tiki Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Okay, I got an email yesterday from a religious organization asking me to rally about something...blah, blah, blah. But in the text, it had "G-d" in place of God????? What is up with this? I know I've read something about this before on LS--a very old thread. But I can't search on it here because it doesn't meet the minimum required 3 letters to search. Can someone please explain this? I've been wondering, but I REALLY started wondering when I saw that the religious organization had used it??? Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Traditional jews - and some christian groups influenced by their teachings - don't like to use the full name. This is out of respect. The idea being, that if you don't ever use the full name, then you can't ever misuse it. Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted March 9, 2005 Author Share Posted March 9, 2005 Wow, thanks. So do they say "God"? Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Originally posted by tiki Wow, thanks. My pleasure! So do they say "God"? No. They don't even write it, but they especially don't say it. If I understand correctly, this is where terms like "the Most High" and "the Lord" come from. Link to post Share on other sites
NTB Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 this is good to know..... Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 What about "Jehova"? Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted March 9, 2005 Author Share Posted March 9, 2005 Originally posted by ReluctantRomeo No. They don't even write it, but they especially don't say it. If I understand correctly, this is where terms like "the Most High" and "the Lord" come from. Okay. But isn't *Jesus* Lord? Sorry, I get a little confused on this part. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Originally posted by blind_otter What about "Jehova"? This too. Take the consonants of Y-hw-h (=the one who is, the source of life) and the vowels of Adonai (the Most High) and you get Jahovaih.... with use this becomes Jehovah. So combines 2 names for God without actually using either of them. YHWH (still no vowels, notice) is the name for God which got the most respectful treatment. To the point where high priests guarded the secret of which vowels were used.... and it got forgotten. Nobody knows what the right vowels are now. Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Originally posted by tiki Okay. But isn't *Jesus* Lord? Sorry, I get a little confused on this part. Sorry. No problem. He is Lord to christians, not to Jews. And christians don't usually get hung up on not naming God (we have other hangups lol). The confession that Jesus is Lord marked out early christians from early Jews. An early formula of faith was to "confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead". Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted March 9, 2005 Author Share Posted March 9, 2005 Originally posted by ReluctantRomeo This too. Take the consonants of Y-hw-h (=the one who is, the source of life) and the vowels of Adonai (the Most High) and you get Jahovaih.... with use this becomes Jehovah. So combines 2 names for God without actually using either of them. YHWH (still no vowels, notice) is the name for God which got the most respectful treatment. To the point where high priests guarded the secret of which vowels were used.... and it got forgotten. Nobody knows what the right vowels are now. WHOA. Awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted March 9, 2005 Author Share Posted March 9, 2005 Originally posted by ReluctantRomeo No problem. He is Lord to christians, not to Jews. And christians don't usually get hung up on not naming God (we have other hangups lol). The confession that Jesus is Lord marked out early christians from early Jews. An early formula of faith was to "confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead". Man, that clarifies a lot. Thank you so much!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Originally posted by tiki Man, that clarifies a lot. Thank you so much!!!! My pleasure Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 You find 'THE LORD' a lot in the Old Testament, before Jesus--for precisely the same reason, reverence for the word 'God.' I think it's translated from 'Adonai', instead of "Yahweh.' All the Jews I know say 'g-d' Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Originally posted by Bronzepen Your trying to make sense of God by using logic and math but God supersedes all logic and math. God breaks all rules and makes all rules. Your trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense but just is. Faith in God is believing in the unbelievable. God does not compute. I have to beg to differ. Mathematics is not the universal language fer nothin'. You can use a mathematical equation to describe color, the "randomly" different shapes of flower petals - you can use a mathematical equation to predict whether an individual with tachycardia will have a heart attack....you can use mathematical equations to describe anything! Some philosophers have ventured to guess that God is nothing more than the most elaborate super computer in the universe. Link to post Share on other sites
Bronzepen Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Originally posted by blind_otter I have to beg to differ. Mathematics is not the universal language fer nothin'. You can use a mathematical equation to describe color, the "randomly" different shapes of flower petals - you can use a mathematical equation to predict whether an individual with tachycardia will have a heart attack....you can use mathematical equations to describe anything! Some philosophers have ventured to guess that God is nothing more than the most elaborate super computer in the universe. If that's true then God is also bound to the laws of mathematics. If God is bound to some law then he/she/it is not infinite or omnipotent. Link to post Share on other sites
Author tiki Posted March 16, 2005 Author Share Posted March 16, 2005 Wow, I'm getting turned on. Link to post Share on other sites
bluetuesday Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Originally posted by Bronzepen Your trying to make sense of God by using logic and math but God supersedes all logic and math. God breaks all rules and makes all rules. Your trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense but just is. Faith in God is believing in the unbelievable. God does not compute. erm, i don't compute. if a 'rule' of being god is that god can make and break all rules, god cannot simultaneously also supersede logic and mathematics and this would be implicit in the rule that god break all rules and therefore cannot be superseded. Link to post Share on other sites
bluetuesday Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Originally posted by tiki Wow, I'm getting turned on. tiki girl, when are you not? Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Originally posted by Bronzepen If that's true then God is also bound to the laws of mathematics. If God is bound to some law then he/she/it is not infinite or omnipotent. If the laws of mathematics are infinite, then so is God....how is God being a supercomputer related to being omnipotent or infinite? Link to post Share on other sites
bluetuesday Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 tiki what happened to the cantaloupes? Link to post Share on other sites
Bronzepen Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Originally posted by blind_otter If the laws of mathematics are infinite, then so is God....how is God being a supercomputer related to being omnipotent or infinite? That's the thing. God is not bound by mathematics and can't be explained by mathematics. So God is not a supercomputer. He supersedes all forms of logic and science. He/she/it is explainable and unexplainable. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Originally posted by Bronzepen That's the thing. God is not bound by mathematics and can't be explained by mathematics. So God is not a supercomputer. He supersedes all forms of logic and science. He/she/it is explainable and unexplainable. That contradicts itself, and if God supercedes all forms of logic -- how would YOU know anyways??? You can't. It's all conjecture anyways. So stop trying to be a stick in the mud. Link to post Share on other sites
Bronzepen Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Originally posted by bluetuesday erm, i don't compute. if a 'rule' of being god is that god can make and break all rules, god cannot simultaneously also supersede logic and mathematics and this would be implicit in the rule that god break all rules and therefore cannot be superseded. No rules. Just is or isn't. God can simultaneously supersede logic and mathematics. Your trying to makes sense of something that you can never comprehend, no matter how hard you try. That's the beauty of it. Either you accept or don't accept, either way it doesn't matter because it's there or not there. God is not/is linear, multi-dimensional, logical/illogical, etc... It just is. Link to post Share on other sites
Bronzepen Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Originally posted by blind_otter That contradicts itself, and if God supercedes all forms of logic -- how would YOU know anyways??? You can't. It's all conjecture anyways. So stop trying to be a stick in the mud. That's my whole point. We don't know, so we can't explain it. When it comes to God we are all sticks in the mud. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Originally posted by Bronzepen That's my whole point. We don't know, so we can't explain it. When it comes to God we are all sticks in the mud. WTF are you talking about? We are just trying to have a conversation, which you keep trying to stop. Like the guy at the party who just says "I wanna dip my balls in it" Ok, your position has been established. Thanks for sharing, thanks for caring, next caller please. I'm eager to hear from people who have something besides "Shut up you don't understand GOD" to the conversation. Link to post Share on other sites
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