King Bowls Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 My granddad and dad guide bear hunts in Alaska every year. Every other year, a hunting guide up there named Gordon (won't say last name) guides bear hunts too. One year, probably 10-15 years ago, Gordon's client shot a black bear that weighed between 300-400 lbs. they were on the shore line in Alaska. Gordon picked up the bear, carried it all the up a rocky, somewhat steep hill, all by himself. On another occasion, he broke someone's femur in a fight. Impressive or not? Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I dunno, I'm a bit sceptical. It's pretty hard to carry a heavy carcass like that, not only because of its weight but also because of its size. Link to post Share on other sites
Shepp Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Broke someone's femur in a fight...not very impressive - that's less a feat of strength and more about a result of angles and gravity. A bad sliding challenge on a football pitch and you can snap someone's femur easily, i've seen it done. Taken as gospel the bear thing is impressive, endurance yes, strength i guess, but id be inclined to be more impressed by a show of adrenaline at its best. I lifted a 6/7 month old calf once, me and a mate cause it was stuck and life strangling itself, could we go out now and lift another calf of that age and weight - probably not, adrenaline kicks in and you can unlock a greater performance. The impressive thing if you can learn to tap into that adrenaline on demand to boost ability. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Rather than look at all of this lofty pie in the sky stuff give yourself a realistic goal.... Bench twice your bodyweight.. Start there.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Imported Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I dunno OP, sounds too superhuman for me. Unless Gordon did it piece by piece. Bench twice your bodyweight.. Never been a fan of bench pressing. What I found more useful was pull-ups. OP, challenge yourself to being easily able to do 20 pull-ups + the weight of your girl on a you. Who knows when you'll have to scale a mountain with your girlfriend strapped to your back? And that is why I like skinny women. Better yet, fit women that can scale it as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I dunno, I'm a bit sceptical. It's pretty hard to carry a heavy carcass like that, not only because of its weight but also because of its size. It sounds like a huge bear but really 300-400 lbs isn't mighty big for a black bear. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Broke someone's femur in a fight...not very impressive - that's less a feat of strength and more about a result of angles and gravity. A bad sliding challenge on a football pitch and you can snap someone's femur easily, i've seen it done. Taken as gospel the bear thing is impressive, endurance yes, strength i guess, but id be inclined to be more impressed by a show of adrenaline at its best. I lifted a 6/7 month old calf once, me and a mate cause it was stuck and life strangling itself, could we go out now and lift another calf of that age and weight - probably not, adrenaline kicks in and you can unlock a greater performance. The impressive thing if you can learn to tap into that adrenaline on demand to boost ability. No adrenaline rush involved. They were on the shore line and had to get it up the hill, to get it in the truck then get it back to camp to skin it. He got his hands under it, rolled it into his arms, and carried that sucker all the way up 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Rather than look at all of this lofty pie in the sky stuff give yourself a realistic goal.... Bench twice your bodyweight.. Start there.. TFY I'm almost there. My goal is to dbell press 130's on the incline Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I dunno OP, sounds too superhuman for me. Unless Gordon did it piece by piece. Never been a fan of bench pressing. What I found more useful was pull-ups. OP, challenge yourself to being easily able to do 20 pull-ups + the weight of your girl on a you. Who knows when you'll have to scale a mountain with your girlfriend strapped to your back? And that is why I like skinny women. Better yet, fit women that can scale it as well. I can do pull-ups with so many different ways of gripping the bar and hand placement, and can move on the bars like a gymnast at 192 lbs bodyweight. Good point though, I may have to do that one day. I think 120 lbs of extra weight would be plenty lol And as stated in previous post, the bear isn't super big. He was able to get his arms under it. Link to post Share on other sites
RonaldS Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 More than a feat of strength, it seems like a total lack of preparation. Or did they just not know that when you shoot a bear, it's not going to walk up the hill on a leash? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 More than a feat of strength, it seems like a total lack of preparation. Or did they just not know that when you shoot a bear, it's not going to walk up the hill on a leash? It had to go up the hill. There is no "preparation" for it. When you go looking for a bear, you don't know where you'll find it/shoot it. Yes you're prepared by knowing what to do after, but other than that Link to post Share on other sites
RonaldS Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 It had to go up the hill. There is no "preparation" for it. When you go looking for a bear, you don't know where you'll find it/shoot it. Yes you're prepared by knowing what to do after, but other than that Is that why most hunters who go after big game like bear and elk in hilly terrain use ATVs or horses and have sleds for the kill? Because there's no preparation? Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I dunno OP, sounds too superhuman for me. Unless Gordon did it piece by piece. Never been a fan of bench pressing. What I found more useful was pull-ups. OP, challenge yourself to being easily able to do 20 pull-ups + the weight of your girl on a you. Who knows when you'll have to scale a mountain with your girlfriend strapped to your back? And that is why I like skinny women. Better yet, fit women that can scale it as well. I dont regularly do pull ups, but even at more than 210 lbs, im sure I can do 20 cleanly... Better yet... Squat 3 times bodyweight with only a belt and some knee wraps......no suit... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
PogoStick Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If you think that is amazing, then you should have seen Wild Bill McGregor. He was trapped in the Yukon by a flash flood. To escape, he snapped a 12 inch tree trunk with his bare hands, then threw it astraddle the river so he could cross to safety. Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Is that why most hunters who go after big game like bear and elk in hilly terrain use ATVs or horses and have sleds for the kill? Because there's no preparation? There was an atv or a truck, I don't know for sure. But they had to walk to find the bear. Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 I dont regularly do pull ups, but even at more than 210 lbs, im sure I can do 20 cleanly... Better yet... Squat 3 times bodyweight with only a belt and some knee wraps......no suit... TFY I need to be coached on squats for doing any more. Lots of bad back pain that is not normal. Pain I didnt have through my first year of doing squats. So that will take some time. As it is though, I only use a belt, nothing else for squats. For my upper body lifts, I use zero assistance. No chalk, and I have never touched a lifting strap in my life, and never will. Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 If you think that is amazing, then you should have seen Wild Bill McGregor. He was trapped in the Yukon by a flash flood. To escape, he snapped a 12 inch tree trunk with his bare hands, then threw it astraddle the river so he could cross to safety. How does one do this? What are some "Sasquatch" feats of strength you can think of that I can add to my goals list? (If realistic) Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Are you sure the weight of the bear really was 3-400 lbs and not 2-300 lbs ?.. the reason I ask is that you didn't give the exact weight but a bracket so it sounds like the weight was a guesstimate. Link to post Share on other sites
SammySammy Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 If this had been a fishing trip, this sounds like what we would call a "fish tale". I guess we can call this a "bear tale". Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Are you sure the weight of the bear really was 3-400 lbs and not 2-300 lbs ?.. the reason I ask is that you didn't give the exact weight but a bracket so it sounds like the weight was a guesstimate. My granddad told me about this a while back and I don't quite remember what the number was, I think it was 361 but ill ask him to make sure. That is why I said between 300-400 lbs. This isn't the only thing that's heavy he's lifting. He's done barrel lifting (some that weigh 275 and over) and loaded a 336 lb atlas stone (that is the exact weight) fairly quickly. He's the most powerful man I know. He can't bench press 500 lbs, or squat 700, but does things outside the weight room that are simply amazing Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 If this had been a fishing trip, this sounds like what we would call a "fish tale". I guess we can call this a "bear tale". Just because you find it hard to believe doesn't make it untrue. Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Gordon is a liar. As an RN I know what it's like to move a 300 to 400 pound body. 3 strong orderlies....and that's just across the room. A dead weight body is not like moving a piece of compact steel at the gym of the same weight. There are strongmen who lift sacks of sand and awkward objects that are easily 300-400 lbs. Some have even lifted huge, awkward shaped rocks that weigh 500+. It's well documented and known, especially in the strength sport world. Just because you haven't seen anyone strong enough to do it doesn't mean it's a lie or impossible. Plus Gordon isn't the only one who said he did it, there were 3 witnesses. There are men in this world strong beyond belief. Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Ya, right. Still baloney. We have very strong orderlies...takes 3 to lift an inert body weighing that much...and that's not uphill in the outdoors. Did you just not read what I wrote? There are men stronger beyond your wildest imagination. What you see as "strong" is nothing in the world of strength sports. Brian Shaw, a Worlds Strongest Man winner, is working on loading a 600 lb atlas stone. Which is a completely round ball that is very hard and awkward to lift. It would take 6 of your "strong" orderlies to lift that. Link to post Share on other sites
dichotomy Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I need to be coached on squats for doing any more. Lots of bad back pain that is not normal. Pain I didnt have through my first year of doing squats. So that will take some time. As it is though, I only use a belt, nothing else for squats. For my upper body lifts, I use zero assistance. No chalk, and I have never touched a lifting strap in my life, and never will. Ok lets talk this issue (more practical then dead bears ) You have back pain with squats? Have you tried substituting trap bar deads (particularly deficit trap deads) as a way to limit injury? I had major issues with my back on squats and traditional deads - until I got my trap bar.... Link to post Share on other sites
Author King Bowls Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 Ok lets talk this issue (more practical then dead bears ) You have back pain with squats? Have you tried substituting trap bar deads (particularly deficit trap deads) as a way to limit injury? I had major issues with my back on squats and traditional deads - until I got my trap bar.... When I go to weights of 275, which is not a heavy squat, my upper back feels crunched. 275 feels like 500. My senior year in HS, 3 years ago, I could do 275 for 10 easy. Now it's hard to do it once and I'm about to force myself to do reps with it and beyond because I'm sick of being stuck at that number Link to post Share on other sites
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