somedude81 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Okay. Well, good luck with those short-sleeved dress shirts. http://rathandco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/milton1-540x422.jpg I'd be more comfortable in something like this. But even then, I just prefer to wear t-shirts. Link to post Share on other sites
Smilecharmer Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Like this: http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/David-Beckham-Mosley-Tribes-Lyndel-Sunglasses-Abercombie-Fitch-Algonquin-Cargo-Shorts.jpg Easy heart, exactly right look for most men. I think any guy with any build could pull this off. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Heck, here's a picture of me in a look I haven't worn outside yet. Honestly I'm not sure about it. (Let me know if the link doesn't work.) Edited June 24, 2014 by somedude81 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mr Scorpio Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Easy heart, exactly right look for most men. I think any guy with any build could pull this off. And those of us who don't have any build? Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Like this: http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/David-Beckham-Mosley-Tribes-Lyndel-Sunglasses-Abercombie-Fitch-Algonquin-Cargo-Shorts.jpg Looks good. I still think he'd look even nicer pairing that with long pants... but I'm not complaining. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'd be more comfortable in something like this. But even then, I just prefer to wear t-shirts. Not a fan of the pattern, color, and cut of that one. T-shirt better IMO. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Heck, here's a picture of me in a look I haven't worn outside yet. Honestly I'm not sure about it. (Let me know if the link doesn't work.) Ummm... You know, one of the first things us short girls learn when we dress ourselves, is that too-big and too-long stuff dwarfs us. So... I'd apply that same principle to short guys, too. The shirt seems a bit too long for you. Paired with the low-hanging shorts, and it seems a bit... off-balance? So, welcome to the world of short-girl woes. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Smilecharmer Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 And those of us who don't have any build? Mr Scorpio, I'm sorry, I meant any body type. The shirt can be any button up with cargo shorts...love the simple white and brown or maybe a Navy blue cargo short too together. Also, even if you are over thirty or forty, it still is classic enough for any man. Oh, just add black socks if you are in your seventies please. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Smilecharmer Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Heck, here's a picture of me in a look I haven't worn outside yet. Honestly I'm not sure about it. (Let me know if the link doesn't work.) Hi SD, I like the blue shorts but maybe the shirt is too big for you? It looks huge on you. I'm not a fan of busy patterns...simple solids or two toned only. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Smilecharmer Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Okay. Well, good luck with those short-sleeved dress shirts. http://rathandco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/milton1-540x422.jpg This guy was so funny on News Radio. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Ummm... You know, one of the first things us short girls learn when we dress ourselves, is that too-big and too-long stuff dwarfs us. So... I'd apply that same principle to short guys, too. The shirt seems a bit too long for you. Paired with the low-hanging shorts, and it seems a bit... off-balance? So, welcome to the world of short-girl woes. Hi SD, I like the blue shorts but maybe the shirt is too big for you? It looks huge on you. I'm not a fan of busy patterns...simple solids or two toned only. I was afraid of that. I'm in a bit of a dilemma where medium shirts, such as that one, are too big for me, and small shirts are really tight. I got it on clearance so it's not that big of a loss. Aside from the shirt being too big, was the look OK with it going with the shorts and shoes? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I was afraid of that. I'm in a bit of a dilemma where medium shirts, such as that one, are too big for me, and small shirts are really tight. I got it on clearance so it's not that big of a loss. Aside from the shirt being too big, was the look OK with it going with the shorts and shoes? Yeah, you have to try a few brands, as the sizing varies by brand. There are some brands that my SO avoids for this reason (too long). I suppose it is a bit easier for him as he is very lean, so the small sizes work for him. Aside from that, the look is fine IMO. I'm not generally a fan of those shoes on guys, but I suppose it does go with the beachy look. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Smilecharmer Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hi SD, Elswyth is right. Try stuff on with something you might wear it with. I liked the shorts. I couldn't see the shoes really well so I can't comment. I like different footwear on guys, so I like stuff that is unusual. My husband wears boat shoes too and I like them. What is your eye and hair color? Coloring is very important to me when picking clothes as well as Flt. Same to you, mr. Scorpio? Hair and eye color? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 So that was you in the Cherry Docs? I was in a hurry........Bank is awfully busy at that time. Yeah that was me...great place for people watching.... You always get one or two dodgy sights up there though.. ....like men in suits and trainers and women in pretty skirts and cherry docs....'ahem' 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Heck, here's a picture of me in a look I haven't worn outside yet. Honestly I'm not sure about it. (Let me know if the link doesn't work.) I've read the posts since this and saw the pic of the model guy that you posted earlier in the same kind of look too. See how he has his hands in his pockets and it pulls the hem of the shirt up? They did that for the pic as the shirt he is wearing is too long on him as well. It's a common thing with shirts. Many guys have this issue. That shirt you got is not a loss (but don't walk around with your hands in your pockets all the time as that would make like kinda difficult! ). Three things you can do with the shirt you have: Find a local dry cleaner who does alterations - they are cheaper than going to an actual tailor generally. I have a regular place I go to and I asked if they have a loyalty card - I got a 10% discount card. They turn up loads of things for me (even my curtains!). You could take that shirt up to the middle of the square above the lowest blue stripe at the side (providing the shorts are very low cut and you won't show skin at the side). I fold clothes up and underneath then fix them with just a few safety pins so I get the right length then I take them to the dry cleaners and they always come out perfect for me. It costs me around £8 per item. You might not want to spend that on this shirt as you possibly paid less for it but it's something to bear in mind for when you find a shirt you really like. The simplest thing you can do with this shirt is wear it open with a white or blue t-shirt underneath. With the t-shirt being shorter than the shirt this will break it up so the shirt length - much like they did in the model photo by having the guy put his hands in his pockets. You can also try not doing up the last few buttons at the base of the shirt - the material can then sit as it wants and often it can break up that hem and sit better. As a rule though when buying a shirt it should reach down to around the middle to bottom of your bottom (butt) - any longer and it's too long. (From looking I think this shirt reaches your upper thigh). These are not easy to find though - as I said loads of men have the same problem - some of us (women too) are shorter in the body and longer in the legs so anyone of any height can have this same problem with shirts. If you find a t-shirt you like but it's too long you could try my trick. I (very carefully) cut the bottom off t-shirts (t-shirt material doesn't fray. I use chalk to draw a line across (measuring each side from armpit to bottom to make sure both sides are even) and then cut with very sharp scissors one layer at a time (don't cut both layers at once as it will go wrong - I've done that and it doesn't work!) and very slowly. If any bits come out wonky I trim them up. T-shirts can curl up at the bottom once you do this though and turn out shorter than you wanted so be conservative when you cut and see how it turns out after it has been washed. I find thinner t-shirt material will curl more and tighter t-shirts will curl more also. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
EasyHeart Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Are there different types of dress shirts? The shirt in that pic doesn't look quite the same as what I've got. Different fabric maybe?YES! Most men's shirts are cotton; that one in the picture is either very thin cotton or maybe linen. (linen is expensive; don't buy it) Notice it has a texture pattern, too. Plain white shirts are hard to pull off, except for dress shirts with a suit. I posted that picture for the general look (the silhouette) of what I meant by long-sleeved shirt with shorts. (Also, bear in mind that outfit in the picture probably cost $3000. Most of us can't afford that for a suit, let alone our walking the dog clothes. But you can assemble something similar for $50.) Some long sleeved shirts are dress shirts; some are casual. You can usually tell just by looking at them. If that doesn't work, you can usually tell by what department you buy them in or how they are sized: Dress shirts are sold by neck/arm size (eg, 16/33 or 17.5/36); casual shirts are sold as S/M/L. Dress shirts are usually made with better quality cotton and a tighter weave (higher thread-count, just like sheets!) than casual shirts, which is why they usually cost more, too. The kind of shirt you wear with a suit is called a "pinpoint". It is made with high quality cotton and a tight weave that gives in a smooth, luxurious feel and a little bit of shine. Broadcloth is coarser weave and has a bit more heft and texture than a pinpoint. Broadcloth shirts are commonly called "oxfords" in the US. Broadcloths are your most flexible shirts because you can dress them up with a tie and jacket or dress them down with jeans or khakis (or even shorts!) and still look good. What we think of as true casual shirts are usually made of twill or poplin, but at that point you really don't care about the fabric, you're mostly looking at cut and color. So that's a long winded way of saying that you wouldn't wear a pinpoint shirt with shorts. You probably wouldn't wear it with much besides a suit. For me, my favorite all-around shirt is a Polo brand buttondown broadcloth oxford. I can wear it to the office, I can wear it on a date, and I can wear it to the grocery store and it always looks good. But that's my look. Different people like (and look good) in different things. At this point, I think it's best you keep things really simple. If you have a good eye and lots of experience, you can experiment and look really sharp, but most of us can't do that. That's why I suspect someone like Haydn can pull off the trainers-with-a-suit and look damn good, while you and I would get laughed at mercilessly. (Actually, only you would get laughed at because there is no f-ing way I would leave the house dressed like that). Looks good. I still think he'd look even nicer pairing that with long pants... but I'm not complaining. Yup. He could also wear a tshirt or polo shirt with those shorts and look good. One thing I look for is flexibility. I hate it when I have a pair of pants that only goes with one specific shirt. Being able to mix and match pants and shirts gives you lots of options and can make a small wardrobe look like you've got lots more stuff. (This is back to Scorpio) One trick I learned is to stick with really basic pants and then have fun with your tops. No one pays much attention to men's pants, so you can go a long way with khaki, off-white and olive casual pants (and some jeans, of course). Then you can look for shirts that will coordinate with multiple pants and voila: Lots of outfits to pick from! Think about your shoes, too. Men basically wear brown or black shoes. If all your pants look good with brown shoes, then you can get one nice pair of brown shoes and you're set. Also, figure out what colors look good on you. That's got to do with the undertones in your skin, so there's no way to tell without trying on different colors. Most of my shirts are in the blue or red family, because I look good in those colors. Green, yellow, browns, orange make me look odd. Figuring out what colors work for you will really simplify your shopping. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I've read the posts since this and saw the pic of the model guy that you posted earlier in the same kind of look too. See how he has his hands in his pockets and it pulls the hem of the shirt up? They did that for the pic as the shirt he is wearing is too long on him as well. It's a common thing with shirts. Many guys have this issue. That shirt you got is not a loss (but don't walk around with your hands in your pockets all the time as that would make like kinda difficult! ). Three things you can do with the shirt you have: Find a local dry cleaner who does alterations - they are cheaper than going to an actual tailor generally. I have a regular place I go to and I asked if they have a loyalty card - I got a 10% discount card. They turn up loads of things for me (even my curtains!). You could take that shirt up to the middle of the square above the lowest blue stripe at the side (providing the shorts are very low cut and you won't show skin at the side). I fold clothes up and underneath then fix them with just a few safety pins so I get the right length then I take them to the dry cleaners and they always come out perfect for me. It costs me around £8 per item. You might not want to spend that on this shirt as you possibly paid less for it but it's something to bear in mind for when you find a shirt you really like. The simplest thing you can do with this shirt is wear it open with a white or blue t-shirt underneath. With the t-shirt being shorter than the shirt this will break it up so the shirt length - much like they did in the model photo by having the guy put his hands in his pockets. You can also try not doing up the last few buttons at the base of the shirt - the material can then sit as it wants and often it can break up that hem and sit better. As a rule though when buying a shirt it should reach down to around the middle to bottom of your bottom (butt) - any longer and it's too long. (From looking I think this shirt reaches your upper thigh). These are not easy to find though - as I said loads of men have the same problem - some of us (women too) are shorter in the body and longer in the legs so anyone of any height can have this same problem with shirts. If you find a t-shirt you like but it's too long you could try my trick. I (very carefully) cut the bottom off t-shirts (t-shirt material doesn't fray. I use chalk to draw a line across (measuring each side from armpit to bottom to make sure both sides are even) and then cut with very sharp scissors one layer at a time (don't cut both layers at once as it will go wrong - I've done that and it doesn't work!) and very slowly. If any bits come out wonky I trim them up. T-shirts can curl up at the bottom once you do this though and turn out shorter than you wanted so be conservative when you cut and see how it turns out after it has been washed. I find thinner t-shirt material will curl more and tighter t-shirts will curl more also. Cool, thanks for the tops GemmaUK. I never knew it was possible to alter shirts. As I start to wear more expensive and better looking clothes, it seems that I may have to start doing that to make them fit. Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Leigh Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 One of the best investments you can make is to buy a pocket colour wheel. Google it, will find one easy, they are cheap. Its about 6 inches in diameter, so calling it "pocket" is a bit of a stretch. I knew the basic rules of colour coordination but there is so much more to it. The wheel does a great job of showing what you can throw together. Made shopping for clothes more fun and easier and that can only be a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 YES! At this point, I think it's best you keep things really simple. If you have a good eye and lots of experience, you can experiment and look really sharp, but most of us can't do that. That's why I suspect someone like Haydn can pull off the trainers-with-a-suit and look damn good, while you and I would get laughed at mercilessly. (Actually, only you would get laughed at because there is no f-ing way I would leave the house dressed like that). This made me giggle! Favour please Easyheart? Would you mind giving my last post a quick read? I want to make sure I'm getting the right length shirt advice for Somedude and you seem to know your shirts pretty well. Somedude You're welcome! Just check what Easyheart says about shirt lengths...I don't think my guess is far off though. If you really like a shirt and it all fits well in the shoulders arms and torso then turning up the hem is easy and cheap to get done. The turn up might interfere with the last button but the best way around that if it does happen is to leave that button undone as it would make the shirt bunch up when you sit down. When you go shopping and try a shirt fold it up underneath to see how it'd look shorter..and find out the cost of alterations so you can factor that in to the cost of the shirt too. My dry cleaners have been a saviour to me..I can't sew for toffee! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
hasaquestion Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Never underestimate what a tailor can do for you. My favorite pairs of shorts right now were originally two sets of boy's chino pants, one white and one blue. They were on the sale rack because they were boys size 20 and who the hell actually wears that. Good quality, don't wrinkle. Got them for 30 bucks total off the rack and had the tailor cut off the legs and hem the insides. If you saw them you'd think I blew $60 on each of them at J Crew. Creativity is key. Link to post Share on other sites
EasyHeart Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 One of the best investments you can make is to buy a pocket colour wheel. Google it, will find one easy, they are cheap. Its about 6 inches in diameter, so calling it "pocket" is a bit of a stretch. I knew the basic rules of colour coordination but there is so much more to it. The wheel does a great job of showing what you can throw together. Made shopping for clothes more fun and easier and that can only be a good thing. What we really need are Garanimals!!! Garanimals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 2 Link to post Share on other sites
EasyHeart Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 This made me giggle! Favour please Easyheart? Would you mind giving my last post a quick read? I want to make sure I'm getting the right length shirt advice for Somedude and you seem to know your shirts pretty well. I honestly don't know. I have the opposite problem: a long torso and stubby little legs, so I've never worried about the length of a shirt (but I *always* have to get my pants hemmed up!) The rule I'd always learned is that if a shirt has a straight hem, you wear it untucked; if it doesn't you tuck it in. That's not followed anymore nowadays; we kind of untuck everything. But a lot of casual men's shirts nowadays have a straight hem, so they are generally shorter shirts. It might make more sense to look for those kind of shirts instead of getting the shirt tailored? Or wear it open over a tshirt -- you can get away with a bigger fit that way. Link to post Share on other sites
hasaquestion Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I honestly don't know. I have the opposite problem: a long torso and stubby little legs, so I've never worried about the length of a shirt (but I *always* have to get my pants hemmed up!) The rule I'd always learned is that if a shirt has a straight hem, you wear it untucked; if it doesn't you tuck it in. That's not followed anymore nowadays; we kind of untuck everything. But a lot of casual men's shirts nowadays have a straight hem, so they are generally shorter shirts. It might make more sense to look for those kind of shirts instead of getting the shirt tailored? Or wear it open over a tshirt -- you can get away with a bigger fit that way. If I had a longer torso and shorter legs, I'd try to get shorts that cut over/above the kneecap, to keep as much leg out as possible, to add length to the bottom half. Pants would be ideal but as SD has said already he's not really in a geographic location for that. Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Leigh Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 What we really need are Garanimals!!! Garanimals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Ha ha, never heard of them until now. Great tip to anyone who wants to get some ideas is to go shopping with that really stylish friend you know. Almost everyone has THAT friend. Ask them, odds are they will enjoy the shopping trip as much as you, if not more Link to post Share on other sites
EasyHeart Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Ha ha, never heard of them until now. Garanimals made my childhood so wonderful. Great tip to anyone who wants to get some ideas is to go shopping with that really stylish friend you know. Almost everyone has THAT friend. Ask them, odds are they will enjoy the shopping trip as much as you, if not more If anyone wants to go to the Mall of America, just let me know! Link to post Share on other sites
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