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I actually feel alot better than September and October. I mean it hit rock bottom, but that is how life is. You go all the way to the bottom and then you have no other way to go but BACK UP. That is how i see my life turning into slowly. I don't want to sound like a douchebag but i feel like as we talk and text everyday i think i am winning my ex GF heart back to me and that is what is important in my life.

 

No you aren't. You're doing nothing of the sort. But you haven't listened thus far, I'm not expecting you to listen now.

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And that "committed and loving" person is out right now with her new guy and has f***ed him. That really is some true love....not to mention putting all of the blame on you which CLEARLY means she was CHEATING ON YOU!!!!! And yet continues to f*** both of you. She is a huge b**** and you are so whipped that you cannot see it. If she ever does decide to "come back" (which she keeps saying but hasnt happened yet), she will be out f***ing someone else. I can promise you with everything that I have. People like that DO NOT CHANGE.

 

Until you take her off this incredible pedestal that you have her on, NONE of us can help you. Honestly, you keep doing the exact opposite thing we tell you. Its like you are doing it just to p*** us all off!

 

Your story is not unique or different. Quit doing this and stop talking to her.

 

 

The reason i am talking to her is because we both have many things in common and i can relate to everything to her. It is like we are best friends, but physically and mentally i guess. And yeah so what even if they had sex (which i doubt) it doesn't mean anything. She is in a confused state and if i am playing this correctly i see her dumping her current BF soon.

 

 

We talk on the phone everyday now and at night and she says all the stuff they did for the 4-5 hours together. For example her current bf doesn't know how to treat a girl like my ex gf would hint to him that she is cold, but he doesn't offer his jacket to her. Or he never drives anywhere and makes her drive to places. Like little things and she purposely tests him out but he fails horribly.

 

 

I am not going to be so kind and gentle as the other posters after reading through pages upon pages of ilk.

 

You sir, are a cuckold in the making. You lost your dignity and you are super passive aggressive. There are people on here who have been through what you have but worse who have given you valuable words of wisdom, which you continue to ignore.

 

You stand by, waiting for the breadcrumbs she throws you, all the while she is getting pounded by this other guy. If that is not enough for you to go no contact and avoid her manipulative text games, if you are ok with being sloppy seconds and be on a constant emotional roller coaster, then do it.

 

Why come here asking for advice ? I have trouble wrapping my brain around if this is a true story or you are looking for attention. If this is true, then I think you should audition for the Dr. Phil show.

 

Four years, boo hoo, I have had longer relationships and went no contact, yeah it was hard, but I struggled, but I also listened and leaned on my friends when times got hard. With you, I don't know what is but I cannot pronounce it.

 

 

I mean MIRACLE happens and if it does then u should be happy for me. Most of the time NC works best when we stay away from each other, but i guess the internet forums don't know 100% of the time that it won't work and if we stay in contact with each other we can rekindle our relationship back. I really see it happening and hopefully it will happen very soon.

 

 

Let this thread die already. He doesn't care about the advice, he's just seeking attention.

 

 

I do care about the advice, but u guys should also consider this a technique where i rather DIE trying than not trying at all and regretting for the rest of my life.

 

Yesterday on Sunday, i hung out with my ex gf from 12 pm to around 8:30pm and we went a grocery store and shopped and ate at a restaurant for lunch. Then we decided to rent a REDBOX and she wanted to watch a scary movie so i rented one. Then we headed back to my apartment and watched it on my bed. We snuggled up (NO SEX) and we got intimate with each other. I guess she was trying to imply that we watch a scary movie so she can wrap her arms around me (I GUESS?) Then after we talked and the movie ended we headed to dinner for a buffet. We talked and laughed and then before she went home she gave me a BIG hug and it meant alot to me because i can feel that she still cares about me and LOVES me.

 

Its that feeling when you get that tingy feeling that you realized that the person still has feeling for you. She just couldn't give me a kiss because that would not be right. I mean it went from NC to watching a movie on my bed yesterday. What can be next? Seriously i think that NC works most of the time but in my case i think i am better off with just being friends and whatever comes COMes then u know?

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The reason i am talking to her is because we both have many things in common and i can relate to everything to her. It is like we are best friends, but physically and mentally i guess. And yeah so what even if they had sex (which i doubt) it doesn't mean anything. She is in a confused state and if i am playing this correctly i see her dumping her current BF soon.

 

 

We talk on the phone everyday now and at night and she says all the stuff they did for the 4-5 hours together. For example her current bf doesn't know how to treat a girl like my ex gf would hint to him that she is cold, but he doesn't offer his jacket to her. Or he never drives anywhere and makes her drive to places. Like little things and she purposely tests him out but he fails horribly.

 

Wow....just wow.

 

You need way more help than this site can give you. I'm dead serious.

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It's pretty obvious. You are not not seeing things clearly and you are not ready to deal with this in the proper way...

 

I think all anyone can say at this point is 'good luck'. And we'll be here should you need us in the future!!

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The reason i am talking to her is because we both have many things in common and i can relate to everything to her. It is like we are best friends, but physically and mentally i guess. And yeah so what even if they had sex (which i doubt) it doesn't mean anything. She is in a confused state and if i am playing this correctly i see her dumping her current BF soon.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, you aren't playing anything right. By doing what u r doing, she has no reason to leave her boyfriend. Why leave her boyfriend when she can have best of both worlds? If u really want her back, go NC. It will be good for both you and her. Her to experience life without you, and you to grow as a person and become more mature.

 

However if u still insist to carry on the way you are, I can only wish you good luck.

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Wow....just wow.

 

You need way more help than this site can give you. I'm dead serious.

 

You may be right, but if this works out successfully, then i will be the HAPPIEST PERSON on this planet.

 

 

It's pretty obvious. You are not not seeing things clearly and you are not ready to deal with this in the proper way...

 

I think all anyone can say at this point is 'good luck'. And we'll be here should you need us in the future!!

 

 

Thank you! Yeah i really appreciate everyone support in here. It means a bunch to me!

 

 

What the above guy said. I wish u good luck.

 

 

Thank you!

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, you aren't playing anything right. By doing what u r doing, she has no reason to leave her boyfriend. Why leave her boyfriend when she can have best of both worlds? If u really want her back, go NC. It will be good for both you and her. Her to experience life without you, and you to grow as a person and become more mature.

 

However if u still insist to carry on the way you are, I can only wish you good luck.

 

 

She is not going to continue to be in both worlds. She does not have the time nor commitment and i know she is going to have to make a decision pretty soon. The real question is how much longer it is going to take. I mean i been with her long enough to know that she has RESPECT for me still, but it just sucks that it has gotton this far.

 

You may be right though! Going NC might speed up the process, but also it can drift her away and i don't want that to happen. She told me last night that she "loved me more since we started talking again" which i was supprised.

 

And the end game for every call now comes to her saying "Love you". That really means a bunch to me and she never said that the first month or two. She started saying it like literally last week so i can tell she is leaning towards me.

 

But if i am wrong, then i will be hurt, but its a gamble i am willing to take. Maybe with all the depressed people in here, they can learn from what i am doing and it might work out successfully for others too. You never know until you actually try!

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But if i am wrong, then i will be hurt, but its a gamble i am willing to take. Maybe with all the depressed people in here, they can learn from what i am doing and it might work out successfully for others too. You never know until you actually try!

 

Yeah, thanks. But, I prefer to keep my nuts attached to me, and being able to look in the mirror knowing the reflection is of someone with dignity and self respect...

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I just keep wondering, in what ways were you a bad boyfriend? I do not quit understand the guild-talk you keep repeating. about yourself. Did you not listen to her stories, did you never surprise her, were you belittling her? What have you changed that was so awful that you both keep repeating it in your messages?

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You may be right, but if this works out successfully, then i will be the HAPPIEST PERSON on this planet.

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you! Yeah i really appreciate everyone support in here. It means a bunch to me!

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you!

 

 

 

 

 

She is not going to continue to be in both worlds. She does not have the time nor commitment and i know she is going to have to make a decision pretty soon. The real question is how much longer it is going to take. I mean i been with her long enough to know that she has RESPECT for me still, but it just sucks that it has gotton this far.

 

You may be right though! Going NC might speed up the process, but also it can drift her away and i don't want that to happen. She told me last night that she "loved me more since we started talking again" which i was supprised.

 

And the end game for every call now comes to her saying "Love you". That really means a bunch to me and she never said that the first month or two. She started saying it like literally last week so i can tell she is leaning towards me.

 

But if i am wrong, then i will be hurt, but its a gamble i am willing to take. Maybe with all the depressed people in here, they can learn from what i am doing and it might work out successfully for others too. You never know until you actually try!

 

I do hope people learn from what you are doing. Someone has got to be the "this isn't what you should do" person. You wear it very well.

 

I dont hope you fall on your face or anything, but I will say all of us tried to warn you. People come on here all the time trying to reinvent the wheel and it never works.

 

Maybe you can understand if I talk like your ex: Shez gonna keep slepin round on u and neva date u exclusively a-gain.

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You may be right, but if this works out successfully, then i will be the HAPPIEST PERSON on this planet.

 

This is flawed. Majorly flawed. The fact that you base your happiness solely on her actions will lead you to more and deeper pain. Read the books I suggested. You lack basic understanding about women, relationships and yourself!!

 

I mean i been with her long enough to know that she has RESPECT for me still, but it just sucks that it has gotton this far.

 

Wrong!! This woman has ZERO respect for you. And you have very little respect for yourself.

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Yeah, thanks. But, I prefer to keep my nuts attached to me, and being able to look in the mirror knowing the reflection is of someone with dignity and self respect...

 

If that is what makes you happy in life then go for it buddy...

 

 

I just keep wondering, in what ways were you a bad boyfriend? I do not quit understand the guild-talk you keep repeating. about yourself. Did you not listen to her stories, did you never surprise her, were you belittling her? What have you changed that was so awful that you both keep repeating it in your messages?

 

 

This started in March 2014 and i guess it drifted her away as well....

 

 

 

compulsive gambler, Stole money from GF ($8000+), Lie to gf all the time and never being truthful, never respected her family, Never wanted to go out to places with her, wasn't there for her when she needed me,

 

 

 

The list can go on...

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I do hope people learn from what you are doing. Someone has got to be the "this isn't what you should do" person. You wear it very well.

 

I dont hope you fall on your face or anything, but I will say all of us tried to warn you. People come on here all the time trying to reinvent the wheel and it never works.

 

Maybe you can understand if I talk like your ex: Shez gonna keep slepin round on u and neva date u exclusively a-gain.

 

 

Yeah i really hope so too. And i don't know why but i find that my ex gf is hotter now than she was with me and i am not sure why. I mean our sex life started going down the drain probably the 3rd year into our relationship, but her attraction to me is a all time high now.

 

Maybe i am missing something...

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Yeah i really hope so too. And i don't know why but i find that my ex gf is hotter now than she was with me and i am not sure why. I mean our sex life started going down the drain probably the 3rd year into our relationship, but her attraction to me is a all time high now.

 

Maybe i am missing something...

 

She is "hotter" to you know because she became something that wasnt yours anymore. All of this is ego. Its a nail on the head. You want her more because she isnt your girlfriend. Memories become sweeter, her looks become jaw dropping, and everything that was negative is erased.

 

With her, numerous things come into play. First, she is doing this because she likes having her cake and eat it too. She can still have you for emotional support and sometimes sex because she can. If this new guy is SOOOO bad, then why is she still with him? Words mean nothing at all. She keeps presenting herself to you in a manner that's always like "oh my new guy doesnt do _________. He isnt you" yada yada whatever. Then if he is so bad, why stay? Plus, she IS cheating on him!!! Doesnt that not concern you that she CLEARLY cheats on other people?!?! Clear wife material lol

 

Look, successful reconciliation happen with both parties spend a long time without one another, reflect and MOVE ON. You very clearly haven't done that. I saw you said that she respects you. If that isnt the biggest load of chicken s*** that I've ever read on here lol. She wouldnt have gone out, f***ed someone else, and continues to keep you in this state if she respected you.

 

I think you need to respect yourself. Thats easily the biggest problem in this. No self respect.

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This started in March 2014 and i guess it drifted her away as well....

 

 

 

compulsive gambler, Stole money from GF ($8000+), Lie to gf all the time and never being truthful, never respected her family, Never wanted to go out to places with her, wasn't there for her when she needed me,

 

 

 

The list can go on...

Thx for your honesty in this. I guess it is good that you had an epiphany as addictions are never healthy for us and honesty usually brings us furthest. It is also always is good to try and better ourselves, even though as that sometimes really is hard. I also understand that you feel guilty and want to to correct the balance. But the thing is that just as you weren't a prince, she unfortunately is no princes either. I fear for your mental health the way you are going, I really do! She knows that you feel guilty and she uses it in a very skilled way.

 

Know that what you feel for her is in a way an addiction too, Our attachment to others is for a large part chemical. The trouble is that with prolonging it the way like you are doing the fall will be longer and much deeper with every day this continues. I really think that ConfusedHumanBeing is right when he said: 'Shez gonna keep slepin round on u and neva date u exclusively a-gain'. Dude you may have played her when you lied to her, but now she is the puppetmaster. Both situations aren't healthy. It will be a b*tch detaching, but that really is better and much healthier than what you are trying to do now.

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She is not going to continue to be in both worlds. She does not have the time nor commitment and i know she is going to have to make a decision pretty soon. The real question is how much longer it is going to take. I mean i been with her long enough to know that she has RESPECT for me still, but it just sucks that it has gotton this far.

 

When someone cheats on you, they have already shown disrespect to you you blind bat.

You don't get to decide if she is going to stay in both worlds. You don't get to decide that she doesn't have the time or commitment. In fact, she is committing to him only, and not you.

 

But all in all, this is a great example for all you people who just got their hearts broken, of what not to do after a breakup.

 

Also a perfect example of the quote, 'love is blind'

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Basic human psychology, yes.

 

Yeah, i figured

 

 

She is "hotter" to you know because she became something that wasnt yours anymore. All of this is ego. Its a nail on the head. You want her more because she isnt your girlfriend. Memories become sweeter, her looks become jaw dropping, and everything that was negative is erased.

 

With her, numerous things come into play. First, she is doing this because she likes having her cake and eat it too. She can still have you for emotional support and sometimes sex because she can. If this new guy is SOOOO bad, then why is she still with him? Words mean nothing at all. She keeps presenting herself to you in a manner that's always like "oh my new guy doesnt do _________. He isnt you" yada yada whatever. Then if he is so bad, why stay? Plus, she IS cheating on him!!! Doesnt that not concern you that she CLEARLY cheats on other people?!?! Clear wife material lol

 

Look, successful reconciliation happen with both parties spend a long time without one another, reflect and MOVE ON. You very clearly haven't done that. I saw you said that she respects you. If that isnt the biggest load of chicken s*** that I've ever read on here lol. She wouldnt have gone out, f***ed someone else, and continues to keep you in this state if she respected you.

 

I think you need to respect yourself. Thats easily the biggest problem in this. No self respect.

 

 

You nailed it right on. I figured since i am not with her anymore (at least for the time being) its tough not find her even more attractive than i was with her. I mean today after work we hung out and grabbed dinner. She paid for my dinner and its not like she was using me for free food or whatever. We hung out and talked and then she went home.

 

I mean yeah i tried to initiate sex when we got back to our place, but she didn't want none of that. That showed me she still has respect for her current bf and that also shows me she wouldn't sleep around like a slut.

 

Its hard to pin point why she wants to always hang out, but at the same time she says all the negativity of her bf. I feel like she is trying to get with him, but at the same time not lose me because she still has feeling for me. Its tough for me because every time i am with her i just want to be intimate with her and that isn't something she wants with me. Yeah she snuggles and cuddles with me, but i guess i am looking for something more now

 

If you back up a couple of weeks from today, i barely got to talk to her, let alone being in the same bedroom as her. I guess it takes time to realize what i have lost and to slow but gradually get her back in my arms.

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Thx for your honesty in this. I guess it is good that you had an epiphany as addictions are never healthy for us and honesty usually brings us furthest. It is also always is good to try and better ourselves, even though as that sometimes really is hard. I also understand that you feel guilty and want to to correct the balance. But the thing is that just as you weren't a prince, she unfortunately is no princes either. I fear for your mental health the way you are going, I really do! She knows that you feel guilty and she uses it in a very skilled way.

 

Know that what you feel for her is in a way an addiction too, Our attachment to others is for a large part chemical. The trouble is that with prolonging it the way like you are doing the fall will be longer and much deeper with every day this continues. I really think that ConfusedHumanBeing is right when he said: 'Shez gonna keep slepin round on u and neva date u exclusively a-gain'. Dude you may have played her when you lied to her, but now she is the puppetmaster. Both situations aren't healthy. It will be a b*tch detaching, but that really is better and much healthier than what you are trying to do now.

 

 

Detaching is tough, i mean who really wants to be with someone for what i have done in the past? Like her still continusing to be with me until the last two months shows me that she still LOVES me, but also it hurts her knowing what kind of person i am. I am trying to CHANGE to show her that i made mistakes and i am willing to sacrifice just to be with her and get married and have kids one day.

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Notice how ts keeps saying he appreciates the advice but goes all out to convince us that we are all wrong. We all went thru the same situation, we all healed, there must be something wrong with us then...

 

 

Not everyone healed, some people regretted people everyone is different and yeah it works 95% of the time, but 5% of the time it got worst for them.

 

 

When someone cheats on you, they have already shown disrespect to you you blind bat.

You don't get to decide if she is going to stay in both worlds. You don't get to decide that she doesn't have the time or commitment. In fact, she is committing to him only, and not you.

 

But all in all, this is a great example for all you people who just got their hearts broken, of what not to do after a breakup.

 

Also a perfect example of the quote, 'love is blind'

 

 

Yeah she cheated and had a backup BF coworker, but that doesn't mean she had sex with him. I know they snuggled and watched a movie, but that doesn't really mean cheating. Cheating in my definition is if she had sex with him behind my back. That is considered cheating.

 

I mean we hung out today after work for like 2 hours. We grabbed dinner and talked. She told me more negativity of her current bf. The only problem is she isn't dumping her current bf yet which CONFUSES the **** out of me.

 

She keeps implying that IF WE GOT BACK TOGETHER WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THIS AND THAT. That shows me she has INTENTIONS to getting back together, but just NO timeframe :(

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She is manipulating you!! Plain and simple...

 

As I said before, you lack understanding. This is textbook. She's good at it and you are not!!

 

Don't feel bad though. You're not the first and you won't be the last...

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This is textbook. She's good at it and you are not!!

She's not that good at it, it's pretty obvious to anyone whose eyes are open. Being a good manipulator would mean her actions are hidden even to us. But we can see through her like a window on a glass airplane.

 

Sadly OP can't see through it even when we point his head right at it.....

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This started in March 2014 and i guess it drifted her away as well....

 

compulsive gambler, Stole money from GF ($8000+), Lie to gf all the time and never being truthful, never respected her family, Never wanted to go out to places with her, wasn't there for her when she needed me,

 

The list can go on...

So you were a compulsive gambler who stole $8K from your girlfriend and lied to her all the time, and all it took to change your ways was to finally realize that this bothered her? And now you're cured? I think this displays a certain lack of self-awareness, which is admittedly consistent with your other comments on here.

 

I have to say, I'm a bit concerned for her now, as well...

 

The reason i am talking to her is because we both have many things in common and i can relate to everything to her. It is like we are best friends, but physically and mentally i guess. And yeah so what even if they had sex (which i doubt) it doesn't mean anything. She is in a confused state and if i am playing this correctly i see her dumping her current BF soon.

So, her having sex with him when she goes home after giving you hugs and snuggles wouldn't mean anything? Keeping yourself in the dark - pretending to be doubtful - lets you deny that they are having sex. Would you still feel the same way if you found out for sure?

 

I mean MIRACLE happens and if it does then u should be happy for me. Most of the time NC works best when we stay away from each other, but i guess the internet forums don't know 100% of the time that it won't work and if we stay in contact with each other we can rekindle our relationship back. I really see it happening and hopefully it will happen very soon.

I've said it before, and you didn't get it: NC is NOT a tool for getting back your ex and rekindling your relationship, so this counterpoint of yours is irrelevant.

 

People are suggesting NC for you NOT as a tool to get her back, but because we believe that she is not a good girlfriend for you, based on her current behavior. You choose to ignore this advice - fine - but don't keep saying "hey, look, I think staying in contact may get my girlfriend back because she is snuggling with me before going home and f***ing her boyfriend, so you're all clearly wrong about NC! This is working, I just know it!!!"

 

I do care about the advice, but u guys should also consider this a technique where i rather DIE trying than not trying at all and regretting for the rest of my life.

Then what good is asking for advice? You already have your path charted out.

 

Its that feeling when you get that tingy feeling that you realized that the person still has feeling for you. She just couldn't give me a kiss because that would not be right.

Oh yeah, because that wouldn't be right. Whew - good thing she has standards!

 

I mean we hung out today after work for like 2 hours. We grabbed dinner and talked. She told me more negativity of her current bf. The only problem is she isn't dumping her current bf yet which CONFUSES the **** out of me.

OMFG, dude! ! ! So you repeatedly argue that we're all wrong, that we just don't understand your special situation that you have all figured out, and you're fighting for her and it's working.

 

But then, when she does exactly what everyone said she would do (i.e. keep you hanging and not bother to make a choice) you are SOOOO confused, as if you could never imagine this might have been a possibility.

 

Reminds me a bit of a scene from the American "Office" program, where the manager (Michael) is sleeping with the mother of one of his subordinates, Pam. When he finally reveals this to Pam, she immediately gets crazy mad and walks out. His commentary to the camera: "Well, that could have gone one of two ways, but I never expected her to get upset..."

 

She keeps implying that IF WE GOT BACK TOGETHER WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THIS AND THAT. That shows me she has INTENTIONS to getting back together, but just NO timeframe :(

And a worm on a hook shows that a fisherman has INTENTIONS of feeding the trout.

 

I mean it went from NC to watching a movie on my bed yesterday. What can be next?

I do have to admit that I am on the edge of my seat, waiting to find out... Please keep us posted.

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I already told her and i'll tell you guys too. I am not going to be with someone who is preg with another guy. That just ain't gonna work and i am in no way going to be a step daddy and she said "that ain't happening"

 

 

Just FYI and i am not that dumb to realize that too

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She's not that good at it, it's pretty obvious to anyone whose eyes are open. Being a good manipulator would mean her actions are hidden even to us. But we can see through her like a window on a glass airplane.

 

Sadly OP can't see through it even when we point his head right at it.....

 

 

You just state the obvious though. Everyone that come in here wants some type of support. I won't lie i needed support because i had NO idea what i wanted in life. Once it all came crashing down i was devestated and i couldn't eat or ANYTHING. I mean i still am having that issue, but i am ALOT better now knowing that i still have a chance to get her back in my arms.

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At TRIMMER -

 

 

That is actually what i have been trying to imply to u all. Yeah i ****ed up and stole money, but why in the world would she still be with me if i did something like that to her. It was actually worst than i stated though. I actually opened a credit card under her name and her info and took out $8000 cash from line of credit. I was addicted to gambling and i have taken steps to cure it. Yeah it takes time but i am alot better now and i know i will never ever do this type of thing again.

 

 

 

I mean if i found out she was having sex with him for REALZ i would be upset. But if its safe sex (condom) then i guess i would't be as pissed since we are broken up. It is just that when me and my ex gf dated we never used a condom (lol) and she trusted me knowing that i won't get her preg and it worked for over 4 years. I mean i told her like yeah i love her and everything and if she is preg then i will be here for her and etc. I guess i was so committed that if an accident did happen i would be cool and we both agreed so i guess thats why if they had RAW sex i would be annoyed and pissed, but if they had protective sex then i wouldn't be as pissed i guess?

 

 

 

Yeah NC is to get over an EX, but i am not trying to get over her. I am actually trying to win her back. I have watched numerous YOUTUBE video on how to get her back. They all pretty much say the same thing. I mean i still LOVE and CARE for her. It just sucks that she is still with her current BF and won't break it off. She also mention to me that her current BF is coming over for thanksgiving and she is testing him out whether or not he brings a gift when he comes over. In my mind i am like "I HOPE NOT" thus she would hate him more and i have a bigger chance to rekindle our relationship.

 

 

 

Again, her BF is off today so she has no one to go to breaks and lunches with. The only problem is she is coming over and bringing me lunch as well. I feel like i am being used and her reason is because she is bringing me lunch. I told her that i can take a early lunch if she wants me to and of course she said YEAH.

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