The Evil Good Looking Man

[OwMyEyeball]

On ls I frequently see posts putting down good looking men. Usually, its something like, "Alpha males want to spread their seed" or "Good looking men will cheat (not-so-good looking men wont)?

 

Is that really true? Why are good looking men presumed tp be so...awful...compared to their less attractive counterparts?

 

Most of the criticisms of good looking men could really encompass a lot of men in general regardless of their appearance.

 

Is it really that bad to date a hot guy?

The only thing that's bad is taking any trends found on this or any other forums and applying them to reality.

[somedude81]

Paying for sex absolutely does count.

It is still an option whether or not you take it.

 

Im not saying anybody is lying about being unattractive. This is a thread about demonization of hot men.

 

Do you like having empty meaningless sex with random men?

[GoodOnPaper]

it seems like a few of you are actually making the argument AGAINST dating a less attractive guy. Your argument comes out: These good-looking men are faithful because they WANT TO be (i.e., he ignores other women attracted to him because is truly in love with her), while an unattractive guy is faithful because he HAS TO be (i.e., he has no other options)

 

It seems like the premise of this thread is to drive home the assertion that guys who are of average and below-average attractiveness cannot possibly be a catch or somehow make up for their poor looks through character. If that's what women want to believe, that's fine. I'm one of those guys who has never had other options, so my faithfulness is meaningless. But what does that say about my wife? She's the one who chose me - isn't expecting faithfulness from me just as meaningless?

 

Now we're to the same assumption that the OP says is made about good looking guys but shouldn't be. So, it really just comes down to individual men making individual choices. Like it or not, my uninformed choice to be faithful is just as valid as a good looking man's decision to do so after turning down lots of offers to stray.

[hotpotato]

They're only good because they can't be bad? Interesting idea!

Its quite interesting, and it doesnt say much about less attractive men.

 

I think men that want to sleep with many women (and see women more as sex objects) are more likely to put in way more effort into their physical appearance because they are trying to attract and sleep with a lot of women.

 

That's why the impression might be that good looking guys are more likely to be players or unfaithful.

Seeing women as sex objects has nothing to do with whether or not a man works out or is attractive. Plenty of less attractive and even flat out unattractive guys see women as sex objects. Many women apparently want to sleep with a lot of women.

 

I doubt the willingness to workout or look good has anything to do with how horny a man is.

 

The only thing that's bad is taking any trends found on this or any other forums and applying them to reality.

Well, I dont believe it. Frankly, I think its all the same at the end of the day, and I dont think less attractive men are so much better. Im trying to understand the thought process.

 

It seems like the premise of this thread is to drive home the assertion that guys who are of average and below-average attractiveness cannot possibly be a catch or somehow make up for their poor looks through character. If that's what women want to believe, that's fine. I'm one of those guys who has never had other options, so my faithfulness is meaningless. But what does that say about my wife? She's the one who chose me - isn't expecting faithfulness from me just as meaningless?

 

Now we're to the same assumption that the OP says is made about good looking guys but shouldn't be. So, it really just comes down to individual men making individual choices. Like it or not, my uninformed choice to be faithful is just as valid as a good looking man's decision to do so after turning down lots of offers to stray.

 

This isnt about saying less attrctive men cant make up for being less attractive with good treats. Im saying less attractive men arent much better than the attractive men they talk crap about.

 

And no, I dont think its better that someone is involuntarily faithful.

[hotpotato]

Do you like having empty meaningless sex with random men?

 

 

I have met many men who didnt mind having empty, meani gless sex. Sex is sex.

[somedude81]

Many women apparently want to sleep with a lot of women.

 

Well then can you really blame guys for their desires?

 

Apparently everybody wants to sleep with women

[hotpotato]

As I know plenty of good-looking men who are faithful, it seems like a few of you are actually making the argument AGAINST dating a less attractive guy. Your argument comes out: These good-looking men are faithful because they WANT TO be (i.e., he ignores other women attracted to him because is truly in love with her), while an unattractive guy is faithful because he HAS TO be (i.e., he has no other options).

 

I think most women would rather be with a guy who is faithful because he is truly in love with her, versus a guy who is faithful because he has to be because of lack of other options/desperation.

Thats part of what im getting at!

I have heard of women who will only date hot guys because they have experienced unattractive men who are lying, cheating, mean you name it. I understand where they are coming from.

Well then can you really blame guys for their desires?

 

Apparently everybody wants to sleep with women

Thats my point. Its all the same, so why bother making generalizations about hot men that are true for men in general?

[somedude81]

Thats part of what im getting at!

I have heard of women who will only date hot guys because they have experienced unattractive men who are lying, cheating, mean you name it. I understand where they are coming from.

 

Do you not see the flaw in that logic?

 

Women will only date men with X desirable trait because they have dated men with X undesirable trait, who have done undesirable actions.

 

Never will you hear a woman say, "I will only date short/ugly/fat guys because I've had tall/good looking/fit men lie and cheat.

 

It's as stupid as me saying, "I will never date women with small breasts because they lie and cheat."

 

Thats my point. Its all the same, so why bother making generalizations about hot men that are true for men in general?

 

What is your true purpose to this thread hotpotato?

 

My guess is that what you really want to do is put down less attractive men and uplift the hot men.

 

Have you ever heard of the Halo Effect?

[organizedchaos]

Generally, a man is only as faithful as his options. See also, actors, athletes, musicians.

[Imported]

Generally, a man is only as faithful as his options. See also, actors, athletes, musicians.

 

 

And back to the beginning of the circle we go.

 

Crappy people are only as faithful as their options. If you have any character and you have respect for the person you are with, you will be faithful. Even in the face of all the options you will come across that will offer themselves up. At least I know I can, but maybe not the same for you. Don't lump all guys in with your personal inability to choose how you live. Being faithful is a choice.

 

In college though, I was out of control. I had a lot to learn and I have come to realize the error of my ways for then. I'm not going to repeat it.

[thefooloftheyear]

No correlation....

 

With that said...an unattractive or undesireable man might be the tyoe that realizes his options are limited and will therefore, always be on best behavior, because this may be the last woman that he thinks is going to give him a shot...

 

An attractive and desirable guy, who is getting it handed to him on a silver platter at every turn, is going to have to be of stronger character..Opportunity exists everywhere for them....

 

TFY

[Anela]

They're only good because they can't be bad? Interesting idea!

 

I'm supposed to be all bitter and twisted, due to my age, but I don't buy this. It might be true for some, but not for all.

[Anela]

It seems like the premise of this thread is to drive home the assertion that guys who are of average and below-average attractiveness cannot possibly be a catch or somehow make up for their poor looks through character.

 

I don't think so. It's been put forth by a few guys in threads like the consolidated height thread, that hot, tall men are douchey, and dumb. "Women always want the tall, rich bad boys." "I'd rather be short and smart, than tall and stupid."

[xxoo]

A person's attractiveness tells little about their character.

 

Trust yourself to judge character well, and you'll be fine. It's as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor man, and a good looking man as a plain one.

[hotpotato]

Generally, a man is only as faithful as his options. See also, actors, athletes, musicians.

 

And unattractive men have plenty of options, no matter what they say...

[hotpotato]

I don't think so. It's been put forth by a few guys in threads like the consolidated height thread, that hot, tall men are douchey, and dumb. "Women always want the tall, rich bad boys." "I'd rather be short and smart, than tall and stupid."

 

BINGO!

 

No correlation....

 

With that said...an unattractive or undesireable man might be the tyoe that realizes his options are limited and will therefore, always be on best behavior, because this may be the last woman that he thinks is going to give him a shot...

 

An attractive and desirable guy, who is getting it handed to him on a silver platter at every turn, is going to have to be of stronger character..Opportunity exists everywhere for them....

 

TFY

Opportunity exists everywhere for unattractive men as well, though they may have to pay.

 

 

Do you not see the flaw in that logic?

 

Women will only date men with X desirable trait because they have dated men with X undesirable trait, who have done undesirable actions.

 

Never will you hear a woman say, "I will only date short/ugly/fat guys because I've had tall/good looking/fit men lie and cheat.

 

It's as stupid as me saying, "I will never date women with small breasts because they lie and cheat."

 

 

What is your true purpose to this thread hotpotato?

My guess is that what you really want to do is put down less attractive men and uplift the hot men.

 

Have you ever heard of the Halo Effect?

 

What I'm trying to do is show that being unattractive in and of itself doesn't make a man morally superior to someone who is hot.

 

No, I haven't heard that from women, but I have heard more like, "He's going to cheat anyway, so I'll just go ahead and date a hot guy."

 

 

I don't think it's just a matter of good looking men being awful in comparison to less attractive men.

 

Think about how many threads you see on this forum about how some woman is putting up with all kinds of crap from a guy, just because he is really attractive. I think it's almost a learned behavior for these guys. They know they can get away with pretty much anything, so they do it. Deep down, he may not be a bad guy, but when most women he dates let him walk all over her, he doesn't have to act any differently.

 

I also read where women say they had a partner who was unattractive but still wasn't a good partner. I think those posts get less attention because they don't fit the narrative.

Also, you can flip this scenario around and it still works. Many people, when they are dating someone really attractive, will work extra hard to keep them. They don't want to lose that attractive partner. So, with this in mind, if you are the better looking person in a relationship, you may not treat your less attractive partner all that well.

I do think there is some truth to that, but still I can name a lot of times irl when a woman was mistreated and even *gasp* cheated on by a man who wasn't that hot.

 

I have experienced both of those situations in my own dating. Most of the women who were really good to me, were the least attractive of the women I dated. The best looking women I was with tended to be a big pain in the butt.

 

Are you sure thats because of how she looked? I could use myself as an example. I've had guys tell me that they think i would be a handful because of how I look. In reality, I'd be a handful because I'm a lone wolf, something that had nothing to do with how I looked. I guess what I'm saying is correlations isn't causation lol.

 

 

 

Not really. Paying for it doesn't quite count. A lot of guys aren't willing to pay for that sort of thing. Just read some of the prostitution threads on here if you haven't already.

Paying for it DOES count. Sex is sex.

[thefooloftheyear]

BINGO!

 

 

Opportunity exists everywhere for unattractive men as well, though they may have to pay.

 

 

 

 

sex.

 

 

What if they are broke?

 

TFY

[hotpotato]

What if they are broke?

 

TFY

 

Backpage lol

[Keenly]

And unattractive men have plenty of options, no matter what they say...

 

You keep making things up and I'll keep wishing for a les Paul.

[hotpotato]

You keep making things up and I'll keep wishing for a les Paul.

 

No, I'm not making things up.

 

I dated an unattractive man who actually did cheat on my prostitutes. So much for him not having any options. At the end of our relationship he cheated again when he started dating another woman.

 

No options? I think not...

[Keenly]

No, I'm not making things up.

 

I dated an unattractive man who actually did cheat on my prostitutes. So much for him not having any options. At the end of our relationship he cheated again when he started dating another woman.

 

No options? I think not...

 

 

This is a stupid line of reasoning.

 

No one should be poor, because everyone has access to money through stealing.

 

 

 

 

Linear analogy? Check.

 

Stupid argument as to how every man can get sex? Check.

[hotpotato]

This is a stupid line of reasoning.

 

No one should be poor, because everyone has access to money through stealing.

 

 

 

 

Linear analogy? Check.

 

Stupid argument as to how every man can get sex? Check.

 

I give a real life example of how unattractive men do have options, and it's stupid. It's not a stupid argument, it's true.

 

Sex is sex. An option is still an option even if you don't want it.

 

Is sex even comparable to stealing?

 

But ok, let's go with it. We would still be saying, "Unattractive men are faithful because they have to be, not necessarily because they want to be." That doesn't give unattractive guys a moral high ground over supposedly douchey but more attractive men.

Edited September 10, 2014 by hotpotato

[Keenly]

I give a real life example of how unattractive men do have options, and it's stupid. It's not a stupid argument, it's true.

 

Sex is sex. An option is still an option even if you don't want it.

 

Is sex even comparable to stealing?

 

But ok, let's go with it. We would still be saying, "Unattractive men are faithful because they have to be, not necessarily because they want to be." That doesn't give unattractive guys a moral high ground over supposedly douchey but more attractive men.

 

Who is looking for moral high ground exactly?

 

Faithful is faithful, and loyal is loyal, regardless of the cause of those traits.

 

 

Prostitution is more akin to masturbation than to sex. Its not like its mutually enjoyed or intimate.

[hotpotato]

Who is looking for moral high ground exactly?

 

Faithful is faithful, and loyal is loyal, regardless of the cause of those traits.

Who wants to moral high ground? Where have you been this entire thread.

 

And that's the only way less attractive men can have the moral high ground.

Not cheating because you are unattractive and have no chance to cheat is now the same as cheating because you don't want to (but in fact less attractive men can and do cheat).

 

Prostitution is more akin to masturbation than to sex. Its not like its mutually enjoyed or intimate.

 

And so is a lot of casual sex, but casual sex still seems to be a much desired option. I'm not sure if I'd call wanting to have sex with a whole bunch of women "intimate" whether or not money is involved.

 

So, if a man who is taken has sex with a prostitute, it's not cheating because it's not really sex. Sadly, that is really how some men think.

[HappyLove]

There was actually a study done that proved that insecure men are the ones most likely to cheat. Who are the most insecure men? The ugly ones, not so great career, not as appealing as a "hot" guy.

 

I dated some not so great looking men thinking hey why not give them a chance. Big mistake, they were ugly on the outside and inside the worst men I've ever dated. The most gorgeous guy I know has girls begging to get with him and he has such high morals he would never cheat on his girl. So I don't buy into the hot guy has it too easy so he will cheat theory. It's the insecure man you gotta watch.