Conservative family values kill unique creative souls..

[ProudLoner]

The reason for so many run aways, dysfunction child/parent relationships, etc.

 

Every family who has that one oddball child, but other siblings who are 'normal'.. if they have those conservative values, that oddball child WILL leave.

 

They will go join a gang. Go join a circus, as they used to say. Go be a slut. Go do drugs. Get a tat. Rebel.

 

 

I thought, "why not just laugh?"

 

 

Why not turn it into some comedic situation? Because they can't....

 

 

Because the conservative way, creates a lack of humor in those situations. They're just not funny and don't know how to be.....

 

 

but, the lower classes know. The liberals know. The cheats, liars, fakes, drunks, all know. How ironic is that. The wounded know.

 

 

This has ZERO to do with politics, everything to do with personality and behavior.

 

Yet, this keeps going on and on... throughout history.

 

 

But you can't have both. Conservative values, keeps families together. But they never become hedonistic. They make "love", they drink "socially".

 

For the addicts, who want as much sex as possible, as much "highs" as possible.... it's seen as "selfish", because it is giving pleasure but only for "them".

 

 

It isn't "sharable" pleasure.

 

 

And, the ills of (disease, social associations, crime, death) gives it all a bad rep.

 

But, if you could experience the feeling of it, much like taking drugs, like acid, you cannot explain to a person who hasn't, what it really feels like.

 

You can't explain how it ups the ante to what "freedom" means and feels like.

 

Most "conservatives" are truly good, but some are "ex" hedonists. Experienced some fooling around as kids, but grew out of it once they found "love".

 

But for those who can't, couldn't, wouldn't.. the hedonist goes on, until it's addiction.

 

 

In the end, we all die the same. Return to the earth. Whether we lived good, raised kids, or died alone, we won't know it after.

 

 

We won't know whether we "bettered" the world. We will just cease to exist and think and know.

[KathyM]

 

They will go join a gang. Go join a circus, as they used to say. Go be a slut. Go do drugs. Get a tat. Rebel.

 

 

I thought, "why not just laugh?"

 

 

Why not turn it into some comedic situation? Because they can't....

 

 

Because the conservative way, creates a lack of humor in those situations. They're just not funny and don't know how to be.....

There's nothing humorous about a child who is strung out on drugs, homeless, alcoholic, a gang member or turns to a life of crime and ends up in prison. Do you find something funny or humorous about that? It's just sad, and unfortunate. Most often, it is the dysfunctional families that produce children who are so screwed up.

[Woggle]

This is the kind of stuff that gives liberals a bad name and I am a liberal myself.

[InnocentMan]

My daughter's father and I are very liberal. If any of our daughter's boyfriends had introduced them to drugs...I would have immediately called the police. If no results, I 'd have bought a gun and shot him.

 

As an RN for 30 years I would have got off with a not guilty verdict for protecting the safety of my girls as any mother would do...especially one who sees the devastation every day that drugs do.

 

Good luck with that, if it ever happens.

[maturityassets]

I grew up in a conservative and restrictive family. There is nothing as sapping of my creativity as family. Growing up in my household conditioned myself to face social anxiety, prefectionism and depression. If I didn't start therapy when I started college I might have ended up a alcoholic for all I know. We must all laugh at life. Conservative values which try to cover their petty insecurity for power behind purity values, destroy our ability to be ourselves. I do not endorse hedonism, I endorse a life which one treats his life they he wants to as an individual. Not addicted to sex, drugs, alcohol, religion or anything in the matter but instead with a will to health and power people will find relationships and friendships that best compliment themselves!

Edited April 6, 2014 by maturityassets

[DaisyLeigh1967]

I grew up with fairly conservative values and I think I am very creative. Other have said as much to me, as well.

 

I don't think being a druggie makes you so enlightened and free. I think it is a type of prison that will totally destroy you. Not to mention it is extremely selfish and stupid and a waste of potential, as well as talent.

[Haydn]

Nice.

 

 

My daughter's father and I are very liberal. If any of our daughter's boyfriends had introduced them to drugs...I would have immediately called the police. If no results, I 'd have bought a gun and shot him.

 

As an RN for 30 years I would have got off with a not guilty verdict for protecting the safety of my girls as any mother would do...especially one who sees the devastation every day that drugs do.

[amaysngrace]

George W Bush is a very funny guy and he's a conservative and stupid boring Harry Reid has zero sense of humor so I'm having a hard time with what you're saying.

 

You make no sense to me.

[maturityassets]

I grew up with fairly conservative values and I think I am very creative. Other have said as much to me, as well.

 

I don't think being a druggie makes you so enlightened and free. I think it is a type of prison that will totally destroy you. Not to mention it is extremely selfish and stupid and a waste of potential, as well as talent.

I think most people are misunderstanding what the OP meant. The Op is not saying go become addicts. Merely he is saying that there is a freeing sense in doing hedonistic things from decadent and controlling conservative values. Something that only people who have hit the bottom, those who have suffered the terrible upbringing in conservative families. Some people do flourish in conservative families and others become black sheep and punish themselves; which explains why they become addicts. But the OP is merely praising these addicts because they at least expose the tyrannical nature of Conservative families and that people who are championing "goodness" "purity" and "altruism" are actually the selfish and manipulative bunch

[ProudLoner]

Yes this applies only for the blacksheeps.

 

And the blacksheeps are the ones we need to focus on. We are in denial, we label things.. "low self esteem" "fat" "ugly" "insecure" "depressed" "autistic".

 

REally they are passing the buck. Parents don't want responsiblity for that. The "damage child" who requires their attention.

 

So they neglect them. Buy them video games and toys and hope they get better.

 

But it is a way of judging, pointing out.. like assets says, who the "good" and the "bad" really are, to a child's eyes.

 

The kids see some parents as selfish. More into their own unsatisfaction with their marriage or job, that the kids drawings, or art, gets a little "that's nice" But children FEEL the lack of true attention.

 

Thus, "attention seekers".

[amaysngrace]

Maybe that's why George W Bush has his art hanging in his library...

[SpiralOut]

I'm not so sure that conservatives are the ones who kill the creative spirit. Someone who is resentful of the talents of others, who regrets not pursuing their own dreams, who doesn't want to believe that anyone else can do what they themselves have never done - that's the sort of person who will discourage others from being artistic. There are some conservatives who are like that, yes, but not all of them.

[SummerAngel]

I had a drug addiction and I come from a very conservative, well-to-do family. Every family has their issues, rich or poor, political or not, religious or not. It's hard to say certain families bring certain children, but it doesn't matter. My older brother is an engineer and he has the most issues. As much as heredity or environment play into what we become, it's really up to us. I don't think adults should blame their parents etc. for their problems. Get help and take ownership of where you've come from. That has made you who you are today. Be proud of who you are. You're stronger than you think.

[preraph]

One thing I know for sure: The more oppression kids/teens grow up with, the more extreme their rebellion will be. No, not every one rebels that way, but a whole lot of them do. I completely sympathize with it. I grew up in an ultraconservative Christian church cult community, hellfire and damnation, only one way to heaven, etc. Having been around quite a while now, I can tell you the biggest wildest most glorious rebels I ever met came out of that environment.

 

Being extremely strict with kids breeds just as many problems as being extremely lax and not training them. It gives them a huge hurdle to cross before they can find themselves because their individuality has been systematically drilled out of them. It makes them have to take large steps to regain their freedom. Saw it over and over again at a school for troubled teens a sibling counseled at. The general concensus by the staff there was that the parents were who needed to be there, not their oppressed to madness kids.

[KathyM]

Well, I grew up in a conservative Christian home. It was not at all oppressive. And I am very creative. I play several musical instruments. I've composed music. I enjoy art/craft projects. I've learned many forms of dance. My kids grew up in a conservative Christian home. Not at all oppressive. They play musical instruments. They write poetry. They are skilled at drawing. They make things. They would not consider themselves oppressed at all.

[bluegreen]

One thing is conservative another fanatic any holly book "thumper"

[SolG]

My father was largely conservative. I remember having a huge debate with him about homosexuality as a teen. He swore black and blue that he would disown my brother if he ever came out as gay; I called him on it and said it wouldn't be so given how much he loved him. Neither of us ever backed down on that one; 'til the day Dad died. I still believe he was wrong... but it was never tested :-)

 

I actually don't think it's conservatism per se that is the issue. I'm the 'black sheep' in my immediate family. I vote differently, think differently, live differently ... to all of my siblings. We debate, we disagree... sometimes we get quite heated about our differences. However, we love and care for each other deeply. Wouldn't trade my fam for the world. And I know they wouldn't trade me. We have unconditional loyalty and love... even though at times we metaphorically kick each others' ar&*s. We allow each other to be who we are.

 

I think the problem is more some peoples' view that there is an absolute right way to live that is the issue. Especially parents that enforce the absolute rigidly and brook no difference; unable to concede the validity of any other view but their own.

 

I'm a socially progressive bleeding heart liberal. And my daughter once admonished me for being so intolerant of intolerance as to be bloody minded and restrictive of other peoples' views. Out of the mouths of babes...

 

So I don't think the conservatives have a monopoly on confining creativity and freedom of thought and action in their children. Although it may be more prevalent among groups such as the religious right, people of all walks of life and persuasion can make that mistake.

[KathyM]

Well, there are plenty of examples of people who grew up in a conservative religious home who excel at creative pursuits. People who are professional musicians, professional dancers, actors, singers and artists. I know many people IRL who grew up in a conservative Christian home who are now a professional in the arts. So that would disprove your theory right there. Many Christians encourage their children to get involved in artistic pursuits.

[janedoe67]

This is such a...inaccurate generalization.

 

I grew up in a conservative Christian home. My creative pursuits were encouraged. Yes, I was also encouraged not to drink, do drugs, or sleep around (the horror!). Now, the church I attended for awhile was a bit....off the rails. But my family? They taught me to be responsible, to work hard, to be socially aware and emotionally intelligent (a skill that CAN be learned BTW).

 

I was kind of the "weirdo" of the family, and yes, I did feel that at times. But I was absolutely loved.

 

A parent who just lets their kid do whatever while they sit back and chalk the destruction up to "freedom" is a rotten parent, IMO.

[Noproblem]

I really feel sad and angry because some families are so conservative that they suffocate their kids to death or to being lost.

 

I am liberal myself, my family is half-half.

 

But I came from a very conservative society and many people are just nuts and I don't mean it in a political way either.

 

But, you don't know how they take the freedom from their children until you live there and experience such life.

 

Too liberals also will not make a good family I guess, unless they could balance their views with parenting.

 

Balance is the key, you don't want t spoil your kids, or deny them everything.

 

But who is logical these days, it's all my way or the high way, the kids are the victims, until they repeat the circle