Are there any men who are NOT bitter jaded woman haters "out there?"

[Mister Zen]

There certainly aren't many here.

 

Many of those here are sensitive, caring types who read people well. Why else would we be on here?

 

Where the normal guy would just say who cares to the girl that screwed him over, we guys who are a little more sensitive, end up really opening up and giving a relationship our all.

 

So, we get a little more butt hurt than the insensitive guy.

 

I personally don't hate women. I hate people and men more! ha ha ha

 

Seriously though, we have experience putting it all in and getting screwed. That can be overlooked, but in my personal case it's all women in my life, except a few guys that are my employees. I know the women in my life at a very, very deep level. Close friends, lovers or people who I've gone out with and had relationships with.

 

Sadly, they have all.... every single one, proven the man haters right at some point.

 

They have all cheated. They all don't like happiness and stability. They mistake that for boredom and start looking at the neighbor's grass... looks pretty green., They crave drama, excitement and chaos. Wild rides. Men don't usually like that stuff. This is where the sexes have their problem. Women I know also crave more. More of everything. They are not happy with their lives or even themselves. Never content to just enjoy what they have. Always need more.

 

These are some fundamental differences in the sexes I've noticed,

 

As a guy, I now just accept that this is how women are. You can't change the world. You can only change yourself.

 

 

Love and loyalty is almost nonexistent in the developed world yet women desperately seek men so as not to be 'alone' on holidays. Its as though they are seeking a snow shovel or boots to weather a storm...no concern for the man himself he is merely a vehicle to HER happiness. And just like a shovel... when a man is worn or broken he is cast aside.

 

What women constantly preach (fairness, equality, love, loyalty, RESPECT, etc) is not what they practice. This is why a lot of men are bitter.

[No Limit]

Well, they make better guy friends I guess.

[Got it]

In real life, absolutely. I know many.

 

On Loveshack, the non-bitter ones are in the minority.

 

My husband laughs and shakes his head at some of the things I have read him from here.

 

If you want to see the glass half empty you will find examples all through the world proving the negativity. If you want to see it half full you will see the wonder, positive, and miraculous in life.

 

It is a choice.

[Haydn]

My BH does the same.

 

OP women are people and sometimes people let you down and sometimes they bring you right up.

 

 

 

In real life, absolutely. I know many.

 

On Loveshack, the non-bitter ones are in the minority.

 

My husband laughs and shakes his head at some of the things I have read him from here.

If you want to see the glass half empty you will find examples all through the world proving the negativity. If you want to see it half full you will see the wonder, positive, and miraculous in life.

 

It is a choice.

[autumnnight]

In my life I have had occasion to be treated in a horrifically cruel and heartless fashion by just a few men. One in particular was just sociopathic.

 

BUT I really believe to my core that these men were the exception and that the vast majority of men I see every day are doing their best. I believe men like my dad and brothers, who are strong and kind and honest, pass by every day. I have been in relationships with men like this and appreciated their integrity.

 

See, when this handful of men treated me like dirt, I had a choice in my response. I could generalize those experiences to men in general, become jaded, declare every flaw I might need to examine on "the male gender," and never heal or grow or be a woman any man would want to approach with a 20 foot pole. Cause what man wants to be with a woman who is going to rant about how all her troubles are a man's fault, right?

 

My troubles aren't a man's fault. Even with the jerks, except for one, in hindsight I can see I ignored red flags and even if I didn't I was the one who chose to go out with them.

 

I think men get a raw deal. They are the butt of jokes on TV and in commercials, the divorce laws still favor women on money and custody, and when they behave the way they are wired to behave by being strong and making decisions and things then lots of women whine about oppression. But I respect many many men and love and respect the man I am with now.

 

Surely, though, any honest person who can set aside the sarcasm for a second has noticed how the same dozen posters (who re male) go from thread to thread bashing women while simultaneously saying they no longer care and high fiving each other. Their whining is so loud that sometimes it is hard for me to hear the really good men, so I apologize for that.

 

I guess I answered my own question in that yes there are plenty of men who have chosen to be good men. I was hormonal the other day I guess. You know how us dripping faucet women are hahaha.

[fortyninethousand322]

I don't hate women. I just assume that since women are great, lovely, and wonderful they can find a guy much better than I. Makes me sad of course, but not mad or bitter. Just sad.

 

Also makes me refuse to believe that any woman would be truly interested in me...

[NGC1300]

I don't care what anyone says; it's always the guy that has to prove himself to the woman. Not the other way around. And lots of luck. Even if you get past the dating stage, the man can never stop the relentless effort of trying to please the woman, because she knows the next salivating male is just around the corner. The statistics say it all. It's an absolute fact that more women leave men than vice-versa. Empathy for men is just not something women have. Not a generalization, but a fact. Men are regarded as the disposable gender.

 

I hope more men become bitter and stop buying into this game. It's the only way things will ever change. I don't hate women, but I absolutely hate the attitudes of society in general .

Edited November 29, 2014 by NGC1300

[Frank2thepoint]

Have you considered dating younger women? They come with their own issues, but most of them are not yet emotionally broken from dating a bunch of douchebags.

 

I've dated women that were 10 years younger to 5 years older than me. And everything in between those ranges. My past relationships also fell into this range. Each of the women I've dated had their own issues that either I did not find attractive, or they used as an excuse to not pursue a serious relationship. I can't even clump or generalize any of the women, such as saying the younger ones were flaky (which was true), but so were the women that were in my age range and even older ones.

 

I've dated women from various ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds. Caucasians, Latinas, Asians, African American, even Desi. The only thing they had in common is each had their own personal issue/damage they've endured. So this adage that people keep attracting the same type is definitely not true, at least in my case. What's true is there are a lot of people with different degrees of issues, and the severity of them that affects their relationships.

 

Humans have this compulsion to connect with someone romantically, and the biggest joke is that it is a struggle. A very exhausting one.

[thefooloftheyear]

I don't care what anyone says; it's always the guy that has to prove himself to the woman. Not the other way around. And lots of luck. Even if you get past the dating stage, the man can never stop the relentless effort of trying to please the woman, because she knows the next salivating male is just around the corner. The statistics say it all. It's an absolute fact that more women leave men than vice-versa. Men are regarded as the disposable gender.

 

I hope more men become bitter and stop buying into this game. It's the only way things will ever change. I don't hate women, but I absolutely hate the attitudes of society in general .

 

 

Please....Dont inflate their already enormous egos....

 

All kidding aside,,Actually your statement isnt true...Well, maybe it is for low quality or undesirable men, but not for men as a whole...

 

Its inconceivable how some guys think that its somehow deemed an "advantage" that a woman can have an easier time getting laid...How is that so? What makes you think that it means anything in terms of a getting a quality mate? If anything, all it means is that a woman is more likely to get jerked around or used ....

 

Guys have historically done better than women in many areas...Many high quality men even at an advanced age, can take their pick of younger and more attractive women, while it generally isnt the same for women..Quality guys will always be in high demand...and we die earlier and there are more of them than us, so odds are better there as well....These guys dont have to "prove" anything, as you say...

 

High quality people, of either gender, will have an easler time here...

 

TFY

[NGC1300]

Its inconceivable how some guys think that its somehow deemed an "advantage" that a woman can have an easier time getting laid...How is that so? What makes you think that it means anything in terms of a getting a quality mate? If anything, all it means is that a woman is more likely to get jerked around or used ....

 

 

I never said anything about sex. They have it 10x easier even if they just want a quality relationship. This isn't even a matter of debate.

[thefooloftheyear]

I never said anything about sex. They have it 10x easier even if they just want a quality relationship. This isn't even a matter of debate.

 

 

Nonsense!

 

Its got all to do with sex...

 

A woman can attract more men than a typical guy can attract women,(sex), but that guarantees nothing in terms of quality....

 

 

Id also argue that right now there are more "quality" women than men..But thats because many of these men cant get their heads out of their asses...Its all there for them, but you cant expect much if you dont offer much..(not referring to you, just in general)...

 

TFY

Edited November 29, 2014 by thefooloftheyear

[Anela]

Love and loyalty is almost nonexistent in the developed world yet women desperately seek men so as not to be 'alone' on holidays. Its as though they are seeking a snow shovel or boots to weather a storm...no concern for the man himself he is merely a vehicle to HER happiness. And just like a shovel... when a man is worn or broken he is cast aside.

 

What women constantly preach (fairness, equality, love, loyalty, RESPECT, etc) is not what they practice. This is why a lot of men are bitter.

 

Bulls**t.

 

There's no point saying anything more to you, because you know better, you just choose to spread hatred.

[NGC1300]

Bulls**t.

 

There's no point saying anything more to you, because you know better, you just choose to spread hatred.

 

He's right.

[Anela]

He's right.

 

He's wrong. Since I am a woman, I know what I'm thinking and feeling, thank you.

[Robert Z]

Men are starting to say, "Wait a minute. Why should my life be about struggle and self-sacrifice, working myself to death for people who regard me as a wallet? Why should I marry some 'blunt, outspoken' woman who will turn on me whenever the money stops coming in, who will nag me to death and take half my stuff, including any kids we have together, 10 years down the road?

 

Attacking the "bitterness" won't help it any. And I know women have their own struggles in society. But they seem to use that as an excuse to trivialize unfairness towards men. Which goes back to the one-sided gender double standards and sexist behavior many women participate in (yet whine when its directed towards them). But that's a whole other issue and I've said enough as it is.

 

 

I wish I could buy you a beer for that post.

[samg313]

Have you considered dating younger women? They come with their own issues, but most of them are not yet emotionally broken from dating a bunch of douchebags.

 

If they are somewhat attractive they come with their own bag of issues. A main one being the constant need for attention and affirmation. They usually seek this out via social media and have hundreds of guy friends on their that want to have sex with them. If the attention is needed or the relationship gets boring to them than they will get curious about the opportunities granted to them. Sometimes they grow out of this by 30 unless they are having a midlife crisis.

[NGC1300]

Id also argue that right now there are more "quality" women than men..But thats because many of these men cant get their heads out of their asses...Its all there for them, but you cant expect much if you dont offer much..(not referring to you, just in general)...

 

I'm afraid you have that backwards.

 

It IS all there for women.

 

If you're born female you can expect affection from the opposite sex handed to you on a silver platter. People will also feel undying empathy for you and your problems.

 

Born male? Nobody's gonna feel sorry for you; you just have to "man up" or face ridicule.

 

And unless you're rich, tall, and handsome, women generally aren't going to even approach you, whereas even average women frequently get unsolicited attention from males.

[Mister Zen]

In real life, absolutely. I know many.

 

On Loveshack, the non-bitter ones are in the minority.

 

My husband laughs and shakes his head at some of the things I have read him from here.

 

If you want to see the glass half empty you will find examples all through the world proving the negativity. If you want to see it half full you will see the wonder, positive, and miraculous in life.

 

It is a choice.

 

Forget about half empty vs. half full. What about just seeing reality?

 

Do you promote living in delusion or do you promote seeing things as they are?

[littleblackheart]

And it was starting so well... Oh well, at least you tried OP.

[Rejected Rosebud]

Yes, I don't even know any men who are bitter jaded woman haters! Of course if they were I guess they wouldn't be hanging around with me since I'm a girl! Men are MARGINALIZED??? What? Look around you guys! I'm seeing so many men doing great in life all around me including right here in my livingroom!

[Mister Zen]

He's wrong. Since I am a woman, I know what I'm thinking and feeling, thank you.

 

But you're just one woman though. You don't represent all. Or do you?

 

Are you saying all women are the same? Interesting.

[Robert Z]

Yes, I don't even know any men who are bitter jaded woman haters! Of course if they were I guess they wouldn't be hanging around with me since I'm a girl! Men are MARGINALIZED??? What? Look around you guys! I'm seeing so many men doing great in life all around me including right here in my livingroom!

 

 

Look at the over 50% of married men who end up in divorce court. Look at what their wives did to them. And get an education.

 

 

My ex and I had agreed to an amicable divorce [even though I all but hated her], we had agreed to the basic outline, and I planned to spend the rest of my life making sure she is okay. Then she turned around and violated our contract, used all of my good intentions against me, and tried to destroy me. Later I learned that she had secretly taken out a life insurance policy on me. And I honestly think she was slowly trying to kill me.

 

 

So bitter? Nah. Why would I be bitter?

Edited November 29, 2014 by Robert Z

[thefooloftheyear]

I'm afraid you have that backwards.

 

It IS all there for women.

 

If you're born female you can expect affection from the opposite sex handed to you on a silver platter. People will also feel undying empathy for you and your problems.

 

Born male? Nobody's gonna feel sorry for you; you just have to "man up" or face ridicule.

 

And unless you're rich, tall, and handsome, women generally aren't going to even approach you, whereas even average women frequently get unsolicited attention from males.

 

Women get unsolicited attention in many cases for what they have between their legs and the two fat bumps on their chest.....Hardly anything to feel good about...

 

We disagree here and nothing will change it...I have no issues with women...They are always seemingly around, despite the fact that I am only 5'6" tall and kind of a jerk, if you dont know me well..What attracts them is what perhaps others lack....but I dunno...

 

TFY

[Anela]

I wish I could buy you a beer for that post.

 

Since he's talking about all women in his post, that includes your SB.

[Anela]

Look at the over 50% of married men who end up in divorce court. Look at what their wives did to them. And get an education.

 

What did they do to end up in divorce court? What about what the husbands did to the wives?

 

My ex and I had agreed to an amicable divorce [even though I all but hated her], we had agreed to the basic outline, and I planned to spend the rest of my life making sure she is okay. Then she turned around and violated our contract, used all of my good intentions against me, and tried to destroy me. Later I learned that she had secretly taken out a life insurance policy on me. And I honestly think she was slowly trying to kill me.

 

 

So bitter? Nah. Why would I be bitter?

 

Women have had similar things happen to them. I've had my good intentions used against me, and probably will again, because I can't stay in that cold hole of bitterness and resentment. I really wish I hadn't experienced big parts of the past five/six years, and certain things in my childhood. I can't change it, so I'm trying to make the best of what I have left - and then men like you come along and try to destabilize my self-esteem - and the self-esteem of others - because of my age or anything else, in order to make yourselves feel better? And you think that makes you look good? It doesn't.