Tayla Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 the lyric concept stands true for this topic. I'll sing it twice as loud in church now cuz they haven't taken it out of our hymnal Please pray for the people beside me...they say I sing out of tune ! (Pretty sure that isn't a sin ? ) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Tayla Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Amazing grace wouldn't be sung in most churches today because it's perceived as negative and says a person is basically worthless without God. Notice how most worship songs today have the message of...I am so special, that's why God loves me, I am so wonderful, God believes in me...yadda yadda... As proof of this, a recent remake of amazing grace took out the phrase "that saved a wretch like me" and changed it into "I hear you singing over me". Hmm... thank you for updating me M30USA, I was not aware of some of these changes. There is a statement we say " Lord I am not worthy to receive you, only say the word and I shall be healed"- For layman terms it means- I know I am of sin, yet if I come to you in sin and ask for forgiveness, I know you will heal me and make things right. " Next you'll be telling me they don't want people to humble themselves - Oy vey! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Next you'll be telling me they don't want people to humble themselves - Oy vey! That's exactly where modern Christianity is headed. And why shouldn't they? They are kingdom heirs and sons of the king; they need to claim their power. Just look at Jesus. He didn't humble himself...err, wait... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author CaliGuy Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 Anyway, my Chistian thetipast told me the biblical story of King David. He did a couple VERY BAD things. Much worse than any of us. It is a good story to teach a lesson, about hoe God forgives our sins. (And too, how we getted wrapped up in out wrong doing, and before you knoe it, if you dont face you demons, they will face you). Must have been about King David and Bathsheba?! Did the Therapist tell you what King David did exactly? If he didn't.... King David was standing on the patio of the Palace overlooking the city -- while his troops were out fighting the enemy. While there, he saw a woman taking a bath in an area of her property BUT -- King David could look down. When he saw her, he wanted her and had her brought to him. Bathsheba was married to one of David's lieutenants. David had sex with a married woman, of one of David's most respected fighters. When he returned home from battle, to get himself out of the sin he committed, he told his LT to go home and rest. His LT, being a loyal servant of David, would not leave the front doors of the Palace. When David realized this, he told his other Military leaders to put him at the front of the battle and everyone take a step back and let him be killed, which of course they did and he died. Bathsheba became pregnant and lost the first child. The next child was Solomon, the next and last greatest King of Israel. One of David's Priest brought to light the enormous SIN David had committed. David prayed and he was forgiven, but he did have a black mark (so to speak) with God in that God did not allow David to build the first Temple. That was given to his son, Solomon. I'm going off memory here, but that's pretty much the story. What it says is if you repent, your sins will be forgiven, but not necessary forgotten. God forgives and He continued to bless David over and over. However, because of this sin, David was never allowed to build the greatest Temple to God ever. If anyone else is more educated on Biblical theory, please correct me. Probably a Pastor -- I do know that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross washed way all of our sins. David wasn't around the time of Jesus (Jesus came way after) but Jesus was indeed the seed of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Noah and especially David.... Link to post Share on other sites
Author CaliGuy Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 M30USA and everyone else who has contributed so far, excellent input! M30, you are right on target with just about everything you said. Also, while this is turning into a Biblical/Christian thread, I wanted to say thank you to everyone who has kicked in their 20 cents (before it gets locked!) CG Link to post Share on other sites
Tayla Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 That's exactly where modern Christianity is headed. And why shouldn't they? They are kingdom heirs and sons of the king; they need to claim their power. Just look at Jesus. He didn't humble himself...err, wait... Wowzers....Get those people a new map! Link to post Share on other sites
Author CaliGuy Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 It's a process. When a person has finally repented of a sin, they will not go back. But there is a struggle during the process. This concept is a microcosm of life as a whole. We are currently living in a world where sin and holiness are swirled together like water and oil. There is a struggle for each of us to choose each day the direction we are headed. As you know, water and oil must separate eventually. We are living in a confusing world with much pain and struggle. It's a process. Life is a rough draft for eternity. Here we make our decisions in the midst of the confusion. You hit the nail on the head. I struggle quite often with sin. I don't want to be a bad person or sinner -- I find the actual recognition of sin, repentance and then the struggle to stop sinning is an all inclusive struggle. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Yasuandio Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Must have been about King David and Bathsheba?! Did the Therapist tell you what King David did exactly? If he didn't.... King David was standing on the patio of the Palace overlooking the city -- while his troops were out fighting the enemy. While there, he saw a woman taking a bath in an area of her property BUT -- King David could look down. When he saw her, he wanted her and had her brought to him. Bathsheba was married to one of David's lieutenants. David had sex with a married woman, of one of David's most respected fighters. When he returned home from battle, to get himself out of the sin he committed, he told his LT to go home and rest. His LT, being a loyal servant of David, would not leave the front doors of the Palace. When David realized this, he told his other Military leaders to put him at the front of the battle and everyone take a step back and let him be killed, which of course they did and he died. Bathsheba became pregnant and lost the first child. The next child was Solomon, the next and last greatest King of Israel. One of David's Priest brought to light the enormous SIN David had committed. David prayed and he was forgiven, but he did have a black mark (so to speak) with God in that God did not allow David to build the first Temple. That was given to his son, Solomon. I'm going off memory here, but that's pretty much the story. What it says is if you repent, your sins will be forgiven, but not necessary forgotten. God forgives and He continued to bless David over and over. However, because of this sin, David was never allowed to build the greatest Temple to God ever. If anyone else is more educated on Biblical theory, please correct me. Probably a Pastor -- I do know that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross washed way all of our sins. David wasn't around the time of Jesus (Jesus came way after) but Jesus was indeed the seed of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Noah and especially David.... It was at the end of the appt., before I got up the guts to tell him the bad thing I did. But he still took time to tell me the details of the first part of the story (that you have detailed above), and then told a prayer that made me feel at peace. Originally all I knew aS Dave slayed Goliath. After the husband eent to war, David lusted for Basheba, then, withhout protection. Then David had to find a way to cover his azz, so he called Basheba's husband back from the was supposedly because he had "ostenably" done such a great job, and needed a break. Her husband got home, but resisted his wife in honor of the other men that remained in the battle field fighted, and hr did not sleep with here. This presented a secondary issue for King David, and he had to come up with another idea to dissapear the evidence of his misdeed (cause I guess they didn't have abotions back then). So King David comes up with an approach that is gauenteed to elimate all his concern for good. He sends Bashibas husband to the FRONT LINES, for goodness sake! Naturally he got killed. [by this point in the story I knew what I did, and the follow up overkill to prevent any further contact with person was peanutss compared to thid David guy, and I comprehended how one unconfessed sin lead can lead too even more serious sins, I was already feeling like less tthan a monster). so, then so, subsequently, an angel, namen Nathanal, blows King David's cover, and suddenly, King David feels real guilt. Perhaps he confesses to God at this time. This is where you part of the story comes in now. Personally, I think it is pretty bad having the ladies husband killed to cover the fact you knocked her up, and I dont get why King David didn't feel bad about these things to start with. Why do you get a do over when you purposely kill someone to cover you azz? That I dont get. the bad things I did, there was some good readoning behind them. It could have been handled more tactfully, and less hurtfully, but a person gets pushed too far sometimes. I didn't kill anyone. Thanks for the rest of the story, Calguy. It makes me interested in reading the Bible. My Grandmother forced me to memorize all the of the Bible by heart, and many passages, or sayings, whatever they are called. My therapist freaked out when I recited for him. Grandma was reas REAL serious about that eduacation (the hickory stick said so). Yas Link to post Share on other sites
Author CaliGuy Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 Personally, I think it is pretty bad having the ladies husband killed to cover the fact you knocked her up, and I dont get why King David didn't feel bad about these things to start with. Why do you get a do over when you purposely kill someone to cover you azz? That I dont get. King David was apparently drunk with power and if the Pastor told you this, David was a bit of a party animal. His wive(s) would even get upset when he'd grab a lyre and start dancing and singing to the Lord. But David realized his sins and confessed which is why though he was forgiven, he was never allowed to build the temple. It's also why Moses was never actually allowed to enter the "Promised Land". He sinned as well. Not as bad as David but the results are the same. God will hold back blessings from those who sin and continue to do so. the bad things I did, there was some good readoning behind them. It could have been handled more tactfully, and less hurtfully, but a person gets pushed too far sometimes. I didn't kill anyone. The one thing people need to understand about sin is that God doesn't rank them. God views an emotional affair just as badly as He does a physical one. The reason behind this is to get your mind on the things of God, not the things of this world. Even Jesus pointed this out many times. Sin is sin, it's all bad, so repent! Thanks for the rest of the story, Calguy. It makes me interested in reading the Bible. My Grandmother forced me to memorize all the of the Bible by heart, and many passages, or sayings, whatever they are called. My therapist freaked out when I recited for him. Grandma was reas REAL serious about that eduacation (the hickory stick said so). Yas I think it's good to memorize verses because your mind will recall them quickly when you fall into places you do not want to be in (sin). I consider myself an intellectual and even I cannot quote passages as much as I would like to -- but the overall meaning of the Bible and God's word never leaves me. And just so you know, being a Christian does not mean you are perfect. It means you are forgiven and someone else paid the price for what you and I struggle with every day. Sin. Link to post Share on other sites
Yasuandio Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Therapist wasn't focused on the druck with power aspect. More the the two mistakes in a row (the second being overkill - as in my situation). Nonetheless, I felt totally bad to the core. So, I must be doing something right. Thank Calguy. Im gonna start rehursing what Grandma forced me to memorrize and figure out what the heck it all means. I bet Ive been storing a lot of knowledge and wisdom in this old memory bank that I don't even know about! Then I can call upon the knowledge when needed just like you and the therapist. Have a nice Sunday. Yas 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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