Why should "the rules" have to change to negate your fears of rejection?

[ThaWholigan]

Had to grow into the role of pursuing, now I quite like it. But it's always a nice change of pace to have a girl move to me . Whatever the rules are, I have no problems adapting, but I make my preferences known in the moment.

[alwayshere]

That means you wouldn't have any issue with men calling women sluts or any masculine behavior that most feminists hate because it's social behavior and not rights.

 

Where in the holy heck do you get this? You think traditional women think men who call women sluts are masculine? Think again.

 

Why are people so obsessed with other people's relationship habits?

[Glinda.Good]

Men calling women sluts is not "masculine." It's low.

[alwayshere]

Most love the benefit of the difference. Some women love making the argument that men are bigger and stronger to support their victim role

 

Completely offensive and untrue. I think you are the one who doesn't like women and not the other way around.

 

I am not a victim and dont need a protector or provider. But I don't want a whiner who denegrates my gender either.

 

Intelligent men and women don't paint the opposite gender with the same broad and bitter brush.

[joystickd]

Men calling women sluts is not "masculine." It's low.

Hey it might me but some men are not going to have a relationship with community pussy.

[joystickd]

Completely offensive and untrue. I think you are the one who doesn't like women and not the other way around.

 

I am not a victim and dont need a protector or provider. But I don't want a whiner who denegrates my gender either.

 

Intelligent men and women don't paint the opposite gender with the same broad and bitter brush.

I voiced that to be an *********. I generally am on here. It's more to challenge a certain group of women on here. The thing is there are a lot of things women do that men could take and use as women taking the victim role. On some level there is some truth even if you and I genuinely disagree with it.

[alwayshere]

Hey it might me but some men are not going to have a relationship with community pussy.

 

I assume then that you are fine with women not wanting community penis.

 

Again, why do men who dont even seem to LIKE women want to date one?

[Anela]

I voiced that to be an *********. I generally am on here. It's more to challenge a certain group of women on here. The thing is there are a lot of things women do that men could take and use as women taking the victim role. On some level there is some truth even if you and I genuinely disagree with it.

 

I don't want to talk to someone is only determined to be an arsehole, to a certain group of women; you have no interest in finding common ground on anything, which I think makes you the problem.

[joystickd]

Where in the holy heck do you get this? You think traditional women think men who call women sluts are masculine? Think again.

Hell women call women sluts more than men ever would. Slut is to their benefit. In dating women are more competitive than men.

[GoreSP]

Hey it might me but some men are not going to have a relationship with community pussy.

 

Still not a reason to be disrespectful towards someone because what you assume their sexuality is doesn't fit what you think it should be...

[Anela]

I think a person like that would be fine with that. As for the question you would have to ask a man that doesn't seem to like women. Hell I could pose the same question for a few of the women on LS.

 

But, as a part of that "certain group," I like men. I don't have to like every single one of them - there are a few men that I would be happy to never be around, or speak to, for as long as I live. A little thing called boundaries.

[Bruce Leigh]

Had to grow into the role of pursuing, now I quite like it.

 

That's the goal.

If you look forward to doing something, exercise, eating healthy, approaching people etc you will start to like it. And see the benefits.

You may clip some hurdles along the way, fall flat on your face but dust yourself off and aim to clear the next one that may come along.

[joystickd]

That's the goal.

If you look forward to doing something, exercise, eating healthy, approaching people etc you will start to like it. And see the benefits.

You may clip some hurdles along the way, fall flat on your face but dust yourself off and aim to clear the next one that may come along.

After approaching enough times you will approach and it's like you can almost predict where an interaction is going so you decide whether to put more time in or charge it to the game.

[ThaWholigan]

I agree it depends on the context. I honestly prefer not to use it. Hell the first women I slept with was known as the Wal-Mart whore

Honestly, all that sh*t is politics that I don't really need to participate in. I saw my old FWB not too long ago (she's got a steady BF now) and she thanked me for not looking down on her like some others had and that I treated her well. She's a tough little woman so to hear her say that, I was quite touched, and further reinforced my own openness.

 

So all these little rules and traditions don't really mean sh*t to me if they don't resonate with me on a core essential level. That's why I could be with a woman with a "high count" with no problem or jealousy. It also means that I have problem doing the approaching or allowing myself to be approached .

 

I show people (of either gender) respect accordingly, regardless of how many people don't.

[joystickd]

And what, in your estimation, is "fully challenging the status quo"? I do not deserve equal pay for equal work if I don't make the first move on some guy in a bar?

For the sake of the argument I posed I will say yes.

[alwayshere]

For the sake of the argument I posed I will say yes.

 

Interesting. So, if I don't become the aggressor in all of my relationships, then I should then not vote, not be an attorney or a sergeant, and not get paid the same as a man for the equal quantity/quality of work. If I don't do the asking, then I am property, I do not have a voice, and something like rape probably doesn't exist. I only am entitled to the same human rights as a man if I will ask men out on a date.

 

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe you ARE a misogynist.

[iiiii]

For the sake of the argument I posed I will say yes.

 

Then, reading between the lines, any guy who doesn't ask women out (perhaps because he doesn't want to date, he's too shy, or maybe he simply doesn't need to because women always approach him first) also doesn't deserve equal pay for equal work?

 

Seems rather silly to tie an individual's sexual choices to their pay grade... it would be a strange world where employers financially rewarded their employees for being sexually aggressive.

 

My understanding of feminism is that women and men should get equal choices, equal rights, and equal responsibilities. No woman, and no man, has a responsibility or an obligation to approach strangers in a bar. They both have the choice to do so if they would like. Voila: equality.

 

Most rational women I know feel the same way.

[joystickd]

 

My understanding of feminism is that women and men should get equal choices, equal rights, and equal responsibilities. No woman, and no man, has a responsibility or an obligation to approach strangers in a bar. They both have the choice to do so if they would like. Voila: equality.

 

Most rational women I know feel the same way.

The thing is you have a lot of societal norms one being the man approaches. Women refuse because it's the man's obligation to approach if he is interested. If feminism is about choices( still playing devil's advocate here) then why before choices except in this case. Majority of women act like it's an obligation. It's not an equal choice.