paleface Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 How many of you could say you dont find a young brad pitt attractive? Why does beauty have to be objective? Why not subjective so everybody can experience love. (yes i am ugly). Link to post Share on other sites
Targetlock Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and is determined by the opinions and preferences of the person viewing it, though society has influenced many stereotypes and ideals of what 'beauty' is, so yeah beauty is very subjective and depends on the situation and person viewing it. just my thoughts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Haydn Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Subjective, always has been. Take the posters of your wall. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I never have liked the look of Brad Pitt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
anne1707 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yet another British person here who sees beauty as subjective. Brad Pitt? No thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
GravityMan Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 There are a lot of women who don't find Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Channing Tatum, Matt Damon, etc etc. physically attractive at all. There are a lot of men who don't find Sofia Vergara, Scarlett Johannson, Mila Kunis, Halle Berry, Salma Hayek, Christina Hendricks, etc. physically attractive. Hell, there are people out there who don't find hardly any celebrity, artist, TV news personality, etc. physically attractive. They usually feel that celebrities come across as "fake" and/or vain...and much prefer the down-to-earth "average joe" or the "girl next door" types who look nice without trying too hard. There are definitely men and women out there that are good-looking to a noticeably higher-than-average percentage of the opposite sex, but that's still very deep in the realm of subjective beauty. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Hello_is_it_me Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Because we are biologically hardwired to prefer certain facial and body proportions, along with symmetry and other things. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Ninjainpajamas Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I think beauty is subjective more than people would like to admit, but people like to reject things a lot of the time just because they are mainstream and it's what's popular, to be kind of rebellious...so that can affect people's comments or what they would say, plus think about how people many would actually act in the moment if they were in the presence of that person, probably not the same at all...or if it's just really outside of their own reality, like most people aren't going to ever even have the chance of being with someone who is actually famous so it's easy to even reject the idea of that person entirely, and then on top of that think of your own subjective beauty and how people would comment on that? isn't so safe anymore now is it..but it's easy to talk about someone else being "meh", someone who is actually subjectively beautiful/attractive more than you are...it's also one thing to see someone in a movie or tv, or even on a piece of fancy colored paper, but whole other situation to be in their presence. What I would say is taste is subjective, some people might not by your right style, physique, facial looks or you might not have the same interests and you might not be able to carry a conversation with them or what not, that has a lot to do with the "attraction" component as well, a lot of people need that personal connection to be really "attracted" to someone on that level in general unless they are exceptional, others are just in love with the beauty or the fantasy of how that person looks according to their "taste". At any rate, this is way over-explaining it, but honestly...I think one of the biggest reasons people bad mouth other attractive people is simply jealousy, they're getting the kind of attention they don't think they deserve because they're probably jealous over it and they're a bit better they're not receiving that in return, so they try and reduce that persons desirability to make themselves feel better. I think most people who are subjectively paraded as "beautiful" are justifiably so, otherwise people aren't really going to buy into it, they have to be attractive to a lot of people, even if they are marketed well and put in a fancy box by the media, you can't shove something down people's throats that they're not willing to swallow in the end, there has to be a basis for it. One of the women I don't think is my taste is someone like Angelina Jolie, she just doesn't do it for me...beauty wise, I definitely can recognize what people are talking about and in person chances are It would be more pronounced, and it might even change my perception of her knowing her as an individual than just a face on the screen or acting in a role. She's still subjectively beautiful regardless of my taste. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Beauty is subjective. First of all i've never found brad pitt attractive. He is absolutely average in my opinion. Second of all there is a lot of different forms of beauty. I've met girls who I wasn't attracted to at first. But after getting to know them and really seeing their personalities I became totally infatuated. On the other hand i've met girls who i thought were total stunners. But after really getting to know them they began to look ugly because they had bad personalities. And like I said beauty is subjective. Anyone whose had any life experience will learn quickly that beauty is not everything. Link to post Share on other sites
topaMAXX Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Beauty is very objective. People here don't want to admit that because it isn't pc, but, trust me, any of these women here would sleep with Brad Pitt if given the chance (if not for looks, then for his fame....but that's a discussion for another thread). As one poster here wisely stated, it's easy to reject someone that you have no chance with to begin with. OP, if you are ugly or short or whatever, just acknowledge it and move on. Realize that this may hold you back and accept that. Be at peace with it. Then you'll get the women that don't care that much (or the ones that can't get the super hot guys). Link to post Share on other sites
janedoe67 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 True beauty can be subjective. Depth and substance, however, are easy to spot. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Why do you talk about beauty and then bring up a dude? Link to post Share on other sites
topaMAXX Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Why do you talk about beauty and then bring up a dude? Because he's referring to women and his current situation due to his ugliness. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Scorpio Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Beauty is very objective. People here don't want to admit that because it isn't pc, but, trust me, any of these women here would sleep with Brad Pitt if given the chance (if not for looks, then for his fame....but that's a discussion for another thread). I think that an assessment of beauty can be objective, but attraction is subjective. If my job was to hire a cover model for a sweater catalog, I might call Kim Kardashian. But attracted to her? No. Also, folks here don't have much problem saying things that aren't PC. Edited March 25, 2014 by Mr Scorpio 5 Link to post Share on other sites
pickflicker Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 How many of you could say you dont find a young brad pitt attractive? Why does beauty have to be objective? Why not subjective so everybody can experience love. (yes i am ugly). Me. Young, he's not masculine enough. Today, he looks like something that got caught in a drain. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Leigh 87 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Looks are totally subjective. To an extent. There will always be that girl or guy that are called "beautiful" fairly unanimously among all the people in the groups in which they mingle with. Some people are commonly inferred to as beautiful, others are not yet are STILL found beautiful by a select few... An odd looking girl for instance that has striking features may not be the girl the group calls sexy or desirable, yet some men could very fell find her to be stunning. I am a classic example of the looks are subjective debate; I am honestly considered stunning to some, and average to others. I always have guys around me, or women around me for that matter who tell me I am gorgeous, sincerely. Yet I know I am not all that; I have an 18 y old super model friend I know who walks international runways, as well as a vogue model friend, so obviously I KNOW I am not all that beautiful compared to the TRUE beauties with the most striking features. So yeah, I am like MANY other women who are beauties to some yet beasts to others:lmao: Each persons subjectivity does vary. I have a fair few people who find me attractive, and a fair few people who I am sure DO NOT find me attractive. But I still have amply supply of people who find me attractive even though I have just as many people who disagree. So a person who is only found to be beautiful by a very select few normally can predict that hey, not all that many people find her very appealing to look at. Where as people like me know that it is not rare that a person will find us good looking (yet now that we are not that special either, since just as many if not more people find us plain or ugly) You can roughly gauge how many people find you attractive at a given place. I have a few everywhere I go but not loads (I predict). Some people will have no people that find them attractive at a given venue. Others will be found attractive by most people in the room; they are the objectively good looking folks who are still not attractive to some people yet they are rarely offensive or ugly looking to even the people who don't have the hots for them. Link to post Share on other sites
Eternal Sunshine Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Brad Pitt does nothing for me. Link to post Share on other sites
topaMAXX Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 As I've said in other posts here, I have a good looking face, but I am short (5'6). Very short girls (about 5'1 and below) find me VERY attractive. I've had girls come up to me and comment on my looks. I've approached others and they would say "Wow!" and their eyes would light up. These are the short girls. The girls around my height or taller only see my height. So I usually have to do a lot to win them over (and many can't be won over). If I do win them over, it's because of my personality (and the fact that I have a good looking face, which can override the height in some cases). So, I am a good example here. My face is objectively attractive, but my height is objectively unattractive. So I get most shorts girls (even the ones that seem to desire tall guys), but I don't get most average height or tall girls. I feel bad for guys that are objectively universally unattractive. Must be tough. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Scorpio Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Beauty is very objective. As I've said in other posts here, I have a good looking face, but I am short (5'6). Very short girls (about 5'1 and below) find me VERY attractive. These are the short girls. The girls around my height or taller only see my height. So, it sounds like whether or not women find you attractive is subject to their height? Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 So, it sounds like whether or not women find you attractive is subject to their height? My brother is 5'6 - possibly smaller. He's also balding. He's good looking fortunately (he comes from my family, course he is ) He regularly dates women taller than him. So girls around his height may notice it, but probably don't care for whatever reason. I'm in agreement with Mr Scorpio. Beauty is subjective to an extent, but only when factoring in individual attraction. We all have our triggers as to what ignites us on a certain level. Not always physical even - have had interesting observations of "sapiosexuals" at play . I think beauty is assessed objectively largely - the golden ratio is a good example of that. Aesthetics will always be attractive, and to a significant amount of people (women and men) it will be a determining factor regarding sexual attraction. I wouldn't go as far as to claim all, or even a majority. There are too many variables that I myself have observed and indeed encountered. Even the girls who have been attracted to me, have been for differing reasons, some not to do with how I look at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Thegreatestthing Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 It is very subjective ! I don't find clooney or any of the guys mentioned attractive. I have very particular tastes,e.g don't like narrow features like long,narrow nose it always makes me not attracted to the person, I have this very definate thing for button noses and wide faces it's pretty much why I'm only usually attracted to polish boys a lot of them have that look. Though personality is such a massive thing for some women I know I never thought I could be attracted to an Asian guy but I watched this Asian guy on YouTube for days and was so attracted to him! Also the last guy I dated all narrow features and not my look at all but we got on so well that I didn't care. Link to post Share on other sites
topaMAXX Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 So, it sounds like whether or not women find you attractive is subject to their height? Yes, but only because my face is objectively attractive. If it wasn't, I wouldn't get anything. Link to post Share on other sites
Leigh 87 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yes, but only because my face is objectively attractive. If it wasn't, I wouldn't get anything. My face isn't objectively attractive yet I get lots of decent men who find me attractive. As you.can see you don't have to be beautiful to the masses to get a lot of people that regularly find you attractive. Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) How many of you could say you dont find a young brad pitt attractive? Why does beauty have to be objective? Why not subjective so everybody can experience love. (yes i am ugly). With all due respect, this is only your opinion. IMO beauty doesn't come from the outside, it comes from the inside. I know many would disagree and I've heard it all, although the ugliest people in the world are ugly on the inside, meaning the inside radiates out. Edited March 25, 2014 by pureinheart Link to post Share on other sites
Author paleface Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 My face isn't objectively attractive yet I get lots of decent men who find me attractive. As you.can see you don't have to be beautiful to the masses to get a lot of people that regularly find you attractive. It's different being a female, trust me. Most guys would say anything to a girl to get in bed with here. Being a guy is very much different. Link to post Share on other sites
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