Michelle ma Belle Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Hm, were you kind of built like London Andrews? Not even close. Although I think she's a very beautiful woman (have no idea who she is however) I was NOT plus size which is what made it all the more challenging. Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Based on that concern you should be lobbying your government to cover breast reductions for all C+ sized women out there who may dare to be objectified by the rampant hordes of hyper-sexualized men who are incapable of basic human decency. No. But thanks for the strawman. Maybe I'll fashion him into a hat. Do you have proof of that or is this more wild speculation? Hide yo kids, hide yo wife! Weren't you just saying that most men are conditioned by society to do XYZ? Wouldn't it be prudent to then believe that they, or at least their progeny, could be reconditioned? What about the naturals? Should they just stay at home with a shotgun under their pillow to protect them from all them rapists just rarin' for a good rape? I don't know if you are serious or blindly naive. Are you saying that society, men, and the media don't sexualize women with large breasts? Have you seen the show modern family and sofia vergara? She's not on the show for her acting skills. If you want to try to re-condition men, re-condition the media, and re-condition advertising agencies then be my guest. You should also try re-conditioning other women, because its often the other women who are cruelest to "small breasted" or "big breasted" girls just out of meanness, jealousy, or boredom. When a girl gets implants for herself - is she just saying she doesn't want her girl-friends to ridicule her anymore? Does she want to be better liked by her friends? There's a cruelty and meanness that girls act towards another. Men aren't as mean to other men about body issues. Naturally big breasted women deal with the cat-calls all their life. The girls with Big Implants may be surprised and un-aware at the "unwanted male attention." If you really doubt that "men lust over big fake boobs" then buy a copy a playboy or view pictures of the most popular porn stars. They all have big fake boobs and a lot of men who have seen playboys will assume women with big fake boobs are sexually promiscous. Link to post Share on other sites
Phoe Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Naturally big breasted women deal with the cat-calls all their life. Mine are D's but I don't have this issue. I wear a good supportive bra, and keep them covered. I never get lewd or inappropriate remarks or catcalls. I'd prefer smaller ones just for comfort reasons, but large ones never caused me any grief. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Phoe Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I was "blessed" with big boobs. I blossomed very young which caused a lot of problems for me because I was still a child trapped in a woman's body. I received a LOT of attention for the way I looked my whole life to the point where I became VERY self conscious about my chest. The guys would gawk and relentlessly tease while the girls behaved cruelly out of jealousy or envy I can only assume. I had no idea how to win at this and it took a toll on my self image and esteem. Actually, seeing this post made me rethink my previous statement. While I have never been gawked at or given innapropriate attention from men over my breasts, I did get some nastiness from girls when I first developed. My boobs popped up when I was a 5th grader. Rumors went around that I was stuffing. A girl came up to me at lunch one time and said "everyone knows that's just toilet paper in there". By 8th grade they were c cups. Rumors started by girls got worse by the time I entered high school. Rumors that I was a slut and slept with 7 guys. Truth was I'd never even been kissed. Guys seemed scared off, people avoided me. I transferred to a new school, was sick of the bullying, and got a fresh start. Everyone was kind at my new school and I never had problems with my breasts again after that Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I'm going to weigh in and swing this discussion WAY over to the other side. I was "blessed" with big boobs. I blossomed very young which caused a lot of problems for me because I was still a child trapped in a woman's body. I received a LOT of attention for the way I looked my whole life to the point where I became VERY self conscious about my chest. The guys would gawk and relentlessly tease while the girls behaved cruelly out of jealousy or envy I can only assume. I had no idea how to win at this and it took a toll on my self image and esteem. I was also very athletic BUT there came a point when my boobs got in the way so much I used to bandage them up just so I could out perform the girls and most of the guys. Eventually I learned to HATE my breasts. Honestly. I felt like no one ever took serious noticed ME and only noticed my boobs. After years of dealing with this I eventually decided on a breast reduction. It was a very hard decision to make because of the risks including the fact that I would never be able to breastfeed a child. I weighed all the pros and cons and opted for the surgery when I turned 20. I can't even begin to tell you how the surgery changed my life! For the first time in my life I felt "normal" and no longer looked like some over inflated blow-up doll. It was the absolute BEST decision I ever made and I would do it all again. So the moral of the story is that we ALL can find some fault in our appearances. Too big, too small, too tall, too short, too fat, too skinny, whatever. People can be insensitive. Society can be cruel. And as much as we say we're not affected, that we can rise above it all, it's hard. Very hard. You got a reduction because you felt that your breasts were giving you too much negative attention?! You should have learned to be proud of your body and use your assets to your advantage. Going through surgery is such an extreme reaction. Link to post Share on other sites
OwMyEyeball Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I don't know if you are serious or blindly naive. Are you saying that society, men, and the media don't sexualize women with large breasts? Have you seen the show modern family and sofia vergara? She's not on the show for her acting skills. If you want to try to re-condition men, re-condition the media, and re-condition advertising agencies then be my guest. You should also try re-conditioning other women, because its often the other women who are cruelest to "small breasted" or "big breasted" girls just out of meanness, jealousy, or boredom. When a girl gets implants for herself - is she just saying she doesn't want her girl-friends to ridicule her anymore? Does she want to be better liked by her friends? There's a cruelty and meanness that girls act towards another. Men aren't as mean to other men about body issues. Naturally big breasted women deal with the cat-calls all their life. The girls with Big Implants may be surprised and un-aware at the "unwanted male attention." If you really doubt that "men lust over big fake boobs" then buy a copy a playboy or view pictures of the most popular porn stars. They all have big fake boobs and a lot of men who have seen playboys will assume women with big fake boobs are sexually promiscous. You're the one even watching these shows that I've barely even heard of, drowning yourself in the culture that I avoid and most of the world barely notices. We're not all American. And even those who are don't follow the dominant culture you feel defines everyone's reality or conception of it. Men like big boobs. Yes, I'm aware of that. It didn't take social conditioning to build that preference into any of them, myself included. Going way back to the original point - whether all women choose breast augmentation for reasons other than male attention - you have yet to provide an argument that contradicts the earlier assertion that some women choose to do so for largely personal reasons, outside of a desire for male attention. Look up double mastectomy on a Google images search. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Michelle ma Belle Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 You got a reduction because you felt that your breasts were giving you too much negative attention?! You should have learned to be proud of your body and use your assets to your advantage. Going through surgery is such an extreme reaction. It wasn't a "reaction" like some kind of juvenile knee-jerk reaction where I woke up one morning and decided "OFF WITH MY BREASTS!". It was a VERY calculated, well thought out and necessary decision. Besides the unwanted attention and obstacles they posed, having large breasts on a small frame presented it's own set of health issues like back aches and neck and shoulder strains etc. It was not comfortable. And as far as being proud of my body and my assets, I am! Despite my breast reduction, I am still a busty woman who's fully mastered the art of using my assets to my advantage 5 Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 It wasn't a "reaction" like some kind of juvenile knee-jerk reaction where I woke up one morning and decided "OFF WITH MY BREASTS!". It was a VERY calculated, well thought out and necessary decision. Besides the unwanted attention and obstacles they posed, having large breasts on a small frame presented it's own set of health issues like back aches and neck and shoulder strains etc. It was not comfortable. And as far as being proud of my body and my assets, I am! Despite my breast reduction, I am still a busty woman who's fully mastered the art of using my assets to my advantage 20 is so young to make a decision like that. I did not consider the aspect of pain and that it would simply be uncomfortable to have large breasts. I'm not a woman so I could never understand. Since you're obviously happy now, it was the right decision for you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 You got a reduction because you felt that your breasts were giving you too much negative attention?! You should have learned to be proud of your body and use your assets to your advantage. Going through surgery is such an extreme reaction. It's not been extreme for any of the people I've assisted with reductions. It was a very necessary procedure to enhance quality of like and allow them to do the most basic of ADLs. It it one of the nastier surgeries I've been in on; I think the largest reduction I've seen was one kilo off each side. Not every woman with big boobs looks like your favorite models you've posted here. And guess what? Those models won't look the same in twenty years, maybe even ten. Photo Set 3 Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 It's not been extreme for any of the people I've assisted with reductions. It was a very necessary procedure to enhance quality of like and allow them to do the most basic of ADLs. It it one of the nastier surgeries I've been in on; I think the largest reduction I've seen was one kilo off each side. Not every woman with big boobs looks like your favorite models you've posted here. And guess what? Those models won't look the same in twenty years, maybe even ten. Photo Set The only thing that looks odd with the before picture was that her nipples pointed down. I didn't see any reason why she would need a reduction. Of course I don't understand how large breasts can affect quality of life. All I know is that I liken them big. Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 The only thing that looks odd with the before picture was that her nipples pointed down. I didn't see any reason why she would need a reduction. Of course I don't understand how large breasts can affect quality of life. All I know is that I liken them big. Her nipples are being DRAGGED down, as is all the rest of her breast tissue. Find a pair and learn how to give darned good massages. Back, neck, shoulders, hips, feet. And she'll probably need some help applying the cream underneath for persistent fungal infections. To each his own, I suppose. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
SummerDreams Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I did not consider the aspect of pain and that it would simply be uncomfortable to have large breasts. I'm not a woman so I could never understand.. Do that: take a plastic bag and put 5kgs of oranges inside. Then wrap it around your neck from the front side and stay like this, doing the things you normally do, for one day. Then come here and tell us the results. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Candy_Pants Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Do that: take a plastic bag and put 5kgs of oranges inside. Then wrap it around your neck from the front side and stay like this, doing the things you normally do, for one day. Then come here and tell us the results. Don't forget about hormonal changes, soreness, engorgement (going through this myself), etc..... I love my body. I think it's incredible, and no, I don't mean to look at. But I can see why having smaller breasts could be a good thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
HeartbrokenNewbie Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 A woman with a flat chest might not wear low cut because it draws attention to an area she considers a flaw. She might actively avoid this normal style for years because she doesn't want to call attention to her "flaw". After enhancement, she might simply feel "normal" and be able to wear the normal range of necklines other women enjoy with comfort. Also, as a tiny woman (tiny all around), I know that a low-cut neckline on me can gap and show everything. With larger breasts to "fill out" the top, only the cleavage shows---not everything. So even though I wear tiny bikini tops and have no issue with my body, I avoid low cut tops so that I am not exposing myself Women's clothing is complicated! Took the words right out my mouth. I never wore strappy tops before because I didn't have anything to fill them out with.. The straps would hang below my nipples! x Link to post Share on other sites
guest569 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 But I think its dangerous and delusional for a woman who wants a C or D cup to not understand that their are A LOT, dare I say MOST, men who will view her as a "sexual object" and physically attractive and won't literally see past her boobs. ... There are also a lot of men or rapists, that will mistake a girl with big implants for being a "slutty" girl who wants to be a pornstar/stripper who seeks out male attention. You're not going to change society, Men are going to objectify and get aroused by big fake implants!!! Ok, so I have natural Ds. Never been mistaken for a pornstar. I doubt rapists give a rats about whether a woman's breasts a real or fake. Seriously? Why even go there? You sound like a predator and again I get the "women are asking for rape" vibe simply for having breasts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author irc333 Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 The one I posted about, ironicall, I met at a pool party event through a Facebook party invite. A lot of people were there, but she was the only one prancing around in a string bikini when sh first arrived, other women (unless they were actually in the pool/water) were covered (shirts/clothes over their swimsuits) when they were socializing. You may think, "Well, of course she was in a bikini, she needs a swimsuit to get in the water." She was one of those types that never go in the water, even if she's wearing a bikini. lol. I think she said she didn't want her hair messed up by getting it wet or something. So while I and others tried to enjoy ourselves in the pool...not giving a rats arse how we looked playing pool volley ball, she was just sitting on the side lines "looking pretty." She would always be saying, "Sheesh, I feel so naked in this thing." She'd make attention making remarks in regards to how "skimpy" her outfit looks, like she has everyone checking her out or something. I'm like "um, yeaaah!" I think she was some how trying to draw attention to herselves with those remarks. Typically there are those personality types that love being the center of attention and if you're of that personality type, why not take it up notch with getting implants, right? Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestUSA Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Well, her attention whoring ways worked. She certainly seems to have grabbed yours. ETA obligatory lol. lol 4 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 You got a reduction because you felt that your breasts were giving you too much negative attention?! You should have learned to be proud of your body and use your assets to your advantage. Going through surgery is such an extreme reaction. Would you have the same responds to a woman who got implants to move from an a cup to a c cup? 6 Link to post Share on other sites
dichotomy Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) A woman I went out with a couple of times said she had breast implants (she's in her mid 40s). Her story behind getting them was mainly due to low self esteem. She was flat chested and over time that was a problem for her. Apparently co-workers had kind of made fun of her for said flat chest. She got fed up and got some knockers implanted. The only problem though, she complained of men always being attracted to her for those reasons when she really got them "for herself." I wasn't really buying into it, but of course that may be one of the reasons, but if you get a set of boobs that big...how is a guy not going to be liking them? I think with it came a curse of men being attracted to her now for bigger breasts, but she only did it for herself. I'm not entirely convinced that women who get breasts enlargements don't really do it 100% for themselves, she has to be doing it in order to attract men to a CERTAIN extent, right? I think you are over analyzing this. I have had plastic surgeries, and I am a guy. Most of the surgeries were medical/corrective based related, one however was minor vanity "add on" since I was getting corrective PS anyway. Of course I did not feel attractive and wanted the corrections, but in my mind I did not have the PS to really get positive notice and attention from women (or men I guess).... but really just to avoid negative notice or attention. I was seeking a neutral, you look normal state, if that makes sense. I suspect if your gal was really being picked on because of her chest before hand - she simply wanted to be left alone and reach a neutral place...and now if she is getting cat calls the other way - its not a good thing. Not to say some don't get plastic surgery for attention, since many do....but I suspect many (someone mentioned breast cancer as a good example) it is about just wanting to feel normal and whole ...and not get noticed - just have a "normal" pleasant appearance. I get that totally. My body my choices. Edited September 26, 2014 by dichotomy 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Got it Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Again, women seem incredibly naive or stupid about most men's intentions, and really the potential for rape in certain situations. Is it safe for a woman get drunk and walk down dark alleys at 3 am? I think its more frightening that you don't "comprehend or realize" that there are unscrupulous men that will leer and view women with big boobs as sexual objects. That is my point entirely. That is not sexist, if anything it says that men can be pigs or rapists. If a woman gets "Big Implants" she WILL RECEIVE A LOT OF ATTENTION FROM MEN if she wants it or not. Its just a side effect of having large breasts. Also, you can blame the media for "sexualizing breasts" - but I think everyone here can acknowledge that breasts are "sexual objects" just like a male penis is a "sexual object" Breasts cannot be shown on TV and is considered "NUDITY" in most countries. Legs can be shown on TV. I think I have explained the you the difference in human anatomy and what is considered a sexual organ by the FCC censors. If boobs can be shown on TV, then janet jackson wouldn't have been fined a ton of money. Then instead of focusing pages on breasts maybe threads should be started and discussed with men learning to respect women as other beings and not sexual objects there for their whim. Sounds like a far better culture anyway. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Got it Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 How many people on this thread actually have any first hand knowledge of breast surgery? I am surprised by the number of people waxing expert on it without any knowledge. Nor do I see the big deal. My sister decided to go up in size, surgery wasn't a major deal (had her nose done as well maybe that was for sexual product as well? ) and the nose had more issues than the breast surgery in regards to recovery. I see it no different than any other cosmetic surgery, tattoo, piercing, etc. You want it, can afford it, go crazy. This "loving yourself" is ridiculous. We change pieces about ourselves all the time. Link to post Share on other sites
StanMusial Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Vanity is a powerful motivation. However. I've gone under the knife more times than I care to mention to put my arms and legs back together. Twice I had to be convinced to do it when it was obvious my arm was hosed without screws. So I'll probably never understand elective surgery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) lol You know guys online will bang anything right? A lot of average women don't understand that and let all the attention go to their head. I work around all men and have all of my life. I didn't need OLD to fill me in on some of the skeevier ones. If you are saying that smaller breasted women count as 'banging anything', then you are wrong. What I will say for sure though... is lots more guys hate plastic much more than they hate flat. Especially if the woman likes the way she was born. The plastic surgery industry doesn't tell women that nearly all breast surgeries require revision at some point... and all those surgeries create scars and the outcomes aren't all that predictable. My girlfriends who had implants claimed the quality of the guys they attracted with fake boobs were much less than the guys they attracted when they had little or none. One of them really got tired of getting hit on by low-lifes (it seems the higher quality guys had some clue hers weren't real... how many 40 somethings have perfectly perky C cups? Um, none). She got them removed, and found a super nice guy not long afterwards. Lucky for her though, she had no after effects and she didn't have them all that long. Hey, but to each his/her own. Like I said. I think the best guys probably aren't that keen on plastic and have their doubts about how secure the woman is. I don't blame flat chested women or those with medical issues from getting them. Noone wants to feel like a freak or an outlier. But there is a price, and it isn't just in $$. These aren't things the plastic surgeons would share with them. I point women interested in this to RealSelf, since they get first hand advice from real women and not hype from doctors and the media. Edited September 26, 2014 by RedRobin 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 You're the one even watching these shows that I've barely even heard of, drowning yourself in the culture that I avoid and most of the world barely notices. We're not all American. And even those who are don't follow the dominant culture you feel defines everyone's reality or conception of it. Men like big boobs. Yes, I'm aware of that. It didn't take social conditioning to build that preference into any of them, myself included. Going way back to the original point - whether all women choose breast augmentation for reasons other than male attention - you have yet to provide an argument that contradicts the earlier assertion that some women choose to do so for largely personal reasons, outside of a desire for male attention. Look up double mastectomy on a Google images search. You do realize that the Modern Family show has won 4 emmy's in a row for Best Show on TV. So its about the most mainstream show on American TV right now. I've only seen a couple of episodes but if you watch Sofia, you will realize the media's obsession with promoting and hiring actresses with big breasts. Mad Men also has one actress with large breasts. As I said before, just because a woman gets implants for personal reasons, she does not live in an isolated bubble. A C or D cup WILL sexually arouse Men around her, that is a fact of human nature, not a choice that can be subdued. Perhaps women are not as "physically stimulated by naked men." I'm here to tell you that Men are very visual creatures and Men are very very very "physically stimulated by naked women and very superficial." Sexual attraction and arousal is an instinct and an emotion, it is not a choice. Are women sexually attracted to images of Brad Pitt or George Clooney? Are women sexually attracted to intelligent men like Bill Clinton and Obama? Men are sexually attracted and aroused by women with big boobs and big fake boobs. Also, as I mentioned before, don't you dare only blame men for creating a "superficial culture of breasts." Women are just as nasty and mean to each other for "flat chested women" or "big breasted women." If that flat chested women got implants because she was "insecure that her friends were making fun of her." Then that fault lies with her female friends, and not from the men that were dumping her. Blame her "insecurities" on other women being vile and perpetuating superficial body myths. Link to post Share on other sites
jcrew11 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Ok, so I have natural Ds. Never been mistaken for a pornstar. I doubt rapists give a rats about whether a woman's breasts a real or fake. Seriously? Why even go there? You sound like a predator and again I get the "women are asking for rape" vibe simply for having breasts. I don't know where this "blind invincibility" or "blind ignorance of men" comes from. Rapists will look for any reason or opportunity to rape a woman. It doesn't mean a woman has to foolishly or stupidly provide that reason in an unsafe place. But if you really want to get DD implants and walk down the street in your Bra and Panties, then more Female power to you!!! Girl Power!!! Perpetuate the superficial culture memes and female objectification. Link to post Share on other sites
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