Imported Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I know plenty of good-looking guys that are also good guys. They tend to get taken off the market pretty quickly though. Generally, the good-looking guys that are still on the market are players. You know, there is a lot more complexities to life than being a "good guy" or a "player". Even when you include "generally" in your broad brush stroke. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Good looking guys naturally attract a lot of envy because they are attractive enough to have a varied pool of options, from slightly large to huge. Not to say that good looking guys have the monopoly, but they do more than good for themselves in the dating market. It fails to take into account the attitude of those men and asusmes they all carry the exact same characteristics, as though man is inherently hive-minded. An unattractive man is not less likely to cheat at all. The good looking guy may have more options but that doesn't make him any more likely to cheat in general. If they all had opportunities (and believe me, I know some guys who don't look all that but do very well with women), the curve would not tip in favor of either. A lot of people still quoting Chris Rock, and while I love the guy I have to respectfully disagree. A man is as faithful as he wishes and allows himself to be. Good looking or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Revolver Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Ok so what happens if the unattractive man suddenly gains options? Is he going to act just like an evil cheating hot dude? If so, whats the point of acting like an unattractive guy is the better option? Criticizing others for doing something theyd do in a heartbeat seems a bit hypocritical to me... Who is acting like the unattractive guy is the better option? Link to post Share on other sites
MoreCoffee Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Sex is not equally available to men as it is women. I'm not whining, it is what it is. What the op offers to men in this thread are processes, not solutions. Join an online dating service. Answer the ads on backpage and craigslist. Go forth, find and hire a prostitute. These "steps" might lead to "routes" which may lead to "paths" that end you where you began.(or in jail) Figuratively, there are mountains to traverse, moats to swim across and castle walls to scale. And when you finally get to the princess, there's a damn good chance she wants someone else to do the saving.(and sexing) Edited September 17, 2014 by MoreCoffee 1 Link to post Share on other sites
PJKino Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Well, no, because good looking men are relatively rare. Unless we went to polyamory/polygyny. Are they THAT rare? Maybe youre just overly picky 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Natsu21 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The majority of women are, and then the majority wonder why they can't find their happily ever after. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Think of it this way, almost all guys want to have sex with as many women as possible. The really good looking guys simply have more opportunities to do so. This sums it up for me in simple terms. Good looking men are not inherently more evil then less attractive men, they just have a lot more options so they tend to be (generally speaking here) less faithful / commitment orientated / respectful because women in their life are easily replaced. OP, I know you think its the same for less attractive guys, and I guess it depends of what factors we talk about as regards that. I now you have made mention of being treated bad by a guy/s who were nothing special looks wise. A guy who is broad shouldered and has solid beefy build but has average facial aesthetics, will still do very well in the dating market, and can be a a bit of a douche if he wants. Plenty of average women I know go for well built/taller masculine guys. I'd consider them fairly good looking guys, but some of them don't think he is all that special because 'he's no brad pitt' or 'he's no male model' or 'he doesn't have an athletic body', but plenty of women are DTF for these guys. Some of these guys may not get the hotties easy for fun times, but they have options and know it. Having that mindset means there is more of a chance the average woman will be not be considered 'really special' as they can be replaced without wandering in the 'single & no sex' wilderness for too long. Some of the guys I knew who played in rock bands could be considered just average looking in strict terms, but with their long hair, bad boy rock star style, they got so much pussy and could hold out and get very pretty gfs. Easy come easy go for most of the girls they met though. Average looking guys can still be jerks if they date below average women or average looks & life women if they have the attitude/confidence to easily pull women. For your average joe shmoe less confident guys, eager sexy women don't come all that easy or really not at all. They really can't afford to be dicks in how they treat women, as they are easily replaced by the women. Depends how desirable the woman is too though as to what she will put up with...especially in terms of a LTRs (her NSA market value is much higher) In my observations the more desirable you are (often correlates to good looks but not exclusively) the better you will be treated by the opposite sex and the more options you will have so if you blow it with one another will come along soon. Same in reverse for lots of women, except they don't have the same mindset as guys when it comes to variety. Edited September 18, 2014 by ascendotum 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Who is acting like the unattractive guy is the better option? General ls sentiment Sex is not equally available to men as it is women. I'm not whining, it is what it is. What the op offers to men in this thread are processes, not solutions. Join an online dating service. Answer the ads on backpage and craigslist. Go forth, find and hire a prostitute. These "steps" might lead to "routes" which may lead to "paths" that end you where you began.(or in jail) Figuratively, there are mountains to traverse, moats to swim across and castle walls to scale. And when you finally get to the princess, there's a damn good chance she wants someone else to do the saving.(and sexing) its really not as hard as you are making it. Tbh, most arrests are of girls not of guys. Guys are pretty safe from jail. Are they THAT rare? Maybe youre just overly picky Good looking men are very rare except maybe in Cali. It has nothing to do with me being picky as I have dated men from all leagues. This sums it up for me in simple terms. Good looking men are not inherently more evil then less attractive men, they just have a lot more options so they tend to be (generally speaking here) less faithful / commitment orientated / respectful because women in their life are easily replaced. OP, I know you think its the same for less attractive guys, and I guess it depends of what factors we talk about as regards that. I now you have made mention of being treated bad by a guy/s who were nothing special looks wise. A guy who is broad shouldered and has solid beefy build but has average facial aesthetics, will still do very well in the dating market, and can be a a bit of a douche if he wants. Plenty of average women I know go for well built/taller masculine guys. I'd consider them fairly good looking guys, but some of them don't think he is all that special because 'he's no brad pitt' or 'he's no male model' or 'he doesn't have an athletic body', but plenty of women are DTF for these guys. Some of these guys may not get the hotties easy for fun times, but they have options and know it. Having that mindset means there is more of a chance the average woman will be not be considered 'really special' as they can be replaced without wandering in the 'single & no sex' wilderness for too long. Some of the guys I knew who played in rock bands could be considered just average looking in strict terms, but with their long hair, bad boy rock star style, they got so much pussy and could hold out and get very pretty gfs. Easy come easy go for most of the girls they met though. Average looking guys can still be jerks if they date below average women or average looks & life women if they have the attitude/confidence to easily pull women. For your average joe shmoe less confident guys, eager sexy women don't come all that easy or really not at all. They really can't afford to be dicks in how they treat women, as they are easily replaced by the women. Depends how desirable the woman is too though as to what she will put up with...especially in terms of a LTRs (her NSA market value is much higher) In my observations the more desirable you are (often correlates to good looks but not exclusively) the better you will be treated by the opposite sex and the more options you will have so if you blow it with one another will come along soon. Same in reverse for lots of women, except they don't have the same mindset as guys when it comes to variety. Tbh its not just my experience. Ive seen other girls get treated like frap by ok looking men. All men have options no matter what guys on ls say. Really, we are just going around in circles. If we are saying that mens faithfulness is dependent on women, we are right back at believing less attractive men are involuntarily faithful. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 In general better looking men have more options, so they are less likely to stick around and tolerate nonsense. Also, if a man always has hot women throwing themselves at him, why is he going to limit himself to one woman? A hot guy is probably not going to settle for one woman until he's older and tired of having sex with every girl that looks at him. Link to post Share on other sites
Anela Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sex is not equally available to men as it is women. I'm not whining, it is what it is. But not all of our options are attractive to us, and when we say that, it's turned onto us as our fault somehow. We're too picky, we expect too much, did we ignore someone because of the car he drove? Was he too short? Was he broke? Was he breathing? well, then, we should have done him the service of sleeping with him, since he was breathing, and by god, what in the hell is wrong with Western women? If we ask the guy if he has women who are interested in him, they tend to complain that they're only ever hit on by obese or older women (and who wants someone over the age of 25? puh-leeze!). If we try to tell them that they might be being a bit picky, then it's once again turned around on us. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Anela Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 In general better looking men have more options, so they are less likely to stick around and tolerate nonsense. Also, if a man always has hot women throwing themselves at him, why is he going to limit himself to one woman? Compatibility? Love? What happened to those? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Anela Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A lot of people still quoting Chris Rock, and while I love the guy I have to respectfully disagree. A man is as faithful as he wishes and allows himself to be. Good looking or not. :love: 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sex is not equally available to men as it is women. Well, its not because women are pickier. If women were as indiscriminate as men, we would be sluts. Also, I want to like a man if I sleep with him. Im not gonna sleep with a man because he's a man. Men cqn even the field by being more sexually discriminate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 In general better looking men have more options, so they are less likely to stick around and tolerate nonsense. Also, if a man always has hot women throwing themselves at him, why is he going to limit himself to one woman? A hot guy is probably not going to settle for one woman until he's older and tired of having sex with every girl that looks at him. Even if less attractive men have less options, they still have options and cheat all the time. Still we dont have anything better than unattractive dudes are faithful because they are being c*ckblocked. Thats like saying the desire is there no matter what a man looks like but less attractive men are better partners by virtue of being desperate and unattractive. Involuntarily faithful. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 But not all of our options are attractive to us, and when we say that, it's turned onto us as our fault somehow. We're too picky, we expect too much, did we ignore someone because of the car he drove? Was he too short? Was he broke? Was he breathing? well, then, we should have done him the service of sleeping with him, since he was breathing, and by god, what in the hell is wrong with Western women? If we ask the guy if he has women who are interested in him, they tend to complain that they're only ever hit on by obese or older women (and who wants someone over the age of 25? puh-leeze!). If we try to tell them that they might be being a bit picky, then it's once again turned around on us. Thats another ls sentiment-women should be happy with whatever dude and stop being so darned picky meanwhile men should be able to judge women. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Compatibility? Love? What happened to those? They went the way of the good-looking, but evil, milkman (For those not old enough to know what that is, it was common when I was young, if a child didn't look like their parents, to call them 'the milkman's baby'). While dated, it did underscore the power of, and potential evil of, good-looking men, even back in the 'staid' 50's and 60's. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Even if less attractive men have less options, they still have options and cheat all the time. Still we dont have anything better than unattractive dudes are faithful because they are being c*ckblocked. Thats like saying the desire is there no matter what a man looks like but less attractive men are better partners by virtue of being desperate and unattractive. Involuntarily faithful. I wanted to add that I see young hot guys who are dating or are married. Thats exactly the core of this thread, always something negative to say about good looking men. In my area, people in general marry young. Yes, even hot dudes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
stillafool Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 My husband is drop dead gorgeous, movie star handsome, turns heads where ever he goes. He had no idea how good looking he was because as a child before contacts & the military, he was a geek & that is still his self image. The 1st thing my mother said to him is that he was "too good looking". All my friends urged me to drop him for the reasons you mentioned; they assumed based on what he looks like & all the women who throw themselves at him, that of course he would cheat. My husband is the most faithful guy I know. Loyalty & fidelity are incredibly important to him. He'd no more cheat then cut off his left arm. Until I started pointing it out to him half the time he had no idea women were hitting on him. Looks are only a small part of who a person is. What's inside matters but it's nice when it comes in a pretty package. Your husband sounds just like mine! My husband is drop dead gorgeous, body incredible, 6'4" and he thinks cheaters are awful people. Women constantly throw themselves at him and he could care less. Of course, I'm no troll myself ; but I love how he handles himself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The incidence of very attractive men falling in love and marrying young has not disappeared from society. I'm around high school and college aged people, and there is still every category of boy and girl, man and woman out there: gems and jerks, both. And puppy love and marrying high school sweethearts still happens. The more things change, the more things stay the same. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Even if less attractive men have less options, they still have options and cheat all the time. Still we dont have anything better than unattractive dudes are faithful because they are being c*ckblocked. Thats like saying the desire is there no matter what a man looks like but less attractive men are better partners by virtue of being desperate and unattractive. Involuntarily faithful. If you read my post, you'd see that I didn't mention cheating or being faithful at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Keenly Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 OP, you are still quite sorely mistaken on your distorted view of men and their endless options. You really need to be realistic in your thought process, because making things up does not make them so. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 OP, you are still quite sorely mistaken on your distorted view of men and their endless options. You really need to be realistic in your thought process, because making things up does not make them so. She's mentioned earlier that a not so good looking boyfriend cheated on her with a hooker, so I can see why she is getting stuck on the thought that all men have options. If she can accept that not that man men consider hookers as options she can see that men really don't always have a woman available. Also, not all men want to have with just any any woman. Link to post Share on other sites
Anela Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 If you are a young guy, and in decent shape, it is a bit demoralizing when only older, obese women appear to be interested in you. On the flip side, I know a lot of women who insist on being with a tall, good looking guy, that has a great career, when she is none of those things. Those are the sort of women we are calling picky. Think of how it is to be a 36-year-old woman, and being told that you "should" be dating men who are in their fifties, then. It's demoralizing, when men who are old enough to be your father, or close to it, are the main ones who show interest. It's to be expected, I've been told, that women my age, won't be wanted by men my age, so I should just shut up. I didn't tell SD to go for the girl he doesn't think is cute, did I? No, because I don't think that would be fair to her. He has been asked to get to know her as a person, but apparently, that's too much to ask of someone - to treat a girl like a human being - a girl who's actually being nice to him. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Anela Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 But back to the point of the thread: No, not all tall, good-looking men are dumb, or liars and cheaters. Not all short, possibly unattractive men have golden hearts, and beautiful personalities. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 OP, you are still quite sorely mistaken on your distorted view of men and their endless options. You really need to be realistic in your thought process, because making things up does not make them so. If you have a couple bucks and/or a computer, you have options. Whethe or not you choose to take them is up to you. Link to post Share on other sites
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