Wanting a guy with both a good career & good looks considered having high standards?

[NJ123]

True enough. I guess the reason this irks me is because there's no comparable calling out on the guy; what kind of woman would a lot of these guys be able to get without all of their money? Why is he allowed to use shallow standards but she's not? It's essentially a business transaction where he uses his money to get much better then he normally could and she uses her body to get money, and he's decided being able to bang her is worth it. He could easily say no and look for a good woman, but instead the insinuation is that he's somehow a victim in all of this.

 

Besides, women that use their looks to get stuff have a very finite window of being able to do this, whereas a rich guy will likely continue to have money so he can always trade her in. In that sense she has to get a good ROI

 

I don't get it anyway, I've always paid my own way in life. And I wouldn't want a super rich guy anyway, I'd always be wondering if he's thinking he could do better than me. I'm in very good shape and reasonably attractive, but am certainly no supermodel.

 

I guess because men are more visual than women. So a lot of rich guys want the best looking woman. Men & Women just think completely different on those type of things. And if those rich guys weren't rich they'd be having just as hard of a time trying to find someone like everyone else in the middle class. Likely they'd have to lower their standards completely since a lot of rich guys aren't attractive at all.

[Mangina]

Well to be fair, the women I were defending in the other thread I don't believe posted in this topic & had different views than most of the women in this thread do. Unless those women were lying the whole time about what they were saying?

 

just know that girls who are not shallow and do not go for the best looking and richest guy they can are very very few like maybe 2 out 100.

[MissBee]

Okay, so why do you even bother still seeing each other? That does NOT make sense to me. Unless you just want something from him. (sex, money etc.) If you know he's not the one for you, than you're wasting the guys time period. Do you flat out tell them you don't see it getting serious & than you both agree to some sort of FWB arrangement? Or is it just on your end knowing it won't get serious?

 

I'm sorry but it seems you're just looking for something to be angry about and still haven't understood that it's one thing to genuinely ask a question and another to presume all kinds of things.

 

Why are you even assuming I'm wasting HIS time? It's clear you've not comprehended a thing but just want something to be angry about. In these situations I am not wasting anyone's time, we're both adults who decide what we want and don't want from the situation and go from there.

 

And when I've wanted sex from a man, he's always wanted it too so it's a win win for both of us.

 

For the record: I rarely do casual stuff anymore as I don't have the time for it and am looking for more but if and when I do we're both in agreement with it, if anything, I've experienced more often than not where the guy is the one who wants to be casual and I want more so I have to cut it off so as not to get hurt.

[MissBee]

Because you were clearly attacking me earlier & than you just disappeared from the thread when I asked you questions. Your demeanor towards my posts in this entire thread have been in an attacking tone.

 

And yours has been absolutely pleasant, open and not in the least bit incendiary. Mmkay.

[Divasu]

Just seems you're trying to attack me in this thread. Who ever said I was owed anything? And you ducked the questions I asked. But it's your right not to answer them, but it's still weird that you're taking things so personal. We got along fine in every other thread so it's just weird to me.

 

No.

 

I'm choosing not to answer any more of those questions for reasons already explained. Category B guy was and probably always will be considered to me as close to best friendship between a man and a woman romantically could be. He is married with children now and has a full life.

[NJ123]

No.

 

I'm choosing not to answer any more of those questions for reasons already explained. Category B guy was and probably always will be considered to me as close to best friendship between a man and a woman romantically could be. He is married with children now and has a full life.

 

Fair enough.

[whatcanitellyou]

I guess because men are more visual than women. So a lot of rich guys want the best looking woman. Men & Women just think completely different on those type of things. And if those rich guys weren't rich they'd be having just as hard of a time trying to find someone like everyone else in the middle class. Likely they'd have to lower their standards completely since a lot of rich guys aren't attractive at all.

 

But then why shouldn't these women who are desired by said rich guys take advantage of the money? Said guy has to know that she's probably not that into him but is into his money and he accepts that. That's on him. If these women weren't desired by rich guys they'd have to lower their standards as well. That's the free market for you.

 

And the men are more visual thing is a false belief that many men have. Women are just as visual as men, but because society has traditionally forced women to be at home and dependent financially that has always had to be their primary consideration. That's why you always had the joke about married guy gets cut off sexually, because women weren't able to support themselves so they would often take a guy they weren't attracted to for the financial security. In this regard men are actually more honest, they acknowledge that they want a woman they're attracted to; women, otoh, have been raised to consider what kind of provider he'll be because she couldn't provide. What do you think would be the response of many families if a woman came home and said they had a wealthy guy or a doctor that wanted to marry them but they weren't really attracted to them? The family would tell her what an idiot she's being. Men, otoh, get full understanding that they need a woman they find attractive. Nothing wrong with that, women just need to be encouraged in the same way. But as women gain more financial equality you will see that, and I honestly don't understand why so many men fight this equality so much because they would benefit. Women who can provide their own financial security will be able to look for a man they truly like and find attractive, and that's good for him because he's far more likely to have a good married sex life. And if it doesn't work out he won't be on the hook to support her because she'll be able to support herself.

[NJ123]

But then why shouldn't these women who are desired by said rich guys take advantage of the money? Said guy has to know that she's probably not that into him but is into his money and he accepts that. That's on him. If these women weren't desired by rich guys they'd have to lower their standards as well. That's the free market for you.

 

And the men are more visual thing is a false belief that many men have. Women are just as visual as men, but because society has traditionally forced women to be at home and dependent financially that has always had to be their primary consideration. That's why you always had the joke about married guy gets cut off sexually, because women weren't able to support themselves so they would often take a guy they weren't attracted to for the financial security. In this regard men are actually more honest, they acknowledge that they want a woman they're attracted to; women, otoh, have been raised to consider what kind of provider he'll be because she couldn't provide. What do you think would be the response of many families if a woman came home and said they had a wealthy guy or a doctor that wanted to marry them but they weren't really attracted to them? The family would tell her what an idiot she's being. Men, otoh, get full understanding that they need a woman they find attractive. Nothing wrong with that, women just need to be encouraged in the same way. But as women gain more financial equality you will see that, and I honestly don't understand why so many men fight this equality so much because they would benefit. Women who can provide their own financial security will be able to look for a man they truly like and find attractive, and that's good for him because he's far more likely to have a good married sex life. And if it doesn't work out he won't be on the hook to support her because she'll be able to support herself.

 

I suppose you could see it that way. But the guy is successful & has done something in his life to get where he is. Than he wants a really attractive woman which he could get due to his money. And the woman will always be seen as a gold digger automatically if they have nothing going for themselves at all except for a beautiful body. It's just the way it is. The women shouldn't marry these rich guys in the first place if they don't want to be seen that way if they have nothing going for themselves. But I guess they don't care since they want the guys money lol. So it pretty much works both ways where their both using each other for something. Where he's using her for the way she looks & the sex while she's using him for his money.

[fortyninethousand322]

But then why shouldn't these women who are desired by said rich guys take advantage of the money? Said guy has to know that she's probably not that into him but is into his money and he accepts that. That's on him. If these women weren't desired by rich guys they'd have to lower their standards as well. That's the free market for you.

 

And the men are more visual thing is a false belief that many men have. Women are just as visual as men, but because society has traditionally forced women to be at home and dependent financially that has always had to be their primary consideration. That's why you always had the joke about married guy gets cut off sexually, because women weren't able to support themselves so they would often take a guy they weren't attracted to for the financial security. In this regard men are actually more honest, they acknowledge that they want a woman they're attracted to; women, otoh, have been raised to consider what kind of provider he'll be because she couldn't provide. What do you think would be the response of many families if a woman came home and said they had a wealthy guy or a doctor that wanted to marry them but they weren't really attracted to them? The family would tell her what an idiot she's being. Men, otoh, get full understanding that they need a woman they find attractive. Nothing wrong with that, women just need to be encouraged in the same way. But as women gain more financial equality you will see that, and I honestly don't understand why so many men fight this equality so much because they would benefit. Women who can provide their own financial security will be able to look for a man they truly like and find attractive, and that's good for him because he's far more likely to have a good married sex life. And if it doesn't work out he won't be on the hook to support her because she'll be able to support herself.

 

Well, the men who get married will. The men who don't won't have any kind of sex life. Good or bad. Hence why potentially undesirable men resist women having more autonomy in their sexual and romantic lives.

 

Personally, though I am an undesirable man, I could never sacrifice someone else's happiness for my own. Allowing people to live their lives in the manner they choose is the single most important value I hold dear.

 

Besides, the sex robots will soon come out and save us from our inability to attract a mate...

[Got it]

It doesn't matter, but most of the people in the thread are basically saying that her standards are likely too high. That's her problem, & she comes across as having a bitchy attitude as well yet claims she's a nice person. She wants a guy with high ambition, good job, good looks, good personality. It seems social media has really screwed up some women's perceptions in finding a guy. They want their guy to be almost perfect basically. They keep waiting for this perfect guy that will never come than their stuck settling for someone when they reach their mid 30s so they can have kids before it's too late.

 

Okay, so if women are doing this, isn't it their loss? I think, for many, either they realize that they are expecting too much or they hold to their standards and struggle finding any man who can actually meet them.

 

I don't think social media has caused this new issue. Rom-Coms have been accused of impacting what women expected from men.

 

There are many people with unrealistic expectations on both sides. They are usually alone, trying to figure out why no one likes them and continue to eliminate their choices.

[Got it]

I work with over 20 women in my department alone. If 18 of them have husband who make more, then I think it might generally be true. There have been many studies confirming this, why do you need to challenge me? I'm sorry this doesn't paint females in the best light, but females aren't perfect.

 

OMG, I stand corrected. You know 20 women. That breaks the bank.

 

Buck up spunky. You are 100% right and I am 100% wrong.

[Mangina]

OMG, I stand corrected. You know 20 women. That breaks the bank.

 

Buck up spunky. You are 100% right and I am 100% wrong.

 

And here is why I don't like the internet. Going back and forth people who don't have a clue and base every thing on a crap shot.

 

Im putting my coat on and riding out the weather just to get out away from this tablet.

[NJ123]

Okay, so if women are doing this, isn't it their loss? I think, for many, either they realize that they are expecting too much or they hold to their standards and struggle finding any man who can actually meet them.

 

I don't think social media has caused this new issue. Rom-Coms have been accused of impacting what women expected from men.

 

There are many people with unrealistic expectations on both sides. They are usually alone, trying to figure out why no one likes them and continue to eliminate their choices.

 

Absolutely it's their own loss. Like you said it's either these women are expecting too much from a guy or they don't settle for less than what they require. And if that isn't working out I'd like to think that a lot of them would know to re-evaluate what their standards are?

[eye of the storm]

For me, I don't care why someone doesn't want to date me. They don't, I move on. It really doesn't matter if its because they don't like my job, or don't think I'm attractive, or any number of things people look for in a relationship.

 

Telling someone what they should look for is unproductive because you can tell me all day long I should date someone my height....it is never going to happen. (I'm very short)

 

Now it would be different if you were telling someone who dates alcoholics or compulsive gamblers or drug addicts they shouldn't be dating that type, but other than that....it really is between them and their prospective partners.

 

When my daughter dates a new guy, my questions are is he nice, does he have a job (what is it) does he go to school (for what) and does he have a car. She used to get upset with me for my shallow views until she realized that all the guys she was dating (without a job and a car) were using her for dates and transportation. She now only will date a guy with a car and a job. Her last two boyfriends were both also in college. She is learning to date the kind of guy she eventually wants to end up with.

 

And good looking or attractive is subjective. What is good looking to me may not be to someone else. I have also found that some people get better looking the more you know them and some get uglier. To me their personality shines thru.

 

Also, good job and ambitious are also subjective terms. An electrician may be a good job to one but anything less than a CEO of a fortune 500 company may be the benchmark to another.

 

But you cannot tell me that an 80yo billionaire marrying a 22yo model is wrong. They both are fully aware of what they are getting into. And it is their choice. Just because they didn't choose you does not mean they are wrong.

[NJ123]

For me, I don't care why someone doesn't want to date me. They don't, I move on. It really doesn't matter if its because they don't like my job, or don't think I'm attractive, or any number of things people look for in a relationship.

 

Telling someone what they should look for is unproductive because you can tell me all day long I should date someone my height....it is never going to happen. (I'm very short)

 

Now it would be different if you were telling someone who dates alcoholics or compulsive gamblers or drug addicts they shouldn't be dating that type, but other than that....it really is between them and their prospective partners.

 

When my daughter dates a new guy, my questions are is he nice, does he have a job (what is it) does he go to school (for what) and does he have a car. She used to get upset with me for my shallow views until she realized that all the guys she was dating (without a job and a car) were using her for dates and transportation. She now only will date a guy with a car and a job. Her last two boyfriends were both also in college. She is learning to date the kind of guy she eventually wants to end up with.

 

And good looking or attractive is subjective. What is good looking to me may not be to someone else. I have also found that some people get better looking the more you know them and some get uglier. To me their personality shines thru.

 

Also, good job and ambitious are also subjective terms. An electrician may be a good job to one but anything less than a CEO of a fortune 500 company may be the benchmark to another.

 

But you cannot tell me that an 80yo billionaire marrying a 22yo model is wrong. They both are fully aware of what they are getting into. And it is their choice. Just because they didn't choose you does not mean they are wrong.

 

Fair enough. Like I said, if someone only wanted me for my job first & foremost than I wouldn't want to be with that person anyway. I'd always be wondering if they'll leave me if I lost my job & had to settle for a less paying job. And as I said, if you want something from a partner, you better have that same quality yourself. It's that simple. No woman making 30gs a year should have it as a requirement to get with a man who's a CEO making a few hundred grand a year. Same thing for men.

[sweetjasmine]

It doesn't matter, but most of the people in the thread are basically saying that her standards are likely too high. That's her problem, & she comes across as having a bitchy attitude as well yet claims she's a nice person. She wants a guy with high ambition, good job, good looks, good personality. It seems social media has really screwed up some women's perceptions in finding a guy. They want their guy to be almost perfect basically. They keep waiting for this perfect guy that will never come than their stuck settling for someone when they reach their mid 30s so they can have kids before it's too late.

If finding a man with ambition, good looks, a good job, and a good personality is so difficult, then what you're basically saying is that the vast majority of men are a bunch of losers. That's not really a nice thing to say.

[NJ123]

If finding a man with ambition, good looks, a good job, and a good personality is so difficult, then what you're basically saying is that the vast majority of men are a bunch of losers. That's not really a nice thing to say.

 

lol yeah because most guys have good looks, good jobs & good personalities & a lot of ambition all put together right? You seem to be implying that a vast majority of men are good looking & have good jobs from what you just said. Unfortunately that's not the case at all. A huge percentage of men are average/below average in looks. That's just reality. So I really don't get why you bothered to make this post.

[thefooloftheyear]

I don't believe men really care about a women's income.

 

 

Youre wrong....

 

Maybe thats not your intention, but when I hear that, I cringe because it makes guys out to be shallow morons that only view women as a pair of tits and a vagina...

 

Now, If I make more than her, or she doesnt have a great job or career, that doesnt mean she is immediately dismissed..Factors weigh in..

 

If anyone hasnt checked, unless you make huge Jack, its a "two income" society right now...No one should really "keep score", but its kind of important that both can pull their weight to some degree...Its also very appealing to me if a woman has a great career..It shows she is dynamic and in demand...What guy wouldnt want that ??

 

TFY

[Mangina]

Youre wrong....

 

Maybe thats not your intention, but when I hear that, I cringe because it makes guys out to be shallow morons that only view women as a pair of tits and a vagina...

 

Now, If I make more than her, or she doesnt have a great job or career, that doesnt mean she is immediately dismissed..Factors weigh in..

 

If anyone hasnt checked, unless you make huge Jack, its a "two income" society right now...No one should really "keep score", but its kind of important that both can pull their weight to some degree...Its also very appealing to me if a woman has a great career..It shows she is dynamic and in demand...What guy wouldnt want that ??

 

TFY

She can pull her weight with just a decent full time job it doesn't have to be high paying. I support myself on just 40 grand a year. You start writing girls off because they don't have high paying jobs you cut your prospects down even lower and that won't help if your not the best looking guy in the world and don't have many to begin with.

[thefooloftheyear]

Here is the thing.....

 

Women are attracted to good looking men that are ambitious and driven...Those guys go the the front of the line...Always have and always will....

 

So does that mean a guy should b!tch about the hand he was dealt?...I dont think so...Id like to have been able to play NFL football as a career...I cant...so what? Being ambitious and successful, for me, has helped me in so many ways that have nothing to do with women...Embrace who you are and be the best you can be...

 

Life is about choices...If you think women dont get put into "categories" by men in terms of their desirability, then you guys are dreaming. They dont get a participation trophy for having tits and a vagina, and that s what a lot of guys think...They get judged and fall in line in terms of their desireability,,Every day and as much as men do...The plain Jane ugly duckling doesnt get the Prince....Real life isnt Cinderella...

 

Find your place in the line...There is an ass for every seat..The women that have unrealistic expectations usually wind up as bitter cat ladies...The vast majority of women find their place in line, just like men do...

 

TFY

Edited November 16, 2014 by thefooloftheyear

[eye of the storm]

Fair enough. Like I said, if someone only wanted me for my job first & foremost than I wouldn't want to be with that person anyway. I'd always be wondering if they'll leave me if I lost my job & had to settle for a less paying job. And as I said, if you want something from a partner, you better have that same quality yourself. It's that simple. No woman making 30gs a year should have it as a requirement to get with a man who's a CEO making a few hundred grand a year. Same thing for men.

 

Unless I missed something, I don't remember her saying that she wanted a man for his job first and formost. Only that is was an important consideration.

 

Everyone has a list of wants and needs in a prospective partner. And you are in for a rude awaking in you don't. I work with a guy now that is currently going thru a divorce because they fell in love and he ignored the fact that she was unemployed and unmotivated. By the time he realized it was not a temporary condition they were married. He ignored the fact that he and she had different interests and communication styles. Because they were in love and attracted to each other. Well, you can see how that works out in the real world. I know of several others in the same boat. They hooked themselves to partners that drug them down instead of being partners to a better life for both of them.

 

Looking for a partner in love is just like looking for a business partner. You both need to to be moving in the same direction.

 

I was married to a man with a good job and he was attractive. I am now divorced. I have other criteria that I now look at. How does he treat money, what is his communication style and temper, and how does he treat me. But I still will not date a man that does not have a good job and is, to me, attractive.

 

Someone referenced 2 women that made above average income and they were married to a construction worker and the other to an electrician. Both are good jobs. Im pretty sure that the men are good in their fields and work hard. The women got men with good jobs. Good job is subjective. I am sure the marriages would not have had the same outcome if they were burger flippers.

 

And if a person making 30K a year wants to marry a CEO making a million a year. I say go for it. Its nice to have goals. It is their issue not mine.

 

And if a woman doesn't want to date you, move on. Don't be angry that you don't meet her standards. Don't try to claim that her standards are too high. Just move on.

[Got it]

Well, yes of course it goes both ways. Men demand things that they can't hold up to themselves either. If their not an attractive guy, than they shouldn't be bitching about not being able to get an attractive woman. It's just reality in that regard. And true a lot of men with money basically just buy really attractive women. But personally if I was wealthy, I'd still rather have an attractive woman with a great personality over a 10 out of 10 who has high maintenance issues & a bitchy attitude. But if a woman's standards are that the guy needs to have a lot of money, she better have a lot of money herself.

 

But the whole premise of your original post was that she did!!!!

 

You seem to want to make sure your argument shows how shallow and unfair women are and will twist your argument to "prove" that to yourself.

 

If you want to hate women then go for it. You can easily make sure that you see this throughout your life. It is your perception and you will make sure that is the "proven" outcome time and time again.

[Got it]

Absolutely it's their own loss. Like you said it's either these women are expecting too much from a guy or they don't settle for less than what they require. And if that isn't working out I'd like to think that a lot of them would know to re-evaluate what their standards are?

 

And some will and some won't. I am really feeling like we are banging our heads against the wall with you. So let me spell it out.

 

There are BILLIONS of people on this planet all making personal decisions every minute of every day. On a spectrum, some swing one way and some swing another and some stay in the middle.

 

Some people make decisions that are healthy, appropriate and in their best interest, others do the exact opposite.

 

Some see positive benefits from their decisions. Some see negative benefits.

 

As we go through life we reevaluate our decisions and change them, year over year. What you decide at 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, etc. will change.

 

So your whole premise about this ONE woman is not a valid basis for an attempted argument against the whole female gender. She does not speak for us. Nor do we/I speak for her.

 

She is making decisions based on what she thinks is appropriate for herself. Whether it is right, wrong or indifferent, this is her right. She may find that she is "rewarded" for it, she may find that it is a bad decision. This is up to her.

 

What she does has NOOOOOOO impact/outcome/reflection about you or anyone else. This is about her.

 

Your premise is she is looking for what she perceives as an equal. You don't see it as being equal. You are also extrapolating that she is being unfair. Why? Why does it matter to you?

 

And age is going to play a major factor. What I wanted at 18, 25, and 30 is going to vary. At 20 I could have cared less how much a guy made as long as we could relate to life events that were happening at that time.

 

What I want NOW in my mid 30's is world's apart. I am no where close to the same person to that age. So I am not speaking as a 20 something. I am speaking as someone much closer to middle age, who is focusing on retirement planning, wealth development, debt elimination, etc. This is not something most 20 year olds focus on.

 

What this woman wants is not very different than my feeling that I could only be with someone that is progressive/liberal in their political thinking. Why? Because it lines up with my thinking and something I value. So I have only had a serious relationship with men who were of the same political thinking. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Just makes it my preference.

 

What what is the point of your argument? That she is is wrong and being a snob. Okay, she is wrong and being a snob. Does that end the argument? Are you feeling you are unfairly treated? Then don't date women who prioritize money. The world is made up of billions of women. There is a wide array to choose from.

[whatcanitellyou]

You missed the entire point.....

 

And if you want to start making comparisons. I run two seperate companies....Work probably 70-80 hrs a week..Mostly in the elements, both hot and bitter cold....Havent had a vacation in years..My spouse has only worked small part time jobs, didnt work at all when our child was small and has never written a check in her enire adult life...Never....All bills, credit cards etc..paid...Nice cars....Big house,...everything...Not too bad of a deal, no?

 

Anything that needs to be done, fixed, whatever is my responsiblity..And I dont pay anyone, I do it myself...FOr the entire time, ive been doing plumbing, carpentry, auto repair, etc..usually at 11 pm when I should be sleeping..

 

And yes, when there is laundry around, I still do it..Cook and clean up after myself and others as well.....Ive never once complained about any of it...So spare me..

 

And you know what?

 

I know a lot of other guys that do the same thing I am doing...You know how many women I know that will do these same things for a man?? None that I am aware of......

 

So please...enough already with the toilets..If someone did for me what I do for them, id have a perfectly clean house, a more killer body, cook better than Emeril.,...well...you get the picture...

 

Im not saying there arent lazy POS guys out there...Sure there are....And there are slug women, too...

 

But from my vantage point, there arent many women willing to take on the huge financial burdens that many men have traditionally have had to bear..If they make a lot of money(women), it seems as though thats "their" money and that they will carefully decide what to do with it...Unlike in cases like myself, where everything i make is in the pot for the family....If they want or need it, its there....If there isnt enough, I work harder..

 

TFY

 

well it sounds like you made a poor choice in a spouse. I would never let my husband shoulder that kind of burden by himself, but then again I'm a product of the so called women's lib that so many guys like to vilify.

 

This is a serious question: on what basis did you choose your wife? Was she always on the lazy side? Did she has qualities that let you to believe that she'd be a good partner? I'm curious because I personally have seen a number of men make their decision based on a woman's tits and arse, and then are surprised when it turns out she's a poor partner. I think too many people don't give real thought to what kind of partner their choice is likely to make, both men and women. They somehow think love will be enough.

[thefooloftheyear]

well it sounds like you made a poor choice in a spouse. I would never let my husband shoulder that kind of burden by himself, but then again I'm a product of the so called women's lib that so many guys like to vilify.

 

This is a serious question: on what basis did you choose your wife? Was she always on the lazy side? Did she has qualities that let you to believe that she'd be a good partner? I'm curious because I personally have seen a number of men make their decision based on a woman's tits and arse, and then are surprised when it turns out she's a poor partner. I think too many people don't give real thought to what kind of partner their choice is likely to make, both men and women. They somehow think love will be enough.

 

Its great that you say you wouldnt let your guy shoulder that burden, but what would you do if your man made a significant amount of money, took good care of you, did all that stuff, and didnt ever complain that you didnt? Why would you then knock yourself out to "make things equal"?

 

She's not necessarily a poor partner.....Im the heavy....I get it...I dont care and dont complain and dont belittle her for it....Millions of other guys do the same exact thing..Guys dont put a lot of pressure on a woman to make a ton of money..Not in the same way that women pressure men to carry their weight....Im OK with that .>Im not one of the crying asses that complains about why their gf/wife wont carry them...

 

Understand this...As I have stated before..I have absolutely NO problem with a woman that made a lot of money...If she made more than me, I wouldnt care....I encourage it..I love driven and successful women...Its highly desireable, IMO...I guess the only issue there would be if we both were working mega hours then maybe it wouldnt be such a good arrangement for a healthy relationship...Then, I am sure, a decision would have to be made to scale one partner back..And all factors would have to be considered..

 

In summary, I guess my original point is that there is less pressure on women to be the heavies as opposed to men...Where men make a significant income, they (men) seem perfectly content with the woman making a few dollars or even nothing at all..Women, OTOH, seem to want men who are successful and driven no matter what they themselves are making or what their standard is...Its a measuring stick for most women(career, standing), whereas many men are less judgemental about it...

 

TFY