todreaminblue Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) I swear, your post must be written in code or cultic symbolism. I'm still reeling back from it. he is saying even though he knows and would love to find out everything too .......we wont......the mysteries are exciting and grand and liek i love lucy gotta love them answers..liek the spencer tracey movie......about deciphering when day becomes night analogy theres answers there but who truly knows.......... having god around to share them all with us .....would be a waste of his time he would just stick around he has better things to do than explain his brilliance and meticulous intracacies.,........smilin...that seen as a space cadet though...space cadets can often get it wrong...to me, his post it came back to plain old carbon......which is the answer given to date and for now and in the first place...very very old beliefs upheld because they are and shall be........acceptance of what you already know.....which is ....carbon...black and white and clear......rather smile induciing yes..my interpretation of a pretty clever post.....notice how my interpretation fits what i believe in as all words written can be skewed like opinions and held beliefs.................deb Edited June 3, 2014 by todreaminblue Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 I've seen his argument before. There is lots we can't know BUT we can know more than most people realize. Why do people strive to learn about evolution and science, but the SECOND it starts lining up with Scripture, people say, "Eh who knows? We'll never know!" Link to post Share on other sites
littleplanet Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 the trick........ is to apply a pinch of archeology a dash of anthropology and a sprinkle of theology (not too much, now.) It helps to know just what Lucy was. (Who she was......is a miracle for the ages.) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 the trick........ is to apply a pinch of archeology a dash of anthropology and a sprinkle of theology (not too much, now.) It helps to know just what Lucy was. (Who she was......is a miracle for the ages.) Yes, yes, yes, but the key to studying prostrate antiquity is to not rely too heavily on transformationism. Otherwise you might go down the long...long...windy road of introspection. It's just a tad, tad bit ambivalent. Ah. Yes? What say ye, Melchior? Link to post Share on other sites
littleplanet Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Ah......... Lucy is real enough, chum. (And can't I introspect just a wee bit about the marvels of creation - while dabbling in the wonders of the miracles held in the hand?) For after all - the metaphysical is still comprised of at least one of its most important elements: the physical. What we cannot know and must accept on faith - flies in the face of absolutist scientific doctrine - true enough. Lucy was after all.....a missing link, stumbled across in the African Rift Valley.....and whatever they were able to measure in most scientific ways, they of course, could have absolutely no record of the expression of her soul. Does that mean it wasn't there? (She was there, sure enough!) But hey: just as those two fingertips almost touching on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel, I prefer to imagine the hand of most scientific man reaching out to touch....................something a little beyond the realm of science? Because there are so many, many things that science will never measure, no matter how smart we get. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 Ah......... Lucy is real enough, chum. (And can't I introspect just a wee bit about the marvels of creation - while dabbling in the wonders of the miracles held in the hand?) For after all - the metaphysical is still comprised of at least one of its most important elements: the physical. What we cannot know and must accept on faith - flies in the face of absolutist scientific doctrine - true enough. Lucy was after all.....a missing link, stumbled across in the African Rift Valley.....and whatever they were able to measure in most scientific ways, they of course, could have absolutely no record of the expression of her soul. Does that mean it wasn't there? (She was there, sure enough!) But hey: just as those two fingertips almost touching on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel, I prefer to imagine the hand of most scientific man reaching out to touch....................something a little beyond the realm of science? Because there are so many, many things that science will never measure, no matter how smart we get. Spare me with the word "chum". You think I don't know all about Lucy? The very point of my post is that humanoids were around a LONG time, potentially hundreds of thousands of years or more, before Adam and Eve. As for their claim that Lucy is "millions" of years old, that is potentially possible, but are you aware that the accuracy of carbon dating is drastically reduced when estimating time periods 7,000+ years in the past? BTW, what is your education level? Also, what is your approximate amount of hours spent studying this topic? Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 You think I don't know all about Lucy? I don't agree with a lot of AiG positions, but always got a kick out of this... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
littleplanet Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Spare me with the word "chum". You think I don't know all about Lucy? The very point of my post is that humanoids were around a LONG time, potentially hundreds of thousands of years or more, before Adam and Eve. As for their claim that Lucy is "millions" of years old, that is potentially possible, but are you aware that the accuracy of carbon dating is drastically reduced when estimating time periods 7,000+ years in the past? BTW, what is your education level? Also, what is your approximate amount of hours spent studying this topic? Borderline PHD. I will now remove the silk hankie from this toxicity before tempted to take out the Samurai sword, instead. What I spent a lifetime studying is the history of humanity. Neither theology nor pure science ever defines the entire picture I look at. But enough. Over and out. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 Borderline PHD. I will now remove the silk hankie from this toxicity before tempted to take out the Samurai sword, instead. What I spent a lifetime studying is the history of humanity. Neither theology nor pure science ever defines the entire picture I look at. But enough. Over and out. Lol, you are a riot. Hang around here long enough and I just might start to like you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
littleplanet Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Lol, you are a riot. Hang around here long enough and I just might start to like you. You gave me my smile of the day, M3OUSA - and I thank you for it. (likes should always be earned with honest sweat - cerebral and otherwise) cheers, LP Link to post Share on other sites
Madman81 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I am not going to try and argue with a person who takes the bible literally, instead I am going to ask you a question... If I told you god came to me in my sleep and told me I should kill my oldest son, what would you say? I notice nobody answered this. This is basically what happened to Abraham with regard to his son Isaac. Nowadays, the Roman Catholic Church calls Abraham "our father in Faith" in the Eucharistic prayer of the Roman Canon. He is also commemorated in the calendars of saints of several denominations. Abraham and Sarah are invoked in the prayers said by the priest over a newly married couple. Meanwhile, if somebody today killed or tried to kill their own child because "God told me to", nobody would revere them. Why not? If the existence of God, and the idea of God speaking to people, can't be proven, and if it's acceptable to people of faith that they can't be proven, then why would people of faith question a person who killed or tried to kill their own child today on the basis of "divine instruction"? After all, how can anybody know what another person has or has not been told by God? And yet, pretty much everybody would see that person as either a liar or a schizoaffective or something similar. "I am the Metatron. A seraphim. The highest choir of angels. Any documented occasion where some yahoo claims God has spoken to them, they're speaking to me. Or, they're talking to themselves." -- Alan Rickman, "Dogma" (1999) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) I notice nobody answered this. This is basically what happened to Abraham with regard to his son Isaac. Nowadays, the Roman Catholic Church calls Abraham "our father in Faith" in the Eucharistic prayer of the Roman Canon. He is also commemorated in the calendars of saints of several denominations. Abraham and Sarah are invoked in the prayers said by the priest over a newly married couple. Meanwhile, if somebody today killed or tried to kill their own child because "God told me to", nobody would revere them. Why not? If the existence of God, and the idea of God speaking to people, can't be proven, and if it's acceptable to people of faith that they can't be proven, then why would people of faith question a person who killed or tried to kill their own child today on the basis of "divine instruction"? After all, how can anybody know what another person has or has not been told by God? And yet, pretty much everybody would see that person as either a liar or a schizoaffective or something similar. "I am the Metatron. A seraphim. The highest choir of angels. Any documented occasion where some yahoo claims God has spoken to them, they're speaking to me. Or, they're talking to themselves." -- Alan Rickman, "Dogma" (1999) Don't expect a legitimate answer from most Christians or churches on this subject. The truth is that God can be downright scary and untamed. Yet, unlike a villain, he is good and holy. These two concepts are not a contradiction. Edited June 6, 2014 by M30USA 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Madman81, Almost every ancient pagan practice had some element of truth to it--even animal or human sacrifice. The difference between paganism and the truth is that paganism sacrificed their own children while God sacrificed his own son. In other words, someone was going to die. The ancients KNEW this. I personally believe it was a corrupted teaching given to us by the fallen angels. The angels were privy to the workings of heaven and the mind of God and they brought down this information to us--but in a distorted form. Pagans attempted to please "the gods" by offering their own human sacrifices. But the Bible tells us that we must satisfy God's requirements on his terms, not ours. The sacrifice had to be perfect. No human was perfect. This is where Christ comes in. He was the lamb without blemish. God had no intention of making Abraham go through with sacrificing his son, Isaac, but he still tested Abraham. It's almost like God said, "I'm going to do this with my own son, Abraham, but I want to see if you would at least be willing to give up your only son as I soon will." Abraham passed the test and God stopped the test once it was clear that Abraham was for real. Many people think this is "sick". I have known people who don't believe in God or the Bible for this reason alone. I am not kidding. But I think it's important to remember a few things: 1) God ultimately stopped Abraham. 2) In all fairness it WAS perhaps the most extreme test in the Bible. But the reward was also extreme. God told Abraham that because he didnt even withold his own son, his offspring would be blessed and he would be the father of God's nation. Wow. This almost parallels how Jesus said we must lose our lives to save it. Edited June 7, 2014 by M30USA Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 getting back to your original post about humanoids preceding Adam and Eve. my take? If we believe the Bible tells the journey of fatith – using all kinds of geological and historical and other "real" references to help frame it so we can trace that journey – then Adam and Eve would be the first ones with souls, because that is where the journey begins in Genesis, with this couple. it would help fill in the "backstory" with other lives who married and mated and mingled with Adam and Eve, then their progeny ... but because we're tracing a history of faith, we only focus on certain characters or people in Scripture. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 getting back to your original post about humanoids preceding Adam and Eve. my take? If we believe the Bible tells the journey of fatith – using all kinds of geological and historical and other "real" references to help frame it so we can trace that journey – then Adam and Eve would be the first ones with souls, because that is where the journey begins in Genesis, with this couple. it would help fill in the "backstory" with other lives who married and mated and mingled with Adam and Eve, then their progeny ... but because we're tracing a history of faith, we only focus on certain characters or people in Scripture. If, by souls, you mean human souls, then I agree with you. Do the angels have souls? I'm not sure. All I know is the Bible makes it clear that there is no salvation and redemption for angels who fall. Be thankful that you are human and that Jesus died for us, not the angels. Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 You gave me my smile of the day, M3OUSA - and I thank you for it. (likes should always be earned with honest sweat - cerebral and otherwise) cheers, LP Don't you go anywhere little planet, I enjoy your posts immensely, they are a bit like chocolate brownies for me without the calories I love to dissect brownies before digesting them and then trying to eke out a moral justification with my own intelligence for eating them in the first place.Please feed me words.. Share the wealth of twisty fudge like intelligence and more laughs please, don't hog them all for your own amusement.God says share....;0), because i truly enjoy your posts.They don't put weight on either .Bonus... much respect and huge smile attached from deborah. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
littleplanet Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Don't you go anywhere little planet, I enjoy your posts immensely, they are a bit like chocolate brownies for me without the calories I love to dissect brownies before digesting them and then trying to eke out a moral justification with my own intelligence for eating them in the first place.Please feed me words.. Share the wealth of twisty fudge like intelligence and more laughs please, don't hog them all for your own amusement.God says share....;0), because i truly enjoy your posts.They don't put weight on either .Bonus... much respect and huge smile attached from deborah. Much obliged, blue - This goes down well with the morning coffee. (I have been known at times in life as a 'diet' aid) The first time angels spoke to me I was a mere infant - and the guardians have been doing good work ever since. But whatever a small bit of spirit does in His name, I suspect the lord has better laughs than mere mortals. For all that we languish in Cosmic Disneylands - that fudge tastes none less sweet. From one poet to another: blessed are these, the wisdom of children, the songs of hearts, the colors of souls. A piece on earth chews wisely! LP 1 Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Much obliged, blue - This goes down well with the morning coffee. (I have been known at times in life as a 'diet' aid) The first time angels spoke to me I was a mere infant - and the guardians have been doing good work ever since. But whatever a small bit of spirit does in His name, I suspect the lord has better laughs than mere mortals. For all that we languish in Cosmic Disneylands - that fudge tastes none less sweet. From one poet to another: blessed are these, the wisdom of children, the songs of hearts, the colors of souls. A piece on earth chews wisely! LP ahh what a treat those last lines. As i drink my barley warmish drink, this bohemian poetess toasts you poet laureate, heading to church soon to have many slices of fudge.Blessed be your day....deborah 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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