that affect you and your world in the slightest? Suppose they are "making a mockery of God" by calling it marriage. What on earth does that have to do with you? How can that have any bearing on you, the meaning of your faith in your life, or anything else with the vaguest, most tangential connection to you? Making a mockery out of marriage - or same sex couples flaunting their relationships affects children and/or future generations. Or to think that it's alright. Link to post Share on other sites
Author pureinheart Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 HIV Continues to Spread Among Gay Men, Studies Show | TIME.com Link to post Share on other sites
Seeking11 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Making a mockery out of marriage - or same sex couples flaunting their relationships affects children and/or future generations. Or to think that it's alright. This is true, it affects them in being able to accept such a lifestyle exists in our world and that it is okay, instead of fearing an unknown, they can embrace it, thank god for that Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Making a mockery out of marriage - or same sex couples flaunting their relationships affects children and/or future generations. Or to think that it's alright. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender OR with gay marriage. Oh, and humans aren't the only species with homosexual couples. Try refuting these animals that practice homosexuality: 1. Rams 2. Bottle Nose Dolphins 3. Laysan Albatrosses 4. Bonobos (humanity's CLOSEST relative...these monkees love gay sex) 5. Andean passerine bird of the Cotinga family 6. African lions 7. Wild Australian Black Swans 8. King Penguins (male penguins) 9. Western Gulls (female to female couples) 10. Giraffes 11. Dragonflies I could go on with the list (that's just the tip of the natural world's iceberg of gay animals). My point is, you're gonna have to condemn the entire natural world then, not just people which seems hypocritical to me if you believe that god created the world. Well, god created those gay animals so are you going to condemn those animals? Gay marriage makes a mockery of marriage? No. Your bigotry against gay marriage is a mockery of marriage. And you've just proven my point that Christians are some of the most bigoted, prejudiced people on earth. You may not like the social changes personally, but homosexuality is a natural god-given occurrence. That's right. People and animals (some of them) are BORN that way. Your Christian god created those homosexual animals and homosexual people so you can hate them, but you cant hate them in the name of god because that's how they were born and made. And most states in the U.S. allow gay marriage (about time too), and health insurance for married gay couples. So really, it's your biased opinion that gay people ruin the sanctity of marriage, which is sad for you because that's a very anti-Christian perspective. A real Christian would not be afraid of gay couples getting married because Christians are supposed to love everybody. Right? Link to post Share on other sites
Seeking11 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 HIV Continues to Spread Among Gay Men, Studies Show | TIME.com For this one "study" here, I could easily link 100 from Africa alone about the spread of HIV, having nothing to do with sexual orientation. Should we be afriad of those from Africa or view them differently also? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
UpwardForward Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 We all know civilization/society is in decline or deterioration, and it is because of Sin. And as the more it progresses. Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 We all know civilization/society is in decline or deterioration, and it is because of Sin. And the more it progresses. I feel sorry for you. I really do. Your intolerance for what's completely normal and part of the natural world astounds me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Madman81 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Making a mockery out of marriage - or same sex couples flaunting their relationships affects children and/or future generations. Or to think that it's alright. So, for you, saying the below is evidently out of the question? "I follow my faith because I feel it has given my life value and meaning, and made me a happier and better person. I recognize that others have different views and beliefs, and that others have found value and meaning for their lives and become happier people through those different beliefs, even if those different beliefs don't happen to include a belief in a higher power. I wish them all well, and I genuinely hope that they continue to find happiness and meaning on the path they are following." I'm not really surprised, but I confess to being disappointed. I'd hoped for better from you. Foolish of me, I now see. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author pureinheart Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 For this one "study" here, I could easily link 100 from Africa alone about the spread of HIV, having nothing to do with sexual orientation. Should we be afriad of those from Africa or view them differently also? I know they say it came from a monkey. I don't believe that for one minute. Link to post Share on other sites
florence of suburbia Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I know they say it came from a monkey. I don't believe that for one minute. Huh? What do you mean? Link to post Share on other sites
Author pureinheart Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Huh? What do you mean? I read a few articles stating that AIDS originated from monkey's. I'll find them again. Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I know they say it came from a monkey. I don't believe that for one minute. You can't argue with science. Sorry. Read below. HIV originated from chimpanzees in West Africa that transferred the virus to the humans that hunted them, and then it mutated into the HIV virus. "Scientists identified a type of chimpanzee in West Africa as the source of HIV infection in humans. They believe that the chimpanzee version of the immunodeficiency virus (called simian immunodeficiency virus, or SIV) most likely was transmitted to humans and mutated into HIV when humans hunted these chimpanzees for meat and came into contact with their infected blood. Studies show that HIV may have jumped from apes to humans as far back as the late 1800s. Over decades, the virus slowly spread across Africa and later into other parts of the world. We know that the virus has existed in the United States since at least the mid- to late 1970s." CDC - What is HIV/AIDS? - HIV Basics - HIV/AIDS Link to post Share on other sites
florence of suburbia Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I read a few articles stating that AIDS originated from monkey's. I'll find them again. And why don't you believe this? What do you believe instead? Link to post Share on other sites
Author pureinheart Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 I read a few articles stating that AIDS originated from monkey's. I'll find them again. Where did HIV come from? | The AIDS Institute I don't believe this. Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Where did HIV come from? | The AIDS Institute I don't believe this. So you're going to completely ignore the Center for Disease Control's website? Wow. Talk about denial. Just because you choose to ignore the truth, doesn't make it any less true. Link to post Share on other sites
Seeking11 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I know they say it came from a monkey. I don't believe that for one minute. The point I was making wasn't where HIV came from, it was that being homosexual has nothing to do with HIV being spread. It is still an epidemic in Africa and other countries in the world, with no connection to sexual orientation. Unfortunately, like many people in developed nations, they are not fully aware of this still occurring. So when you pull up a "study" from time magazine saying homosexuals are spreading HIV, it just shows how closed your eyes are to other parts of the world. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author pureinheart Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 And why don't you believe this? What do you believe instead? HIV Continues to Spread Among Gay Men, Studies Show | TIME.com HIV has always been more common among gay men, but Beyrer and his colleagues say the traditional risk factors may not entirely explain the surge in many cases. Traditionally, HIV experts have pointed to high-risk behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple partners, injection drug use and drug use in general for making gay men more vulnerable to infection. But there may be biological reasons for the enhanced risk as well. For example, there is an 18 times greater risk of HIV transmission through anal sex than through vaginal sex, which may explain why the virus continues to thrive in gay men, despite the fact that they still receive the bulk of HIV awareness and treatment public-health messages. “If HIV infection in MSM is heavily biologically determined, do present approaches to HIV programming for MSM, which rely heavily on information, education and behavior change strategies, make sense?” the authors write. “The epidemiology suggests that urgent reform is needed.” I believe AIDS originated from the gay lifestyle, lest it would not be prevalent still among gay men. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Seeking11 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 HIV Continues to Spread Among Gay Men, Studies Show | TIME.com HIV has always been more common among gay men, but Beyrer and his colleagues say the traditional risk factors may not entirely explain the surge in many cases. Traditionally, HIV experts have pointed to high-risk behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple partners, injection drug use and drug use in general for making gay men more vulnerable to infection. But there may be biological reasons for the enhanced risk as well. For example, there is an 18 times greater risk of HIV transmission through anal sex than through vaginal sex, which may explain why the virus continues to thrive in gay men, despite the fact that they still receive the bulk of HIV awareness and treatment public-health messages. “If HIV infection in MSM is heavily biologically determined, do present approaches to HIV programming for MSM, which rely heavily on information, education and behavior change strategies, make sense?” the authors write. “The epidemiology suggests that urgent reform is needed.” I believe AIDS originated from the gay lifestyle, lest it would not be prevalent still among gay men. You do realize that the percentage of men and women with HIV/AIDS is roughly 50% among each gender, how does that show it being prevalent among gay men only? Link to post Share on other sites
Author pureinheart Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 What Is HIV/AIDS? Scientists believe HIV came from a particular kind of chimpanzee in Western Africa. Humans probably came in contact with HIV when they hunted and ate infected animals. Recent studies indicate that HIV may have jumped from monkeys to humans as far back as the late 1800s. This means they are in fact making a guess. Link to post Share on other sites
pickflicker Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 And what I don't get is why you even give a tinker's damn whether a gay couple you don't even know calls what they have a marriage, or a civil union, or an artichoke. Seriously, how does that affect you and your world in the slightest? Suppose they are "making a mockery of God" by calling it marriage. What on earth does that have to do with you? How can that have any bearing on you, the meaning of your faith in your life, or anything else with the vaguest, most tangential connection to you? I'm of the opinion that of gay people want to be as miserable as all the married people out there, let them have at it. Link to post Share on other sites
Allumere Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Where did HIV come from? | The AIDS Institute I don't believe this. Why? Evidence to date supports this as the best "current" conclusion. Subject to tweaks and turns if something new is discovered, sure, but I'd be shocked to see any major variation. Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Your refusal to accept reality confuses me. Is it a personal refusal, or one tied to your Christian faith? Or is your personal refusal because of your Christian faith? You can't deny the truth about the origin of AIDS. It's clearly laid out on the CDC website among other AIDS related websites. It seems like you need AIDS to originate in man so that you can justify your bigotry against gay people and gay marriage. This is why Christianity is so harmful, the way it promotes fear in people to prevent them from seeing the true reality of things. HIV Continues to Spread Among Gay Men, Studies Show | TIME.com HIV has always been more common among gay men, but Beyrer and his colleagues say the traditional risk factors may not entirely explain the surge in many cases. Traditionally, HIV experts have pointed to high-risk behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple partners, injection drug use and drug use in general for making gay men more vulnerable to infection. But there may be biological reasons for the enhanced risk as well. For example, there is an 18 times greater risk of HIV transmission through anal sex than through vaginal sex, which may explain why the virus continues to thrive in gay men, despite the fact that they still receive the bulk of HIV awareness and treatment public-health messages. “If HIV infection in MSM is heavily biologically determined, do present approaches to HIV programming for MSM, which rely heavily on information, education and behavior change strategies, make sense?” the authors write. “The epidemiology suggests that urgent reform is needed.” I believe AIDS originated from the gay lifestyle, lest it would not be prevalent still among gay men. Link to post Share on other sites
Seeking11 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Here is one data: https://www.womenshealth.gov/hiv-aids/aids-worldwide/ And here's some global reading, as HIV is not just in the US: https://www.womenshealth.gov/hiv-aids/aids-worldwide/ Link to post Share on other sites
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