dichotomy Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Over 4 years ago I was way over weight and way out of shape. Got in shape - lots of nice compliments..... but in the 12 months ....Ugh....I have officially become fit fat. I am lifting more then ever - personal bests, I can feel and see the added muscle and strength. I am shoulder pressing what I used to bench! My cardiovascular is still pretty good and I don't get winded easy. I am now starting to add hill sprints/HIIT to my routines and I a walk a fair amount each day. My flexibility is better then ever as well with some yoga each week. But a year ago I stopped on the diet....I am eating too much (second helpings and more) too many treats ....eating before bed....and my gut and face show it. I am embarrassed and upset with my appearance. A strange mix - fit fat. You can't out train a crap diet. time to cut. Edited May 19, 2014 by dichotomy 2 Link to post Share on other sites
RonaldS Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 It's a numbers game.... Caloric intake > caloric use = gain Caloric intake = caloric use = stasis Caloric intake < caloric use = loss Of course, there are a numbers of nuances and variables that can influence the overall numbers, but that's pretty much the just of the deal. Portion control is huge. You never need seconds....you just want them. Try not to eat or drink what you don't need. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Over 4 years ago I was way over weight and way out of shape. Got in shape - lots of nice compliments..... but in the 12 months ....Ugh....I have officially become fit fat. I am lifting more then ever - personal bests, I can feel and see the added muscle and strength. I am shoulder pressing what I used to bench! My cardiovascular is still pretty good and I don't get winded easy. I am now starting to add hill sprints/HIIT to my routines and I a walk a fair amount each day. My flexibility is better then ever as well with some yoga each week. But a year ago I stopped on the diet....I am eating too much (second helpings and more) too many treats ....eating before bed....and my gut and face show it. I am embarrassed and upset with my appearance. A strange mix - fit fat. You can't out train a crap diet. time to cut. Maybe you cant...but I could...easily...Heck I dont even have to train.:laugh:...But I have never been truly fat ever... Not everyone gets fat on high fat/junk diets..Most do...some dont..Youll get it back.... TFY 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pink_sugar Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I can relate, OP, to the fit fat thing. I've been highly active, but still technically weigh the same because I eat a lot. I've noticed I'm more toned, but the same weight. I guess that's better than just being plain overweight, but I'd like to slim down if even 5-8 pounds. I need to really start focusing on my diet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RonaldS Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Eating less takes some training, but once your body gets accustomed to it, it's easier to push yourself away from the table. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
lollipopspot Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I've never been "fit fat," but I have been "skinny fat"...meaning, not overweight, but not in shape, so having pudge even though my weight is low. I'm a vegan and I think that has helped to keep my weight under control, but it's important to exercise regularly (the right kind of exercise - just walking around won't do it) even when you have no weight to lose. Link to post Share on other sites
Author dichotomy Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 Thanks for all the comments. I think going hungry was easier early on when I struggled with working out. Once I started being able to hit the weights hard, or the treadmill hard, my desire for calories zoomed. Mainly its my gut and face were the fat as gone most noticeably. I feel pretty darn good - best ever strong, good endurance, lungs etc.....I am just gotten too bulky. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Thanks for all the comments. I think going hungry was easier early on when I struggled with working out. Once I started being able to hit the weights hard, or the treadmill hard, my desire for calories zoomed. Mainly its my gut and face were the fat as gone most noticeably. I feel pretty darn good - best ever strong, good endurance, lungs etc.....I am just gotten too bulky. send a PM to tman666 he might lurk around occasionally, his advice is fantastic usually. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Considering the fact that I'd need to run for an hour to burn off one ice-cream, I've always viewed diet as much more important than exercise in terms of controlling weight. I suppose for people who are larger, have higher metabolism, and build muscle quicker, the difference might not be so severe. And we all still need exercise for general health/fitness. But it definitely isn't as easy to 'out-train' a poor diet as some people think. It might work if you were eating clean and working a very physical job. But considering the average modern lifestyle - sedentary job, and processed high glycemic index food - not likely. Don't be so hard on yourself, though! If you're within a healthy weight and exercising regularly, you're doing well by most standards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author dichotomy Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Considering the fact that I'd need to run for an hour to burn off one ice-cream, I've always viewed diet as much more important than exercise in terms of controlling weight. I suppose for people who are larger, have higher metabolism, and build muscle quicker, the difference might not be so severe. And we all still need exercise for general health/fitness. But it definitely isn't as easy to 'out-train' a poor diet as some people think. It might work if you were eating clean and working a very physical job. But considering the average modern lifestyle - sedentary job, and processed high glycemic index food - not likely. Don't be so hard on yourself, though! If you're within a healthy weight and exercising regularly, you're doing well by most standards. Thanks. Ya reading those calories burned readouts on the treadmill is depressing - but it makes you realize how much you can do by just skipping a treat! Scale weight is a factor and I know what i need to get down too at a minimum, but at my shape and size (thanks to lifting weights) - waist/pant size and how my face appearance is the main way for me to assess how much extra fat I am carrying. As far as my shape/frame....Let just say this - Pants I can still find easily, but shirts and jackets that fit me - not so much. Edited May 20, 2014 by dichotomy Link to post Share on other sites
EasyHeart Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 As far as my shape/frame....Let just say this - at your average U.S. department store that sells mens suits and blazer(kohls, carsons) - i can find dress pants that fit (with a few larger sizes still available). It would be unlikely that I could find any suit jacket or blazer that would fit me.Well, part of that is the idiotic fashion trends we have going on in men's clothing nowadays. I was a perfect size M for 25 years and never had any problem finding tons of clothes that fit. Then starting a few years ago, I couldn't fit into anything. Hell, a lot of the time now, I can't even fit my arm into the sleeve of shirts and jackets! It's absurd. I am hoping this stick-boy fashion trend dies soon. And painfully. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Are you actually hungry, or eating for other reasons? If you're hungry, maybe you need different foods (more protein and fats and less sugars). 2 Link to post Share on other sites
learning_slowly Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Are you lifting to increase in size? I think there's a lot of people out there that will agree overeating while trying to increase muscle mass is the way to go, and then do a cutting period to lose the fat, but keep the muscle. If you are just worried you are fat, I would just google "cutting". Good luck 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GoreSP Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Well I guess I am fit fat too lol I think the idea is the quality of food you intake... I mean 500 calories from a big mac can't be the same as 500 calories from a balances meal... Also, considering how crappy I feel after a junk meal, I can't imagine being able to keep up with my training on a crap diet... Link to post Share on other sites
RonaldS Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Well I guess I am fit fat too lol I think the idea is the quality of food you intake... I mean 500 calories from a big mac can't be the same as 500 calories from a balances meal... Also, considering how crappy I feel after a junk meal, I can't imagine being able to keep up with my training on a crap diet... Well, a calorie is just a calorie. It's a unit of energy, so 500 calories from a Big Mac is effectively the same as 500 calories from a smoothie. If you want to talk nourished vs malnourished, that's where foods begin to differentiate. That's a related, but sort of unrelated, discussion. If your body requires 2500 kcal a day to run itself (including all metabolic functions, locomotive process, healing, etc), and you are only taking in 2000 kcal a day but 500 kcal of that is Big Mac and 500 kcal is peanut butter cups, guess what.....you're still going to lose weight. Your body won't have a choice....it's at an energy deficit and will need to compensate for the shortage by borrowing from it's fat reserves. Now, should you diet on Big Macs and peanut butter cups? No, but that's mainly because nutritionally, there are far better foods to eat. While we were having kids, I didn't realize how lazy I had gotten. I was always super active and athletic, but with the kids and the eating out constantly, I got up to 255 from my normal 205-210 (fortunately, only for several months). It was gross. So, i started working out harder and went down to a 'fit fat' 235. I was like that for a few years. Then, once we were divorced, I was sick of having the gut and chubby face. I started working out a lot harder and more frequently, and cut maybe 750-1000 kcal out of my diet. I was back down to 205 in about 6 weeks. I even dipped into the 100s for a few weeks, but I didn't look good at that weight. So, 205-210 is where I stay. I've bumped my intake back up by ~700-800kcal/day, which is nice because I like to eat, and I like to eat junk food. But the weight stays static. Lose the weight and then find your equilibrium. Once you do that, you can plug a certain # of calories in as treats w/o worry. But of course, the healthier you eat overall, the healthier you will be. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Z Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The key to diets is to not go on diets. It is all about changing your lifestyle and never looking back. I look around now at what people eat and can hardly even imagine eating like that anymore. Hell, for two years I barely ate anything besides raw vegetables. But that set the tone and now I never think about eating crap any more. I like going into places like Starbucks or 7-11 and looking at all of the crap that other people eat. It reminds me of how far I've come. And I love it!!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author dichotomy Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 The key to diets is to not go on diets. It is all about changing your lifestyle and never looking back. I look around now at what people eat and can hardly even imagine eating like that anymore. Hell, for two years I barely ate anything besides raw vegetables. But that set the tone and now I never think about eating crap any more. I like going into places like Starbucks or 7-11 and looking at all of the crap that other people eat. It reminds me of how far I've come. And I love it!!! LOL ! Actually there is a 7-11 right across from my office building. I just got a banana, some light string cheese and a La Croix. These also have some Greek yogurts and snack pouches of plain almonds.....Not bad.....except the occasional blue berry muffin or baked lay's I get. Got to make the right choices. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
pink_sugar Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The key to diets is to not go on diets. It is all about changing your lifestyle and never looking back. I look around now at what people eat and can hardly even imagine eating like that anymore. Hell, for two years I barely ate anything besides raw vegetables. But that set the tone and now I never think about eating crap any more. I like going into places like Starbucks or 7-11 and looking at all of the crap that other people eat. It reminds me of how far I've come. And I love it!!! I don't think Starbucks is bad...the biggest killer is the calories in their drinks and pastries, but having worked there (Gained weight each time, LOL), I can say that nothing is processed and made with natural ingredients...but as I mentioned...it's the calories. Their salads and sandwiches are pretty healthy, but they are very pricey, so you're better off going to Trader Joes or something. Link to post Share on other sites
Imported Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I agree. You can't. Not for long anyway. I eat real food. Sometimes I eat over the calories I burn, but overall, I am usually under. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I wonder how many poor black dudes, who gre up impoverished and in the inner city, who lived their whole lives with the absoute shyttiest diet you could ever draw up, then went on to excel in their respective sports and become 6'6" 275 lb powerhouse ball players would agree with the logic that "you cant out train a lousy diet"?? After they get up from falling on the floor laughing, probably none of them... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I wonder how many poor black dudes, who gre up impoverished and in the inner city, who lived their whole lives with the absoute shyttiest diet you could ever draw up, then went on to excel in their respective sports and become 6'6" 275 lb powerhouse ball players would agree with the logic that "you cant out train a lousy diet"?? After they get up from falling on the floor laughing, probably none of them... TFY They are young and train hard. My boxer friend can eat what he likes - except when he starts his diet before a fight - but he is 24 years old and pure muscle. He is very fit and burns pretty much anything he eats. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 They are young and train hard. My boxer friend can eat what he likes - except when he starts his diet before a fight - but he is 24 years old and pure muscle. He is very fit and burns pretty much anything he eats. Im middle aged, and I train hard....I dont, but I can pretty much eat whatever I want, and even when I turn it down and barely train(injury) I dont gain any fat despite continuing to eat heavy. The no 1 pick in the NFL draft Jadeveon Clowney is a beast...The knock on him is that he doesnt work hard...I dont know what his diet it/was like, but id be willing to bet that it wasnt textbook. Point is, no two people are the same when it comes to metabolizing food....Some are more prone to pack pounds on while others seemigly never do.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Im middle aged, and I train hard....I dont, but I can pretty much eat whatever I want, and even when I turn it down and barely train(injury) I dont gain any fat despite continuing to eat heavy. We take your word for it The no 1 pick in the NFL draft Jadeveon Clowney is a beast...The knock on him is that he doesnt work hard...I dont know what his diet it/was like, but id be willing to bet that it wasnt textbook. A professional athlete has standards to adhere to and you can't really compare them to us mere civilians. Point is, no two people are the same when it comes to metabolizing food....Some are more prone to pack pounds on while others seemigly never do.. TFY No but the vast majority of ordinary mortal souls have to watch what we eat and loveshack is created for us ordinary mortal souls. Not for professional athletes or freaks of nature. Link to post Share on other sites
GoreSP Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I wonder how many poor black dudes, who gre up impoverished and in the inner city, who lived their whole lives with the absoute shyttiest diet you could ever draw up, then went on to excel in their respective sports and become 6'6" 275 lb powerhouse ball players would agree with the logic that "you cant out train a lousy diet"?? After they get up from falling on the floor laughing, probably none of them... TFY I wonder how many of them kept up with their crappy diet and had long careers during which they continued to excel in their respective sports. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I wonder how many of them kept up with their crappy diet and had long careers during which they continued to excel in their respective sports. More than you think... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
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