MidwestUSA Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I got mine 100% for myself. I was married, but we were on the way out. During the four years it took to finally part ways, I sure the hell wasn't looking to attract attention. Fourteen years later, I don't regret it. At all. I don't flaunt them, I don't advertise them. I've dated guys and parted ways without them ever knowing they weren't 100% real. My preference. My choice. (Plus I got a discount on them! Who can pass up a bargain?) 6 Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Haha, yeah its a Catch-22, women can claim its to "improve her self-esteem amongst her girl-friends" which is pretty insecure. But it also comes with the benefit of getting more male attention if she is single. I mean, come on, is a guy not going to notice giant hard balloons sticking out of her shirt? She can blame guys for being superficial, but its her own damn fault for getting the implants. Its either insecurity or a complete stupidity for her not to realize that getting implants will change how "woman AND men perceive her" whether its good or bad. If she doesn't want the male attention, then become a nun. Either way, it seems that women who get implants have some screws loose, either its extreme insecurity or lack of self-confidence, or a desire for more attention from men. If she wants men to "like her mind" then she shouldn't have gotten the implants, because she seemed to "have a mind" when she was flat-chested and guys didn't give her attention then. Anyways, its best to be cautious around girls with implants. They can be airheads or crazy. Not necessarily the type of girls to marry or bring home to mom. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I got mine 100% for myself. I was married, but we were on the way out. During the four years it took to finally part ways, I sure the hell wasn't looking to attract attention. Fourteen years later, I don't regret it. At all. I don't flaunt them, I don't advertise them. I've dated guys and parted ways without them ever knowing they weren't 100% real. My preference. My choice. (Plus I got a discount on them! Who can pass up a bargain?) Yeah, a lot of women get implants after the divorce because they no longer feel desired by a man, or physically attractive to a man. Its a big confidence booster to feel that a man or an ex-husband will begin to sexually desire you again. Congratulations on the implants! Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 You're confusing the desire to feel attractive with the desire to attract. There is a difference. We're social animals. We want to feel wanted or needed by others. Altering our appearance to suit that primal desire is quite natural. There may be an evolutionary basis for women feeling a stronger affinity for that type of behaviour, but men can be just the same. Actively seeking a partner is a different pursuit in which simply feeling attractive helps immensely with self-confidence. Well, there is a lot of "social behavior expectations" There are women getting "Butt Implants" for whatever reason, but probably because there are certain men that like women with big butts instead of big breasts. So in essence, "feeling desirable" and "attracting a boyfriend" are 2 of the same things that lead down the same path towards eventually dating/marriage/sex. A woman wants to be a "Sexual Tease" for men or to arouse jealousy from her girl-friends. Either way, the implants are meant to create a reaction from other people. You can't honestly say you are "doing it for yourself" (in isolation of society) when the purpose is the increase compliments or positive social interactions with women and men. If you lived in isolation of society (without worrying about what others thought or said of you) then there won't be a need for a cosmetic surgery. Link to post Share on other sites
jay1983 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 When I was 15 I wore wide legged jeans and had highlights in my hair. When people would ask me why, I would say I liked it myself and I probably believed that on some level. The real reason I did that was to attract girls. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 This does bode the question, but I had spoken with a recent female friend of mine about similar situations and she said, "Most women tend to have body image issues" as if it was a typical woman thing and not individualized. Women won't want to admit it, but society (through TV, commercials, boyfriends) are obsessed with Female beauty and superficiality. There is this ingrained idea and expectation to "become a mother, get married, or attract a husband" There are very few "professional women" rolemodels and as a whole, the media/society is more obsessed with promoting Female models and actresses, than they are telling women to go to school and become CEO's. If women didn't care about superficiality, then the Fashion Industry would cease to exist. Women face enormous societal pressure and expectations to have the "perfect body, to be skinny, to have big breasts, etc." It sucks that the media and commercials have warped female minds. The media is also now pushing more male grooming products and surgery. So women need to turn off the TV and start blaming "advertising agencies" for their insecurities. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jay1983 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I got mine 100% for myself. I was married, but we were on the way out. During the four years it took to finally part ways, I sure the hell wasn't looking to attract attention. Fourteen years later, I don't regret it. At all. I don't flaunt them, I don't advertise them. I've dated guys and parted ways without them ever knowing they weren't 100% real. My preference. My choice. (Plus I got a discount on them! Who can pass up a bargain?) How big were you before and after? Link to post Share on other sites
Got it Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I can understand loosing weight for the purposes of health and doing it for YOURSELF, but a boob job isn't health related, it's completely aesthetic. I would that men checking out her new knockers is hardly a minor side effect and actually the woman having done it considers it a BONUS that she's getting more attention from men. I think women use the "I did the boob job for myself" line only because they may be ashamed to admit that such bonus would exist for them. Esp. if you're prancing around in low-cut blouses, that's evidence that she's indeed purposely wanting attention. Why do you think a women's physical appearance and any desires towards it for her is tied solely and entirely towards what men will think? You realize that women really don't care and yes will do these things because they will find that it makes the way they look more pleasing for themselves. How clothes fit, etc. and none of it has to do with the added interest in the opposite sex. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Got it Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Women won't want to admit it, but society (through TV, commercials, boyfriends) are obsessed with Female beauty and superficiality. There is this ingrained idea and expectation to "become a mother, get married, or attract a husband" There are very few "professional women" rolemodels and as a whole, the media/society is more obsessed with promoting Female models and actresses, than they are telling women to go to school and become CEO's. If women didn't care about superficiality, then the Fashion Industry would cease to exist. Women face enormous societal pressure and expectations to have the "perfect body, to be skinny, to have big breasts, etc." It sucks that the media and commercials have warped female minds. The media is also now pushing more male grooming products and surgery. So women need to turn off the TV and start blaming "advertising agencies" for their insecurities. Great points! "Lean In" speaks heavily to this. And we are seeing this impact on self esteem on males now as well. The clothing, make up/health market has jumped in sales and products geared to men over the past decade and we are seeing more things addressed to men on what they should do for grooming, self care, etc. Tied to it, we are seeing more males with self image, eating disorders, etc. that used to be seen primarily in the female population especially in younger generations. I think in a few decades we will see almost an equal emphasis on men as women and the negative outcomes from it. Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I got mine 100% for myself. I was married, but we were on the way out. During the four years it took to finally part ways, I sure the hell wasn't looking to attract attention. Fourteen years later, I don't regret it. At all. I don't flaunt them, I don't advertise them. I've dated guys and parted ways without them ever knowing they weren't 100% real. My preference. My choice. (Plus I got a discount on them! Who can pass up a bargain?) This is the key(bolded) It all depends on how they carry themselves...If they never wore tight low cut t-shirts before the boob job, and now they do....well....they didnt really only do it for themselves...matters not what they claim.. Its no different for guys...I have 19"+ arms....I dont wear tank tops or tight t-shirts..ever....If I did then everyone would be thinking the only reason I work out is for the attention.. TFY 1 Link to post Share on other sites
OwMyEyeball Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Well, there is a lot of "social behavior expectations" There are women getting "Butt Implants" for whatever reason, but probably because there are certain men that like women with big butts instead of big breasts. So in essence, "feeling desirable" and "attracting a boyfriend" are 2 of the same things that lead down the same path towards eventually dating/marriage/sex. A woman wants to be a "Sexual Tease" for men or to arouse jealousy from her girl-friends. Either way, the implants are meant to create a reaction from other people. You can't honestly say you are "doing it for yourself" (in isolation of society) when the purpose is the increase compliments or positive social interactions with women and men. If you lived in isolation of society (without worrying about what others thought or said of you) then there won't be a need for a cosmetic surgery. On what basis are you presuming that all women who seek out cosmetic surgery are doing so to sexually objectify themselves and arouse jealousy in other women? I agree that for some, if not many, the intention is to get direct attention from other men and women. What about for those who do so to simply feel attractive or complete without flaunting their wares? Or is your assertion that these women do not exist? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 It all depends on how they carry themselves...If they never wore tight low cut t-shirts before the boob job, and now they do....well....they didnt really only do it for themselves...matters not what they claim.. A woman with a flat chest might not wear low cut because it draws attention to an area she considers a flaw. She might actively avoid this normal style for years because she doesn't want to call attention to her "flaw". After enhancement, she might simply feel "normal" and be able to wear the normal range of necklines other women enjoy with comfort. Also, as a tiny woman (tiny all around), I know that a low-cut neckline on me can gap and show everything. With larger breasts to "fill out" the top, only the cleavage shows---not everything. So even though I wear tiny bikini tops and have no issue with my body, I avoid low cut tops so that I am not exposing myself Women's clothing is complicated! 3 Link to post Share on other sites
OwMyEyeball Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Women won't want to admit it, but society (through TV, commercials, boyfriends) are obsessed with Female beauty and superficiality. Many women very openly admit and understand this. I would say the majority of women I know, if not all of them, are keenly aware of this obsession. There is this ingrained idea and expectation to "become a mother, get married, or attract a husband" That's not an idea, it's an instinct that reaches down to our primal beings. If women didn't attract a mate or give birth the human species would die out. There are very few "professional women" role models and as a whole, the media/society is more obsessed with promoting Female models and actresses, than they are telling women to go to school and become CEO's. If women didn't care about superficiality, then the Fashion Industry would cease to exist. Women face enormous societal pressure and expectations to have the "perfect body, to be skinny, to have big breasts, etc." And if people didn't care about food the agriculture industry would cease to exist. Show me a society where superficiality is entirely absent. It sucks that the media and commercials have warped female minds. The media is also now pushing more male grooming products and surgery. So women need to turn off the TV and start blaming "advertising agencies" for their insecurities. Agree on that. They're not creating the desires, only leveraging them to the hilt to maximize demand for their products. Link to post Share on other sites
Maleficent Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'm curious though. Other than wearing a shirt that's three sizes larger... Exactly how are we supposed to 'not flaunt' them? I mean, they're there! lol Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 A woman with a flat chest might not wear low cut because it draws attention to an area she considers a flaw. She might actively avoid this normal style for years because she doesn't want to call attention to her "flaw". After enhancement, she might simply feel "normal" and be able to wear the normal range of necklines other women enjoy with comfort. Also, as a tiny woman (tiny all around), I know that a low-cut neckline on me can gap and show everything. With larger breasts to "fill out" the top, only the cleavage shows---not everything. So even though I wear tiny bikini tops and have no issue with my body, I avoid low cut tops so that I am not exposing myself Women's clothing is complicated! Fair enough.... I think tasteful clothing that made her look more "chesty" after surgery is fine...But too often you see one of two things, that reek of attention whoring... - They get enormous implants that look disproportionate to their frame.. - They wear tight fitting low cut tops practically all the time with deep v necks and such... The area I live in is boob job ground zero...they are as common here as feet.. Anyway, I have no issue and feel its a womans right to do as she wishes if it makes her feel better...That being said(and this refers to the attention whores only)...I am not impressed by bodyparts you can buy in a store...I mean how might a woman feel if a guy said he had a 9" dick- got the woman excited, only to find out its an extension... Regardless of breast size, I have WAY more respect to the woman that has a great body that she forged by busting her ass in a gym and passing on the pizza and Mallomars.. TFY 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Got it Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'm curious though. Other than wearing a shirt that's three sizes larger... Exactly how are we supposed to 'not flaunt' them? I mean, they're there! lol Come on, don't you know if you aren't in a burka or potato bag then you are "flaunting" it. Same stupid argument as "you know you want it". 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Why do you think a women's physical appearance and any desires towards it for her is tied solely and entirely towards what men will think? You realize that women really don't care and yes will do these things because they will find that it makes the way they look more pleasing for themselves. How clothes fit, etc. and none of it has to do with the added interest in the opposite sex. Again, these women are either "extremely naive" or just stupid not to comprehend that Implants will provoke a reaction from the men around her. She might even get some cat-calls depending on a low-cut outfit. Big Implants are seen as a "sexual product" whether the woman wants to feel "self-love" in the mirror, or to arouse jealousy from other women, or to attract compliments from men. There is no denying that "Big Implants" are "Sexual Products" that will arouse the attention from men and women in all circumstances and situations. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
acrosstheuniverse Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I have a friend who had breast implants done after the birth of her kids and subsequent breastfeeding left her with really saggy, small breasts. She was very happily married and just wanted to do it for herself, and for the benefit of her husband. The only reason they're not together now is because he died last year. She had the implants put in about fifteen years ago so it definitely wasn't to attract other men; it was for her and her partner to enjoy. Good for her. I guess you could turn it around and say it was to attract her husband but they were already great together, and she was already a stunning woman with a killer figure, a beautiful face, perfect white teeth, long thick wavy brunette hair and petite to boot (about 5ft tall). Trust me, she didn't need any help attracting anybody lol. Lots of women have breast implants done that are subtle, say they take her from an AA to a size C. The reason you're not taking these into account is because you probably don't even notice she's had implants, and if they're just to make her feel better, more womanly, to fill clothes out better, then she's probably not wearing low cut tops every day or asking guys to feel them at parties to see how they feel. Not everybody goes to a super size but again, you don't notice those women. I'm sure some women do get them because they enjoy the sexual attention of men, but that doesn't mean that's all women. I know women who have had reconstruction following a mastectomy. Women whose breasts were deflated through kids, or women who lost a tonne of weight and were left with breasts they didn't like. Every person who gets implants gets them for their own personal reason, whatever you think of that. Personally I'd never get them based on things as they are now but I've been blessed genetically with decent ones to begin with. If I'd been born with AAA cups, or J cups (reduction is a breast modification surgery too), or they were unevenly shaped/sized and it was destroying my confidence every time I got naked with a new partner and inhibiting my enjoyment of sex with somebody I love, I wouldn't be against it. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 What about for those who do so to simply feel attractive or complete without flaunting their wares? Or is your assertion that these women do not exist? Is this something like "Teasing" - she doesn't want cat-calls but to feel 'desired' by men or to feel good Maybe its just too insular-focused, but a woman might not realize, understand, or comprehend that when "Men see Big Boobs, they are going to be sexually aroused" As I said, "breast implants" are a "sexual product" and a woman might get them so she can feel sexy looking in the mirror. But the breast implants will "provoke a reaction" from the men and women in society, whether intended or un-intended. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
No Limit Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Breast enhancement can help people whose self-esteem suffers, but most of the time people actually promise themselves too much just because they see oh so happy VIPs smirking into the camera with fake faces and fake breasts. If you take the time to google however, you will see how many women suffer from depressions after the operation and how many regret it and wish they could turn back the clock... I'm still a bit concerned by this since my mother is trying to push me for becoming a plastic surgeon; but I don't know if I can stand the sight of desperate people even more confused after the operation than before, and all I can say is "Go to a therapist, the depressions should be gone in a matter of months. If not I can remove the implants and except for scars and perhaps minor abnormalities everything will be just as before." and then continue to suck money out of their pockets... Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 What about for those who do so to simply feel attractive or complete without flaunting their wares? Or is your assertion that these women do not exist? Precisely. Because only the men they are with see them, it's assumed that they don't exist. Lots of people think that implants equal massive hard balloons on your chest that are exposed in a cleavage. The fact that at least as many women walk around with 'normal' looking breasts covered up when they are in fact implants, doesn't even compute. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
SummerDreams Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Since some of you are saying that it's normal for humans to want the attraction from other people, I honestly have no good or bad opinion about what someone does with their body, they can put on 3 noses and 5 ears and I'll be cool with that. What makes me sad is that there are people in hospitals who are really sick and they must have surgeries and I'm sure they'd give 10 years of their lives just to go out for a walk, not worrying about sickness or death possibility or surgeries. It's an offense towards these people who suffer to put yourself through a surgery volunteerily just for aesthetic reasons. That's my opinion, it may be extreme but I've been in hospitals and I've seen a lot. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Since some of you are saying that it's normal for humans to want the attraction from other people, I honestly have no good or bad opinion about what someone does with their body, they can put on 3 noses and 5 ears and I'll be cool with that. What makes me sad is that there are people in hospitals who are really sick and they must have surgeries and I'm sure they'd give 10 years of their lives just to go out for a walk, not worrying about sickness or death possibility or surgeries. It's an offense towards these people who suffer to put yourself through a surgery volunteerily just for aesthetic reasons. That's my opinion, it may be extreme but I've been in hospitals and I've seen a lot. Really? How does that work? If one person is dying of cancer, should we all put our lives on hold? What difference would everyone's misery make for that sick person? Should we just all stay at home and cry? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
SummerDreams Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Really? How does that work? If one person is dying of cancer, should we all put our lives on hold? What difference would everyone's misery make for that sick person? Should we just all stay at home and cry? YOu don't get it, it's ok. Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I found out Friday that my dad has colon cancer. Sackcloth and ashes for everybody. He needs the laugh. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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