Why can't some people just let it go?

[2sunny]

Your concise version of exactly what she did and what she said has been noted. Same with your Mm.

 

And I'd like to ask if you said anything to her at all? If so, what did you say? Did you move far away from her or stay close?

[jwi71]

OP, you have clearly, very simply and logically explained why you took your car there to be serviced. It all makes sense if one can look at it objectively.

 

I, too, am a single woman and have people I trust who help me with my car, finances, health etc. I need these people, trust them, and depend on them in order to live my life. I am not about to switch to other providers of services when I have forged trusting relationships with those I use. These people are vital to my security.

 

No ex H, ex fiance, exMM, BS is a reason for me to stop getting help where I need it from people I trust and have established working relationships with. Even for a seemingly small issue.

 

I do not understand the position of some of you who think OP should have gone to a different mechanic. Ask yourself honestly, is it possible you are looking to nitpick at OP? If not then maybe you might want to rethink her position on this and yours in criticizing her about it.

 

I'm not looking to nitpick at all.

 

Amy was deservedly upset about the confrontation. Who wouldn't be? She, and others, have quite verbally defended her right to take her car there and the reasons so. All of which are valid.

What she has FAILED to understand is her ROLE in this mess.

 

One does not get to draw a line in the sand over car repair - knowing what she knew BEFOREHAND- and the decry the "crazy BS" - who had a significant non-zero chance of showing up - when she DOES appear and craziness entails. In fact, the very title of this thread is along the lines of not-letting go (reference to the BS).

 

Why not AVOID it? Why decry the very drama ONE helps create (referring to her car repair choice - not her R with him (Its not honest to call it an A from her PoV)?

 

That's what I don't understand - I know she didn't INTEND for it to be - or even know he would be there. But come on - his business is next door and the "crazy BS" is known for appearing at the locations - why not just avoid it all to begin with?

 

But lets stop belaboring the point on choice of location. The one thing that has YET to be explained - is why engage in the soon-to-be-D-BF(?)? Why not just tell him no, go away I don't want to talk to you. Or even "What if you stbxw (who is known to drop by) comes by - lets talk later"

 

OP, I understand you are here to process your emotions over this troubling situation. I know it is awful to have someone like this in one's life.

If Amy thinks its bad NOW - IF (and I suspect she will) begins dating him - oh man - it'll be an interesting courtship that's for certain!

 

You are an exemplary example of how a woman should react and behave when she finds she is dating a MM.

She did what was right for her - and her actions happen to align with how I, and most humans, feel about dating an already M person.

 

You have done nothing wrong by having your car serviced where you have had it serviced for years. Whether or not ex bf is camped out five feet from the property line of your mechanic's place 24/7.

Technically true - but the phrase "Asking for trouble" comes to mind.

One doesn't get to throw rocks at a hornets nest then cry foul when stung.

 

And you has done nothing wrong by speaking with him when he approached you.

Again - technically true. Except given all that was known a priori - this was not a course of action that would reasonably minimize drama.

 

Heck! I speak to both OWs (who stole my exH and my ex fiance) casually from time to time myself. There are other people who behave this way, also, and OP seems to be one them. It's called being gracious, not holding a grudge and having class.

I like that you and they can have civil discourse.

 

Unfortunately, at this time, and as was previously known, the BS is NOT.

One would, provided they do NOT like drama, try and avoid such situations - to a reasonable degree.

 

Look, I get what Amy saying - why should SHE alter, to any degree, her life because this BS's stbxh is a lying cheat? I get it.

 

She's RIGHT! She SHOULDN'T have to change one iota. One more time - Amy is RIGHT - she SHOULDN'T have to at all - in a sense, it isn't fair.

 

But sometimes, we gotta make a choice - the injustice of choosing a different car place (avoid drama) or the reasonable risk of some drama. No, it isn't strictly fair - but that's what she has.

 

I would implore that Amy maybe be somewhat flexible in her choices for the time being - balance the reasonable chance of drama vs her favorite car place - or ANY place as this sounds like a small town.

[jwi71]

Amy-

 

I don't like apologizing in PM's for public statements - it strikes me as cowardly.

 

I would like to apologize for my words in a no longer visible post - the last sentence was clearly inappropriate.

 

JW

[Ailsa1983]

Haven't read the whole thread ...

 

But as a xow who's affair was discovered almost 2 years ago it still doesn't get any easier, this weekend was like D-Day all over again (I will write a new thread in time when I digest everything that happened) basically I have avoided them as much as possible in a small town of 10'000 folks, this weekend I went to our annual history event and my boyfriend and xmm got into a fight because of xmm wife going off on one. They will never forgive you for the affair even though they will forgive their husband (yeah ironic I know) they will never let you or everyone else who knows you forget it either. Apart from moving away there's nothing much else to do, you have to put your big girl panties on and deal with it because it will never go away. Be angry, upset, affronted etc etc it's not going to help you. My suggestion would be to lay low for a while I know you think you shouldn't but trust me it's best before it gets way out of hand. Let them deal with their divorce/reconciliation and stay away from him.

[Treasa]

How I would have handled it:

 

1. I wouldn't have gone to a business to get my car serviced that is right next to one of his businesses.

2. If I had to do that, however, and he came over, I would have asked my friends who own the place to ask him to leave.

3. I would have gone into the office. I've never seen any kind of place that lifts cars that doesn't have an office.

[2sunny]

You are considering dating him in the future.

 

Expect even more of her craziness.

 

His kids won't likely be open to you two dating.

 

Why not date a single guy?

[Hope Shimmers]

Why not date a single guy?

 

Why not abstain from giving advice that was not requested and has nothing to do with the topic of the thread?

[Speakingofwhich]

Your concise version of exactly what she did and what she said has been noted. Same with your Mm.

 

And I'd like to ask if you said anything to her at all? If so, what did you say? Did you move far away from her or stay close?

 

Not sure whom you're addressing, 2sunny. Wondering if it is me or OP or someone else? Thanks.

[Ailsa1983]

You are considering dating him in the future.

 

Expect even more of her craziness.

 

His kids won't likely be open to you two dating.

 

Why not date a single guy?

 

 

She most likely doesn't even want him but wants her own revenge on both of them, this is what I did after D-Day, emotions are running high and everyone involved isn't thinking properly the wife and ow are only concerned about avenging each other and mm is only thinking of himself and tries to stay out of it completely like the cowards they are.

[2sunny]

Not sure whom you're addressing, 2sunny. Wondering if it is me or OP or someone else? Thanks.

 

The OP....

[chelsea2011]

AmyBamy, it's not your fault he misrepresented himself and you handled the situation with integrity when you found out. That's great. Not everyone has that kind of strength; you deserve a pat on the back.

 

Now that you know his stbxw's state of mind - the oil change confrontation being followed by drunken voicemails - I highly suggest you keep as much distance as you can. If you need to get your car serviced have someone pick you up and get you out of there while it's being worked on (call a cab if you have to...lol). Her behavior is out of control and even though it's not your fault, give her a WIDE birth to avoid being pulled into the craziness. Just accept the fact that some people are incapable of maintaining composure in difficult circumstances and she is one of them.

 

In short, you will be subjected to ongoing drama everytime she sees you, so do the best you can to avoid it as much as possible.

[AmyBamy]

Your concise version of exactly what she did and what she said has been noted. Same with your Mm.

 

And I'd like to ask if you said anything to her at all? If so, what did you say? Did you move far away from her or stay close?

 

I did not say a word to her. I simply shook my head. By that point, the mechanics had come out of the shop as they could see there was some sort of something going on. My mechanic stepped between she and I protectively and said a few choice words to her and at that point, I really couldn't see much of her because he is a BIG man and was sort of holding his arm out in front of me and blocking me with his body. He told her to leave his property and then told exMM to get her off of his property too.

 

I didn't move away because I didn't feel the need to and again, there wasn't anywhere for me to go really. I wasn't going to start walking down the street (which has no sidewalks actually) so that she could get in her car and run me over. And I had no reason to leave, I wasn't doing anything but sitting on a bench in the sunshine texting and playing on my phone.

 

She screamed a few things at me, calling me names and such but I just looked at her neutrally. I think I said "Okay whatever" at some point but no, I did not turn away from her. I know better than to turn my back on someone that is acting that way towards me and I knew that legally I had the right to be where I was and she did not.

[AmyBamy]

She most likely doesn't even want him but wants her own revenge on both of them, this is what I did after D-Day, emotions are running high and everyone involved isn't thinking properly the wife and ow are only concerned about avenging each other and mm is only thinking of himself and tries to stay out of it completely like the cowards they are.

 

I honestly believe that if it was anyone but me there wouldn't have been that reaction - maybe. Thing is the "d-day" for BOTH she and I was almost 8 months ago. This is not fresh or new. It's almost a year old.

[AmyBamy]

Why not abstain from giving advice that was not requested and has nothing to do with the topic of the thread?

 

And I have mentioned several times that I AM dating single men. I have only ever dated single men as far as I knew! Hell, I might date the mechanic... lol

[AmyBamy]

I'm not looking to nitpick at all.

 

Amy was deservedly upset about the confrontation. Who wouldn't be? She, and others, have quite verbally defended her right to take her car there and the reasons so. All of which are valid.

What she has FAILED to understand is her ROLE in this mess.

 

One does not get to draw a line in the sand over car repair - knowing what she knew BEFOREHAND- and the decry the "crazy BS" - who had a significant non-zero chance of showing up - when she DOES appear and craziness entails. In fact, the very title of this thread is along the lines of not-letting go (reference to the BS).

 

Why not AVOID it? Why decry the very drama ONE helps create (referring to her car repair choice - not her R with him (Its not honest to call it an A from her PoV)?

 

That's what I don't understand - I know she didn't INTEND for it to be - or even know he would be there. But come on - his business is next door and the "crazy BS" is known for appearing at the locations - why not just avoid it all to begin with?

 

But lets stop belaboring the point on choice of location. The one thing that has YET to be explained - is why engage in the soon-to-be-D-BF(?)? Why not just tell him no, go away I don't want to talk to you. Or even "What if you stbxw (who is known to drop by) comes by - lets talk later"

 

If Amy thinks its bad NOW - IF (and I suspect she will) begins dating him - oh man - it'll be an interesting courtship that's for certain!

 

She did what was right for her - and her actions happen to align with how I, and most humans, feel about dating an already M person.

 

Technically true - but the phrase "Asking for trouble" comes to mind.

One doesn't get to throw rocks at a hornets nest then cry foul when stung.

 

Again - technically true. Except given all that was known a priori - this was not a course of action that would reasonably minimize drama.

 

I like that you and they can have civil discourse.

 

Unfortunately, at this time, and as was previously known, the BS is NOT.

One would, provided they do NOT like drama, try and avoid such situations - to a reasonable degree.

 

Look, I get what Amy saying - why should SHE alter, to any degree, her life because this BS's stbxh is a lying cheat? I get it.

 

She's RIGHT! She SHOULDN'T have to change one iota. One more time - Amy is RIGHT - she SHOULDN'T have to at all - in a sense, it isn't fair.

 

But sometimes, we gotta make a choice - the injustice of choosing a different car place (avoid drama) or the reasonable risk of some drama. No, it isn't strictly fair - but that's what she has.

 

I would implore that Amy maybe be somewhat flexible in her choices for the time being - balance the reasonable chance of drama vs her favorite car place - or ANY place as this sounds like a small town.

 

I get that people are saying I COULD avoid her but I just don't think that I should have to. Sure, I could hole up and move all of my business elsewhere and start completely over in creating a life for myself - but I don't want to and I shouldn't have to. If I was acting like this towards her NOBODY would be telling me "Yeah, you have the right bc you're hurt! Let her move and let her avoid you!". It's just ridiculous.

 

Can I avoid her? Not entirely and I can't entirely avoid him either. I DO try to avoid them but it's just not always possible. And no, I don't seek them out, trust me, I cringe at the thought of seeing her acting like that especially with the kids in tow. But in all reality these are HER behaviors and these are her problems and not mine.

[Speakingofwhich]

I'm not looking to nitpick at all.

 

Amy was deservedly upset about the confrontation. Who wouldn't be? She, and others, have quite verbally defended her right to take her car there and the reasons so. All of which are valid.

What she has FAILED to understand is her ROLE in this mess.

 

One does not get to draw a line in the sand over car repair - knowing what she knew BEFOREHAND- and the decry the "crazy BS" - who had a significant non-zero chance of showing up - when she DOES appear and craziness entails. In fact, the very title of this thread is along the lines of not-letting go (reference to the BS).

 

Why not AVOID it? Why decry the very drama ONE helps create (referring to her car repair choice - not her R with him (Its not honest to call it an A from her PoV)?

 

That's what I don't understand - I know she didn't INTEND for it to be - or even know he would be there. But come on - his business is next door and the "crazy BS" is known for appearing at the locations - why not just avoid it all to begin with?

 

But lets stop belaboring the point on choice of location. The one thing that has YET to be explained - is why engage in the soon-to-be-D-BF(?)? Why not just tell him no, go away I don't want to talk to you. Or even "What if you stbxw (who is known to drop by) comes by - lets talk later"

 

If Amy thinks its bad NOW - IF (and I suspect she will) begins dating him - oh man - it'll be an interesting courtship that's for certain!

 

She did what was right for her - and her actions happen to align with how I, and most humans, feel about dating an already M person.

 

Technically true - but the phrase "Asking for trouble" comes to mind.

One doesn't get to throw rocks at a hornets nest then cry foul when stung.

 

Again - technically true. Except given all that was known a priori - this was not a course of action that would reasonably minimize drama.

 

I like that you and they can have civil discourse.

 

Unfortunately, at this time, and as was previously known, the BS is NOT.

One would, provided they do NOT like drama, try and avoid such situations - to a reasonable degree.

 

Look, I get what Amy saying - why should SHE alter, to any degree, her life because this BS's stbxh is a lying cheat? I get it.

 

She's RIGHT! She SHOULDN'T have to change one iota. One more time - Amy is RIGHT - she SHOULDN'T have to at all - in a sense, it isn't fair.

 

But sometimes, we gotta make a choice - the injustice of choosing a different car place (avoid drama) or the reasonable risk of some drama. No, it isn't strictly fair - but that's what she has.

 

I would implore that Amy maybe be somewhat flexible in her choices for the time being - balance the reasonable chance of drama vs her favorite car place - or ANY place as this sounds like a small town.

 

jwi71, thanks for your courteous and well thought out response to my post! I wanted to respond to yours in the same way you responded to mine, by quoting a sentence or two and responding specifically but I can't figure out how to do that so use bolded to respond and recently offended another poster by doing so.

 

I have recently had a post edited by moderation (in this thread) for posting personal experience or something of that sort in this thread and so am trying to pay more attention to forum rules.

 

It occurs to me that I've seen a moderator post that there should be no back and forth discussing the OP between posters.

 

Do you or anyone else know if this is true or not?

 

I like your post and the way you have addressed me is so courteous that I don't want to ignore you but I do want to stay within forum guidelines and am not sure what to do.

 

Also, as long as I'm asking, am I allowed to use personal situations I've been in to illustrate the reason I view this situation the way I do? Hopefully, a moderator or knowledgeable about forum rules person will see this and direct me!

 

Thanks again, jwi71, the attitude of a poster makes such a difference in the LS experience! I will answer when/if I get the all clear on how to proceed!

[AmyBamy]

But the reason you're not seeing him is because of her reactions - so you are handing her the power - especially since you said you may date him in the future.

 

When a gal has been involved with a MM and the W finds out = there's likely going to be drama. That is on him because he's lied.

 

I know her actions don't seem normal - but an angry woman doesn't think rationally.

 

 

Ultimately he is to blame. He lied. He created the reason for her anger.

 

He could have avoided further drama by not stepping over. You could have stopped him.

 

Coulda shoulda woulda - it doesn't change his lack of character.

 

Why bother when a man lacks significant character?

 

No that is not the reason I am not seeing him. It's the reason that I am not talking to him, or calling him, or whatever. I am not seeing him because he lied to me and I have yet to come to terms with that completely. He and I have not had a chance to even discuss anything bc I have not had contact with him of my own accord. That was my choice long before she started pulling this ****. I made that decision all on my own.

 

Yes, I am considering dating him. After all of this I am starting to believe that maybe, just maybe, he is not and was not the problem in his relationship with this woman. I don't know why I can't reconcile with him after he lied to me when married couples do it all the time! He and I had a good relationship no matter what anyone says. It was forming into a long lasting relationship and we did (or do?) love each other. I have no idea how the future will play out but I do not hate him and I would love to be able to forgive him and reconcile our relationship with each other. Later - when I'm in a good place and he is in a good place. And ONLY after he is completely divorced from her and situated in his life without her.

[AmyBamy]

You're so busy blaming her and defending yourself - you're not looking at the suggestions here.

 

 

You keep engaging in more actions (going to report her texts) you will get more interaction.

 

 

Go silent. Stop listening to your friends gossip about them. Act like they aren't alive.

 

Start dating SINGLE men.

 

If you don't interact they will go away.

 

I have ALWAYS dated single men, him included as far as I knew. And yes, I did take her messages to the police department today. I am not going to be bullied because she is hurt, give me a break. I do not have to live my life being harassed and stalked and threatened because she can't handle herself. Sorry but no freaking way am I going to allow that.

 

I will interact with him whenever I feel like it and however I see fit. She can learn to deal with it or end up sitting in jail it doesn't matter to me but she is not going to continue to throw tantrums and get her way. That's not how the world works for anyone and she needs some tough love right now and the police department will do just that by enacting consquences in response to her very own chosen behaviors.

[2sunny]

Ok. So you are likely to see her again at some time in your future...

 

Do you have a plan for the next time? What will you do?

[AmyBamy]

My approach in this thread has been from the perspective of a MM and past OM who did 'listen' to hearsay from mutual friends, etc, etc, as well as going through the divorce process whilst in an affair. Trust but verify. This process leads to more concrete and accurate 'whys', respecting that it's impossible to know what's in the mind of another person.

 

I would view this event as unfortunate and move on with life as customary and usual. Whether or not to interact socially is a choice, cognizant of the relevant consequences. Like you mentioned, we're adults and make adult choices and accept adult consequences.

 

Agreed. The difference is that my there should be no consequences of me talking to him. She approached us and violated a restraining order. The police are well aware of that as they were there. And now with the threatening messages and that, they are getting a warrant for her arrest. It's her own fault and as sad as I feel for her I don't feel sad enough to just let her run amok all over my life.

[AmyBamy]

Why should she let it go?

 

I'm curious - would you give the same advice if it were reversed, and the OP was a BS who was enduring this crazy behavior from a scorned and dumped AP? Because I think most people here would be saying "yep, she's crazy, get a restraining order, this woman has NO right to do this and she needs to get out of your life".

 

Does no one else here see the HUGE double standard that goes on in these threads?

 

This woman appears to be an alcoholic which is in itself a huge problem for her kids. Top it off with her behavior, and she has made her bed in terms of getting custody. Now she has lost physical custody, at least temporarily, and that is a REALLY bad position to be in during a fight for permanent custody. And she did it all to herself!

 

The fact is, the OP here has every right to interact with whomever she wants. The ex-MM is separated and divorcing. She could be dating him if she wanted to. Lives are moving on. Even if everyone here didn't like her decision to date him, it's her choice to decide whether to forgive his lies, just like it's the choice of the BS whether to forgive his lies during reconciliation. Whether she chooses to ignore or date him is not the issue and the OP has not asked for advice on that.

 

If what the OP says is true, the BS is the one who initiates the contact, not the other way around. The issue is that this BS is harassing someone else despite the existence of a restraining order, and it seems the police did not agree with most people in this thread that she should "get a pass because she's hurt" since her kids have now been taken away from her. I'm glad they are no longer at risk from this craziness.

 

In her defense, I don't think that she is an alcoholic. I think that she is using it to try to cope and whenever she does she just can't resist contacting me. Maybe that does mean she's an alocholic (it's pretty evident on the messages she left last night that she is drunk) but I don't think that she drinks regularly really.

 

The police are issuing a warrant for her arrest. I feel bad for her but I just can't continue to let her keep doing this when I'm just conducting my normal life and business. She has already showed up at my door once and I certainly don't need that happening again. She is obviously losing it and I'm not going to wait until I'm dead for someone to put her back into her place of following the laws and rules of the world we live in.

 

I am also sad that the kids are going through this but this is all a result of her choices and her actions and behaviors. Her kids are not little and they can see that she is acting crazy. They are old enough to know that when you break the law you go to jail and as sad as that is their mother is choosing that route.

 

Even through all of this I have not contacted exMM. He sent me a text that said "I'm so sorry for all of this please talk to me". He is not innnocent in choosing to have an affair but he does not deserve this either nor do his kids. His wife is miserable and is hell bent on making sure that everyone else is too.

[AmyBamy]

- yes file the complaint with the police, turn over the threatening message and cooperate fully with prosecutor if they file charges.

 

 

Violation of a restraining order and making threats with a restraining order in place is a criminal offense and that combined with her conduct at the autoshop will likely result in some actual charges being filed.

 

 

- be aware that your BF will likely come to her defense and turn on you and throw you under the bus at some point in this situation.

 

 

He will likely be all for it initially as it will help his divorce proceedings and custody case. He will change his tune quickly however when he sees the mother of his children in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit negotiating with the judge on how much time she is going to have to spend in jail and when they start getting serious about restricting her access to the children.

 

 

He may have had sweet words for you [vulgarity redacted] but this guy is no Mr Clean or going to be up for any Father of the Year awards. He is a cad and a louse himself and when it sinks in that he may be getting court-mandated FULL custody whether he wants it or not, he is going to change his tune and TURN ON YOU and make you out to be the bad guy and the homewrecker and the aggressor here.

 

 

He is going to try to smooth talk you into not filing the complaint and not testifying.

 

 

My recommendation is to do it anyway to get her off your back.

 

 

He will then throw you under the bus and counter attack on you.

 

 

I can tell you are still having some feelings for him and are still interested in possibly having a relationship with him when the divorce is over and the dust settles.

 

 

The problem is the dust is NEVER going to settle. She isn't going to just wake up and see the error of her ways and drop this and he is not going to walk away from her and then ride up to your house on a big white horse and pick you up on the back of his horse and ride off into the sunset together.

 

 

This is going to turn ugly and the more involved you are with either of them, the more egg you are going to get on your face and the more mud you are going to get on your hands.

 

I think that you are misunderstanding a few things. I did not know that he was married. There was none of this us against her crap going on ever. He filed for divorce not her. After he told her that he does not love her and is in love with someone else (me apparently) and that he just couldn't do their marriage anymore. There is no way for him to throw me under the bus as you say. She and I have talked way more about this situation than he and I have. She has all the proof that she needs to know that I had no idea that he was married and he told her as much himself which she verified by telling me the same exact thing.

 

I have no idea how he is going to throw me under the bus. What bus? There is no damn bus. And I highly doubt that he is going to have a change of heart about her no matter what happens with he and I. He currently has a protective order against her for himself and the kids. I guess in some other universe he could change his mind and just drop the divorce and if that's what he does then more power to him. I just don't see it happening. I will be fine no matter what he does because some of you just don't seem to understand I am NOT seeing him!

[AmyBamy]

[Off-topic injection redacted]

 

Your discourse is entirely REASONABLE and RATIONAL, but you don't seem to understand that people under extreme situations behave extremely.

 

Please explain to me what is so extreme about this situation? I mean honestly explain it to me like I'm a five year old. Because people end marriages every single day and I would guess that very few of them have this kind of reaction or behaviors. All the BSs reading this - how many of you reacted like this? How many of you reacted like this when you realized that the AP had no idea that your WS was married? This is not an extreme situation. It's an affair and then a divorce. It's not that big of a freaking deal. She was going to divorce him in a few years anyway she said so herself! This is about nothing more than jealousy and childishness.

[Hope Shimmers]

In her defense, I don't think that she is an alcoholic. I think that she is using it to try to cope and whenever she does she just can't resist contacting me. Maybe that does mean she's an alocholic (it's pretty evident on the messages she left last night that she is drunk) but I don't think that she drinks regularly really.

 

The police are issuing a warrant for her arrest. I feel bad for her but I just can't continue to let her keep doing this when I'm just conducting my normal life and business. She has already showed up at my door once and I certainly don't need that happening again. She is obviously losing it and I'm not going to wait until I'm dead for someone to put her back into her place of following the laws and rules of the world we live in.

 

I am also sad that the kids are going through this but this is all a result of her choices and her actions and behaviors. Her kids are not little and they can see that she is acting crazy. They are old enough to know that when you break the law you go to jail and as sad as that is their mother is choosing that route.

 

Even through all of this I have not contacted exMM. He sent me a text that said "I'm so sorry for all of this please talk to me". He is not innnocent in choosing to have an affair but he does not deserve this either nor do his kids. His wife is miserable and is hell bent on making sure that everyone else is too.

 

I do think that you need to really watch your back. This is the kind of extreme behavior that you read about in the papers - she could literally pull a gun out and shoot you on the street.

[AmyBamy]

Amy-

 

I don't like apologizing in PM's for public statements - it strikes me as cowardly.

 

I would like to apologize for my words in a no longer visible post - the last sentence was clearly inappropriate.

 

JW

 

I didn't see it but thank you I think.