Cinder_ella Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Who should should file a suit against whom? Is this a free site? Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Is this a free site? Is what a free site? What are you talking about? Link to post Share on other sites
Cinder_ella Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Is what a free site? What are you talking about? I'm responding to your question. You asked about the case of OK Cupid hiring people to pretend to be available and seeking dates which is false advertising at it's worst. If OK Cupid is charging money for those seeking relationships to use their site then the owners who receive funds can be sued for obvious reasons. If the dating site is free then no, the owners cannot be sued. Or maybe they can, you never know. Edited August 11, 2014 by Cinder_ella Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Really so people who have no luck OLDing are now losers? Some would say people who meet OLDing are losers but I don't really think that's fair either. No, not at all. I'm referring to the people who are complaining in to the point of having to create perceived injustices. OLD is fine if used in it's intended sense, and if one if aware of the pitfalls - scammers and such. You find them, and you move on. Plenty more profiles to peruse. As with any other product, it's buyer beware. It's hardly a magic answer to finding love, but an option. One could meet someone IRL who is not what they claim to be. See the thread about the girl who was deceived for four years about her SO's age. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm responding to your question. You asked about the case of OK Cupid hiring people to pretend to be available and seeking dates which is false advertising at it's worst. If OK Cupid is charging money for those seeking relationships to use their site then the owners who receive funds can be sued for obvious reasons. If the dating site is free then no, the owners cannot be sued. Or maybe they can, you never know. OK Cupid isn't hiring anybody. Yeah the title of the thread is screwed up, but did you actually read the article? I don't know where you read that OK Cupid was hiring people to pretend to be available. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Cinder_ella Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 OK Cupid isn't hiring anybody. Yeah the title of the thread is screwed up, but did you actually read the article? I don't know where you read that OK Cupid was hiring people to pretend to be available. Nope. I didn't read the article. Just the title of the thread. Link to post Share on other sites
HappyLove Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 OK Cupid isn't hiring anybody. Yeah the title of the thread is screwed up, but did you actually read the article? I don't know where you read that OK Cupid was hiring people to pretend to be available. I refuse to believe OKC isn't signing off on this! Why would they allow it? According to the article it's OKC & Tinder. Sites are very strict about how their data is used. Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I refuse to believe OKC isn't signing off on this! Why would they allow it? According to the article it's OKC & Tinder. Sites are very strict about how their data is used. And do you really believe these sites have any control over how members proceed to use their site? Oh, here's a rule, don't have anyone help you write your profile. Really? Millions and millions of people? They can police that? They don't keep out the obvious Nigerian scammers, how are they going to detect profiles which were paid for and written by someone other than the member? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 And do you really believe these sites have any control over how members proceed to use their site? Oh, here's a rule, don't have anyone help you write your profile. Really? Millions and millions of people? They can police that? They don't keep out the obvious Nigerian scammers, how are they going to detect profiles which were paid for and written by someone other than the member? Exactly. There is no way for any dating site to enforce this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
HappyLove Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) If it's soooo easy how come it's only being done for OKC & Tinder. I'd think OKC KNOWING that this site is planning on doing this to its members would put a stop to the company doing so. This isn't random people writing profiles for their friends! It's a company paying people to pretend they are someone else and sending women clueless as to what's going on messages pretending to be interested in them. Edited August 12, 2014 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Redacted references to LoveShack Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) If it's soooo easy how come it's only being done for OKC & Tinder. I'd think OKC KNOWING that this site is planning on doing this to its members would put a stop to the company doing so. This isn't random people writing profiles for their friends! It's a company paying people to pretend they are someone else and sending women clueless as to what's going on messages pretending to be interested in them. There is no 'company paying' anyone to do anything. Individuals are hiring writers through the company. My guess is there isn't 'pretending', but rather helping the clueless by writing profiles and sending out messages. If it gets a member a date, mission accomplished. And why would you think it's limited to OKC and Tinder? As I said, buyer beware. Or more aptly, what do you expect for free? Edited August 12, 2014 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I haven't read the whole thread but having 'fake writers' on paid sites is rife...it has been going on for years! We've had countless tv shows about it for years! Surely folk know this? Link to post Share on other sites
Author irc333 Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yahoo had already been sued for something similar. USATODAY.com - Online daters sue Match.com, Yahoo for fraud Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yahoo had already been sued for something similar. USATODAY.com - Online daters sue Match.com, Yahoo for fraud Have you not even read the article you posted as the topic of this thread? If anyone is 'guilty', it's the members of the site who are paying someone to write their profiles and correspondence. Do you have a problem with professional resume writers too? Link to post Share on other sites
William Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 If the title needs further clarification or editing, it's easy to alert on the starting post and request an edit from moderation. First edit performed. Thanks! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GravityMan Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 - This is nothing new. These kinds of services have existed for years. - While I can see how some may find this practice to be deceptive, I don't see any grounds here for a lawsuit. - Such services obviously aren't for everyone (myself included). Duh. If you don't like companies like this, then don't use them. That seems like a healthier decision than ignorantly whining about them. - If you're going to use a professional writing service like this, then be aware that eventually you'll get to the face-to-face meet with your date. If you come across very differently in person than how your profile and messages read, he/she may pick up on that. But then again, some people are quite different (intentionally or unintentionally) between online and IRL when they compose their profiles themselves. Some people are just much more natural and comfortable in one environment vs. another. - A good writing service would take your personality, character, interests, what you're looking for in a partner, what you bring to a relationship, etc...into account. The profile and correspondence the company writes would ideally present yourself in a very good light (without being too good), while still being "you". - I suspect that it's not all that uncommon for people to write, proofread/edit, make suggestions/tweaks, etc. profiles for their friends. Some people are just better at writing. What this company is doing isn't all that different. This also is similar to those resumé writing services out there for job-seekers. There are often lots of ways to express something, and simply making a few minor cuts and word changes here and there can make a big difference. There are things I don't like about online dating. But this story here...IMO it's much ado about nothing. Who cares. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Thank you, GravityMan! Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 As I said, it's not the profile writing or the picture consultation that people are objecting to, it's the actual conversations online by professional writers who are posing as daters that is the deception. These women are believing they are talking to a legitimate person seeking a dating partner, when they are actually being played/tricked by these writers into thinking they are someone on the dating site. Kind of like catfishing. Pretending to be someone else online and fooling these unsuspecting women in a fraudulent way. I think it's a lot more honest to teach a person how to present themselves better in OLD than to have ghost writers messaging and corresponding with unsuspecting women. I agree with you but not totally. The woman are not talking to a legitimate person seeking a dating partner, but they are talking to a proxy talking on behalf of a person seeking a dating partner. The woman is not wasting her time. There is a deception going on though, where the guy she is talking to is possibly not as witty or well spoken or such a good conversationalist as the person she will meet on the date. I think fooling is a bit of harsh description unless the real guy being represented is a total goober when it comes to conversation in real life and his online conversation proxy was a guy with a degree in creative writing / English Lit. I used to get lame responses back from women when I did OLD. I would not have been too indignant if some of them had hired a person to conduct better conversations with me...as long as if I subsequently met the woman for drinks, the standard of conversation was not very disappointing compared to her emails. People offer services to write resumes or speeches, and this is just another market. I guess it depends how much input the dater gives the writer for each response or if its 100% the writer & his/her charm & intellect as well as their wordsmanship. Link to post Share on other sites
HappyLove Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I agree with you but not totally. The woman are not talking to a legitimate person seeking a dating partner, but they are talking to a proxy talking on behalf of a person seeking a dating partner. The woman is not wasting her time. There is a deception going on though, where the guy she is talking to is possibly not as witty or well spoken or such a good conversationalist as the person she will meet on the date. I think fooling is a bit of harsh description unless the real guy being represented is a total goober when it comes to conversation in real life and his online conversation proxy was a guy with a degree in creative writing / English Lit. I used to get lame responses back from women when I did OLD. I would not have been too indignant if some of them had hired a person to conduct better conversations with me...as long as if I subsequently met the woman for drinks, the standard of conversation was not very disappointing compared to her emails. People offer services to write resumes or speeches, and this is just another market. I guess it depends how much input the dater gives the writer for each response or if its 100% the writer & his/her charm & intellect as well as their wordsmanship. So if you saw a woman's profile who you were really interested in and you ended up contacting her, but it was a MAN writing you back and flirting with you everyday you'd be fine with this? You're racing home to see what this cute chick has to say today but it's really a 450lb beastly unshaven biker in his underwear who's way with words are magic to your ears. Link to post Share on other sites
Author irc333 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 Exactly, then when or IF they meet them in person, they'll run into some socially inept man who can't hold together a decent conversation. Not sure why people on this site are coming to the defense of these places. As I said, it's not the profile writing or the picture consultation that people are objecting to, it's the actual conversations online by professional writers who are posing as daters that is the deception. These women are believing they are talking to a legitimate person seeking a dating partner, when they are actually being played/tricked by these writers into thinking they are someone on the dating site. Kind of like catfishing. Pretending to be someone else online and fooling these unsuspecting women in a fraudulent way. I think it's a lot more honest to teach a person how to present themselves better in OLD than to have ghost writers messaging and corresponding with unsuspecting women. Link to post Share on other sites
PegNosePete Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Not sure why people on this site are coming to the defense of these places. Because "these places" are totally innocent of any wrong-doing! Nobody is defending the profile and message-writing company here. We're defending OKC because they have NOTHING to do with it, and you seem incapable of realizing that simple fact! I'd think OKC KNOWING that this site is planning on doing this to its members would put a stop to the company doing so. And how would they do that? They are not breaking any laws. It's a company paying people to pretend they are someone else and sending women clueless as to what's going on messages pretending to be interested in them. Yes it is deceptive, manipulative and low. But how are you going to prevent it? How do you think OKC can prevent them from doing it? Your two suggestions above are both totally ineffective. So what can they do? Edited August 12, 2014 by a LoveShack.org Moderator 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author irc333 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 I used to get lame responses back from women when I did OLD. I would not have been too indignant if some of them had hired a person to conduct better conversations with me...as long as if I subsequently met the woman for drinks, the standard of conversation was not very disappointing compared to her emails. People offer services to write resumes or speeches, and this is just another market. I guess it depends how much input the dater gives the writer for each response or if its 100% the writer & his/her charm & intellect as well as their wordsmanship. Usually lame responses from women would mean they aren't interested in me. After about 4 or 5 emails of trying to pull information "about herself" out of her, I'd move on thinking she doesn't think much of me to have a normal conversation. I wouldn't think it would have anything to do with her desire to get to know me better and it would never cross my mind to think, "Oh...if she'd ONLY hire a ghost writer, we'd be sipping Margaritas on the beach right now!" Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 So if you saw a woman's profile who you were really interested in and you ended up contacting her, but it was a MAN writing you back and flirting with you everyday you'd be fine with this? You're racing home to see what this cute chick has to say today but it's really a 450lb beastly unshaven biker in his underwear who's way with words are magic to your ears. If it was just straight forward chit chat about her and mine profiles + setting up a date....well not really. If there was flirting going on...then Yes. I still wouldn't be all that crazy on the first case but I could live with it. I would be less phased either way if it was another female operating on behalf of the woman I was interested in though. I guess the point is that the person getting the correspondence from the writer wont ever know, so it will be a case of ignorance is bliss. If the writer was ugly or handsome or in an Asian call centre it really makes no difference to the words. The sister could have answered some of the woman I corresponded with and I'd not have known. Some of the profiles I emailed could have been manned by guys getting their kicks and I wont have known. Really though women wont be hiring this service as they tend to just sit back and evaluate the guys more + I think they would resent paying. Its the guys who far and away initiate and have to keep her attention while new emails flood her inbox each week who will pay this service. I can appreciate though like me above if a woman is heavily/dirty flirting with a guy, she'd be pissed off knowing it was someone else she was flirting with. If it was just normal chit chat but in a somewhat more eloquent manner than the real guy could muster then its not a major con, but it is deceptive conduct. If the service totally operates independently without the dater approving emails / conversation then its does have a greater deception, though the recipient will be oblivious. Personally I wouldn't use this service though I have read of services like this quite a few yrs back Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Usually lame responses from women would mean they aren't interested in me. After about 4 or 5 emails of trying to pull information "about herself" out of her, I'd move on thinking she doesn't think much of me to have a normal conversation. I wouldn't think it would have anything to do with her desire to get to know me better and it would never cross my mind to think, "Oh...if she'd ONLY hire a ghost writer, we'd be sipping Margaritas on the beach right now!" Yeah you're right lame few word responses are a sign of disinterest or putting in minimal effort while juggling multiple guys. After a couple of msgs like that I dropped them. I guess in my example I am assuming the conversation will be designed to keep the interest of the recipient + also with the end goal of agreeing to a date. From an initiating male's perspective that makes sense to have a ghost writer achieve that. I made the assumption that a woman would hire a writer to achieve the same, but reality is they wouldn't use it. They would just ignore most and focus +flirt the hardest with their favorite target while he tries to impress her. Edited August 12, 2014 by ascendotum Link to post Share on other sites
MissBee Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 All I see is a company offering writing services to men (assuming women too) who aren't so good at writing a profile. What wrong with that? Has no one ever had someone do homework for you at any point in your life? Maybe some of the losers here should try it rather than whining. Talk about comparing apples to, well, pork chops. I've helped male friends wrote profiles. Is that deceitful? It seems it's not only writing the profile...but also corresponding with these people. In any event yes it is deceitful to have other people do your homework. Plagiarism and such "help" will get you kicked out of my graduate program. You have writing tutors who give you suggestions and edits but don't actually construct thoughts for you and produce your entire paper. In any event all that is besides the point, what I wanna know is, if you can't make your own profile or even correspond successfully how on earth will things work in person??? It won't compute most likely...and chances are the brilliant, funny and witty profile of some man who is dull and dry in reality will still amount to the same thing: loss of interest after the date. It's not like you're gonna keep going back to their wonderful profile but if what you have in real life is a stretch from their profile...that's that. Link to post Share on other sites
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