somedude81 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Good looking guys are definitely discriminated against. I know because I am handsome and have experienced it. It is automatically assumed that I am already taken, not interested or a serial cheater. People would be surprised to find that good looking people are actually quite often lonely. Its also often harder for a good looking guy (in some situations) to have NSA sex. The women see you as relationship material too quickly. They get hurt. Its actually one of the reasons that I occasionally will see a sex worker. Because I know she either sees a lot of good looking guys or already has a BF, so it is safe in that way. ROFL! Be honest dude, you would never trade your looks to be below average or even average. Any discrimination you think you experience is more than made up for the multitude of perks you get. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Good looking guys are definitely discriminated against. I know because I am handsome and have experienced it. It is automatically assumed that I am already taken, not interested or a serial cheater. Same here..I am assumed to be married or 'with' someone always. People would be surprised to find that good looking people are actually quite often lonely. Yep. Its also often harder for a good looking guy (in some situations) to have NSA sex. The women see you as relationship material too quickly. They get hurt. Going on one date is bad enough let alone anything like that. Its actually one of the reasons that I occasionally will see a sex worker. Because I know she either sees a lot of good looking guys or already has a BF, so it is safe in that way. This I wouldn't do as a female. I just go without. Link to post Share on other sites
No Limit Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I'll admit that too good looks lower my believe in the guys' faithfulness. Of course behavior plays in; if he's good looking but doesn't gaze at every good looking girl I wouldn't mind. But I do have trust issues, so I guess no movie star for me. Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Good looking guys are definitely discriminated against. I know because I am handsome and have experienced it. It is automatically assumed that I am already taken, not interested or a serial cheater. People would be surprised to find that good looking people are actually quite often lonely. Its also often harder for a good looking guy (in some situations) to have NSA sex. The women see you as relationship material too quickly. They get hurt. Its actually one of the reasons that I occasionally will see a sex worker. Because I know she either sees a lot of good looking guys or already has a BF, so it is safe in that way. Oh please I'd take your plight over mine anyday..the feeling of very little women attracted to you and ignoring you for your better looking friends are a lot worse. Me an my buddy were with two married friends who are girls at the bar and my female friend tries to set up my other friend with the waitress because he's good looking it hurts when I know she didn't try to set me up because she figured the women would not be attracted to me. One thing you did say that I see happen to my good looking friend a lot is these women he sees fall in love with him so quickly meanwhile he doesn't like any if them it's like they're so excited to date a real good looking guy they convince themselves their in love right away Link to post Share on other sites
Imajerk17 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Im not going anywhere...just pointing out the flawed logic in the OP's thread.. But if you think that a guy that is good looking, successful, good physique, etc, doesnt have a multitude of options that one who doesnt have...well...I dunno what to tell you...*shrug* TFY Well, *of course* an attractive guy (looks, personality, career success, game) has options that an unattractive guy does not. No one ever said otherwise. Maybe you're young, but life isn't always fair. That said, one of the advantages of being a man is that you can work on qualities you CAN control to give you power and choice in the dating game. Does that mean that an attractive guy in a happy relationship is more likely to cheat? Maybe, maybe not. Your examples don't mean anything though. Maybe the attractive guy is a lot more selective when it comes to picking his girlfriend, and so for him to meet someone he would be tempted to cheat WITH is a much rarer occurrence than it would be for the average Joe who would be blown away by attention from a girl "out of his league". Besides just because someone doesn't cheat doesn't make them a good partner. There is jealousy, insecurity, and even abuse, all of which stem from low self-esteem, something that probably affects "unattractive" people as much as anyone else. Edited September 13, 2014 by Imajerk17 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Well, *of course* an attractive guy (looks, personality, career success, game) has options that an unattractive guy does not. No one ever said otherwise. Maybe you're young, but life isn't always fair. That said, one of the advantages of being a man is that you can work on qualities you CAN control to give you power and choice in the dating game. Does that mean that an attractive guy in a happy relationship is more likely to cheat? Maybe, maybe not. Your examples don't mean anything though. Maybe the attractive guy is a lot more selective when it comes to picking his girlfriend, and so for him to meet someone he would be tempted to cheat WITH is a much rarer occurrence than it would be for the average Joe who would be blown away by attention from a girl "out of his league". Besides just because someone doesn't cheat doesn't make them a good partner. There is jealousy, insecurity, and even abuse, all of which stem from low self-esteem, something that probably affects "unattractive" people as much as anyone else. Im probably old enough to be your dad....but i dunno... Look...its really pretty simple... Lets say you have a random sampling of 100 guys..(varied in attractiveness, etc) 60 would never cheat under any circumstances(lets throw them back-dont apply to this discussion)... Of the 40 left-that will cheat under the right conditions... Break them into two groups.. The ones that have options(attractive, etc)..They will then go that route-and probably do often... The ones that arent attractive may cheat, but perhaps may never get the opportunity... I know single guys that couldnt get laid in a whorehouse on Dollar Night....Like someone else pointed out...its easy to say those guys will never cheat...Thats like saying you will never catch a trophy Largemouth in your bathtub.... TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Imajerk17 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Im probably old enough to be your dad....but i dunno... Look...its really pretty simple... Lets say you have a random sampling of 100 guys..(varied in attractiveness, etc) 60 would never cheat under any circumstances(lets throw them back-dont apply to this discussion)... Of the 40 left-that will cheat under the right conditions... Break them into two groups.. The ones that have options(attractive, etc)..They will then go that route-and probably do often... The ones that arent attractive may cheat, but perhaps may never get the opportunity... I know single guys that couldnt get laid in a whorehouse on Dollar Night....Like someone else pointed out...its easy to say those guys will never cheat...Thats like saying you will never catch a trophy Largemouth in your bathtub.... TFY See I still don't agree with this. I think the key is to have options **that actually tempt you**. Wouldn't a more attractive guy who already picked the best of his (substantial) options at the time and is used to female attention be less easily dazzled? Also, what if an average "taken" guy hits on a woman who isn't an option and who rejects him (due to her not being attracted to him). Does that count for anything? I've seen plenty of sleazy behavior from "average" dudes who are married by the way. Just because they didn't get anywhere doesn't mean that they didn't try. Meanwhile, you *still* ignored all the other reasons why someone might make a bad partner besides cheating--insecurity, jealousy, letting himself go, being boring, ect... Edited September 13, 2014 by Imajerk17 Link to post Share on other sites
Weezy1973 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Most people are average looking. Therefore the amount of effort one puts into their appearance is going to often make the difference between someone being attractive vs. being average or unattractive. People who spend a lot of time, effort and money on their looks on average are going to be more superficial than those that spend a lot of time, effort and money on more meaningful things. Therefore the percentage of superficial (i.e. not looking for a meaningful relationship) men will be disproportionately greater amongst attractive men (i.e. the men that spend a lot of time, effort and money on their looks) than amongst average or unattractive men (i.e. the men that spend their time, effort and money on more meaningful things). Same goes for women. This doesn't make them evil, just superficial. Link to post Share on other sites
Cristo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 well, then there are the recently good looking ones whose bloated egos sometimes makes them confuse fantasy and reality I don't think attractiveness is a factor in whether a guy would cheat.... but I think a history of a guy's attractiveness through his life along with the way he handled himself during those times would be the key to knowing whether he'll cheat or not. I don't think that this is necessarily true. People change. A guy that is 21 will likely handle various situations much differently when he is 30. Ok so what happens if the unattractive man suddenly gains options? Is he going to act just like an evil cheating hot dude? If so, whats the point of acting like an unattractive guy is the better option? Criticizing others for doing something theyd do in a heartbeat seems a bit hypocritical to me... I've been blessed with good-looking friends (despite my overall average looks). Exactly half of them cheat and half of them don't. Personally, as an average guy, I've never cheated and I absolutely abhor it. Homely to average men are, if anything, even more anxious to put notches in their belts too, because they are trying to prove something to themselves and others. I also disagree with this. From my observations, men are more anxious about notches in their belts when they are younger, regardless of their looks. Guys that are in their teens and early 20s mostly care about how cool they look to their friends. Again, this has nothing to do with looks. Then as they (we) mature, we care less about what our friends think. At 27, I have no women in my life now (by choice) and I will not have one again until I find one that I like. I don't feel that I have anything to prove to myself or anyone else. I know I could get have sex with random women if I wanted to, but I don't want that. And, as I said, I'm definitely not one of the top guys looks-wise. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Im probably old enough to be your dad....but i dunno... Look...its really pretty simple... Lets say you have a random sampling of 100 guys..(varied in attractiveness, etc) 60 would never cheat under any circumstances(lets throw them back-dont apply to this discussion)... Of the 40 left-that will cheat under the right conditions... Break them into two groups.. The ones that have options(attractive, etc)..They will then go that route-and probably do often... The ones that arent attractive may cheat, but perhaps may never get the opportunity... I know single guys that couldnt get laid in a whorehouse on Dollar Night....Like someone else pointed out...its easy to say those guys will never cheat...Thats like saying you will never catch a trophy Largemouth in your bathtub.... TFY Plenty of men cheat, yes even average ones. My grandpa is 70, missing most of his teeth, but still has managed to find a side piece. Lets say that what you said is true. Is it really better that a man is involuntarily faithful? If a man is involuntarily fauthful, hw has no moral high ground over evil sexy hot cheating men. Ugly dude is the same, hes only being c*ckblocked. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Low self esteem. Yes, and haterism. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Only a fraction of guys will go that dirtbag route you are talking about...Put them at the bottom of the bell curve.. By pointing out fringe scenarios??, honestly I dont really know what the direction of the thread is??? TFY Theres nothing fringe about meeting peopke in those venues. Link to post Share on other sites
MoreCoffee Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Every guy has plenty of options for sex. Link to post Share on other sites
Natsu21 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The problem here is this. It's not that men lack options(though there are those who don't have ANY) it's like women, they lack options that they want. But still, in the eyes of man, 1 or 2 options they got that are repulsive to them is crappier than 10 hot options that their better looking, more charismatic friend got. Whether or not we want to admit, the issue is we both want very attractive options, but some people will always have the physical disadvantage than others. If Brad Pitt could date every girl he saw, most girls would date him, no questions asked. Same with if every man could date Christina Aguilera. (woo she's gorgeous) We all want hot options, and the hotter a guy or girl is, the more she is "excused" in the dating scene. That is just the way it is. Those who aren't as hot have to work harder to get noticed. Link to post Share on other sites
MoreCoffee Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 We're all aware of the social experiments of the guy asking so many women/the gal asking the men. You wont make me link it right? Link to post Share on other sites
Natsu21 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Back in the caveman days, the better looking guys got the best looking women. When civilization was created, the smarter ones grabbed power. Hence why richer men were able to arrange marriages with women that otherwise wasn't attracted to them. Trust me, if most men had their way, they'd love to go back to those times. Especially the high school guys who lost the "hotter" women to the atheletes. No hot woman is going to go out with a balding, overweight beer drinker unless his personality was out of this world. The truth has been spoken Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 See I still don't agree with this. I think the key is to have options **that actually tempt you**. Wouldn't a more attractive guy who already picked the best of his (substantial) options at the time and is used to female attention be less easily dazzled? Also, what if an average "taken" guy hits on a woman who isn't an option and who rejects him (due to her not being attracted to him). Does that count for anything? I've seen plenty of sleazy behavior from "average" dudes who are married by the way. Just because they didn't get anywhere doesn't mean that they didn't try. Meanwhile, you *still* ignored all the other reasons why someone might make a bad partner besides cheating--insecurity, jealousy, letting himself go, being boring, ect... I hear what you are saying...but lets face it.... Perhaps this is a poor example, but I dont eat cheesecake...Never ordered it in a restaurant and never bought it...I am on a scary strict dietary regimen that I have been on for years...That being said...If someone dropped a NY Cheesecake in my fridge and placed it on the top shelf....Id likely grab it.. Good looking and desirable guys dont even have to look for women...They get theirs handed on a silver platter with a bow on top..Almost on a daily basis.. Some wont take it...some do...heck, Some of these guys would probably never even remotely consider cheating unless it was dropped in their lap..(cheesecake)... Now, most of the other guys would have a hard time scoring, even if there were no encumbrances...There is no temptation...It doesnt exist...So, those guys look like "good guys" only because they cant play in the game.. I dont know if that makes it any clearer or not...but*shrug* TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) We're all aware of the social experiments of the guy asking so many women/the gal asking the men. You wont make me link it right? I'm aware of that. Women aren't as into casual sex as men *stunning.* Like people have said elsewhere on ls, men can change that by being more selective about who they want to bang. Edited September 16, 2014 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Back in the caveman days, the better looking guys got the best looking women. When civilization was created, the smarter ones grabbed power. Hence why richer men were able to arrange marriages with women that otherwise wasn't attracted to them. Trust me, if most men had their way, they'd love to go back to those times. Especially the high school guys who lost the "hotter" women to the atheletes. No hot woman is going to go out with a balding, overweight beer drinker unless his personality was out of this world. The truth has been spoken If that's what men want, they are very, very silly. It'll mean average dude will get even less sex now. Because we are usually monogamous in this society, average men have a better chance of getting a mate. If we go back to the old times, the Tom Bradys of the world, the Bill Gates of the world would hog a relatively high number of women. Most people are average looking. Therefore the amount of effort one puts into their appearance is going to often make the difference between someone being attractive vs. being average or unattractive. People who spend a lot of time, effort and money on their looks on average are going to be more superficial than those that spend a lot of time, effort and money on more meaningful things. Therefore the percentage of superficial (i.e. not looking for a meaningful relationship) men will be disproportionately greater amongst attractive men (i.e. the men that spend a lot of time, effort and money on their looks) than amongst average or unattractive men (i.e. the men that spend their time, effort and money on more meaningful things). Same goes for women. This doesn't make them evil, just superficial. In my experience, men just don't care about what they look like, they care about what the woman looks like. This is coming from a female who gets hit on a lot by elderly, often wrinkled and pot bellied men. In my experience, it's actually unattractive men who are more hung up on dating someone hot. No, you're wrong. I've been cheated on and left by average looking men. One of them used hookers. I've experienced unattractive men cheating first hand. I've actually btdt. I guess my problem is, I'm trying to act like ls functions like the real world. I also don't subscribe to the pity party of average or unattractive men on ls. They have options they just won't take them. The problem here is this. It's not that men lack options(though there are those who don't have ANY) it's like women, they lack options that they want. But still, in the eyes of man, 1 or 2 options they got that are repulsive to them is crappier than 10 hot options that their better looking, more charismatic friend got. Whether or not we want to admit, the issue is we both want very attractive options, but some people will always have the physical disadvantage than others. If Brad Pitt could date every girl he saw, most girls would date him, no questions asked. Same with if every man could date Christina Aguilera. (woo she's gorgeous) We all want hot options, and the hotter a guy or girl is, the more she is "excused" in the dating scene. That is just the way it is. Those who aren't as hot have to work harder to get noticed. Ok, so average guy does have options, but like many others doesn't want to take the options available to them. We may be getting somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Because it's the only way for guys like me to compete with them A good looking guy who's funny nice and a good overall person I have no shot against lol That's what I'm thinking.What if women find out that there are plenty of attractive men who are generally wonderful people? That could be hard for average guy to compete with. And what if women say, "Well, if an unattractive guy is gonna be jerk, and the hot guy is a jerk, why don't i date the one I'm more attracted to?" Link to post Share on other sites
Cristo Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 That's what I'm thinking.What if women find out that there are plenty of attractive men who are generally wonderful people? That could be hard for average guy to compete with. And what if women say, "Well, if an unattractive guy is gonna be jerk, and the hot guy is a jerk, why don't i date the one I'm more attracted to?" I know plenty of good-looking guys that are also good guys. They tend to get taken off the market pretty quickly though. Generally, the good-looking guys that are still on the market are players. Link to post Share on other sites
PJKino Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 That's what I'm thinking.What if women find out that there are plenty of attractive men who are generally wonderful people? That could be hard for average guy to compete with. And what if women say, "Well, if an unattractive guy is gonna be jerk, and the hot guy is a jerk, why don't i date the one I'm more attracted to?" That's what I'm saying lol but not all women can get really good looking men regardless of how many people tell them they're pretty on a Facebook pic lol 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 That's what I'm saying lol but not all women can get really good looking men regardless of how many people tell them they're pretty on a Facebook pic lol Well, no, because good looking men are relatively rare. Unless we went to polyamory/polygyny. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Only a fraction of guys will go that dirtbag route you are talking about...Put them at the bottom of the bell curve.. By pointing out fringe scenarios??, honestly I dont really know what the direction of the thread is??? TFY I thought about, and I realized many men even good looking ones use those dirtbag routes. Undersexed average guys on ls aren't getting sex because the options they have are beneath them. Yet, many hot guys will use those options instead of complain they can't get nsa sex. I think less attractive guys have more to prove. Btw, I met my exes on pof and yahoo personals. There is nothing fringe about meeting people in any of those places nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites
Author hotpotato Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 I wouldn't consider most of those places options to meet men, but I suppose it would work if they're just looking for sex. If they're looking for more, then the back pages wouldn't work. I know someone who used Craigslist for dating, when she was polyamorous, and she met some good men through CL, but that was some years back, and the point wasn't to get married and have children. None of them were morally bankrupt, that I can recall. Well, yes, I thought that's what we were talking about! Link to post Share on other sites
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