Why do a lot of women expect MORE for LESS?

[dreamingoftigers]

Cool story.

 

But we all know few women would date a man who refused to spend any $$$ on her ever. And forget marriage.

 

I married a homeless guy.

 

He did have a nice backpack though.

[Rejected Rosebud]

How about taking issue with the person charging 10 dollars? Why do you support a 10 dollar candy bar?

I had a $10 candy bar about a month ago and I still can't stop thinking about how awesome it was!!! I support the company who made that candy bar 100%! You might not be much of a connoisseur but that doesn't have anything to do with the rest of us!!

 

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[dreamingoftigers]

I have some news for some on here, the Pill in 1961, liberated women.

If your woman is spreading her legs for your dinner guests, then there may be a problem, but otherwise men just need to just get over it.

 

This chaste woman that seems to be so popular on this thread, doesn't really exist, apart from in imaginations.

 

After converting to a religion at 19 I waited until I met my husband to have intercourse.

 

I know a fair amount of religious women that stayed the course.

 

Not mythical, just not typical in secular circles.

[CrystalCastles]

I prefer relationships with women who know what they are doing and aren't all awkward and scared of every little thing.

 

Give me the ho any day! :lmao:

 

I mean who wants some boring chick who has no sexual experience? I guess the answer is most guys do.

 

Good! More pornstars for me! lol

 

I agree with Anela. I think that people judge too much on a person's "experience". There are women who don't have a lot of experience, like myself, but that doesn't mean I'd be bad in bed, just like it doesn't mean that someone who has slept with 100 partners is good in bed. Being good at sex involves enthusiasm, responding to your partner's sounds and movements, trying new things.

 

Plus, supposing if a woman marries a guy, and he is her first, and they have an awesome sex life, she might be "inexperienced" because she's only been with one guy, but assuming she's getting regular sex, I don't really see how that could be inexperience.

 

Mr. Zen, that is pretty funny coming from you in light of your OP which is nothing except for your biased opinions being stated, weekly I might add, as fact!!! What's good for the gander, as they say!!

 

I fixed it. I feel like these types of threads pop up weekly, although "weakly" is also true!

 

Don't worry about it, I'm pretty sure he's just trying to be funny!!:bunny:

 

Oh, well excuse me then!

 

To the OP: Ha...Ha...Ha.

[sillyanswer]

I see your point.

 

But the answer to everything in life isn't necessarily: "Just walk away then".

 

Don't question it. Don't have an opinion. Just walk away. Really?

 

But this thread isn't about the solutions to "everything in life". It's about what some women want in return for what they have to offer. (You should know that, since you started it.) As it happens, the "just walk away" option works just fine when the women are asking for more than you're prepared to give.

 

Luckily, as you noted originally, not all women are the same. I suspect you really just said that as a way to deflect any accusations that you're somehow attacking women, but since it's true that not all women are the same then instead of "just walk away" you also have the option of seeing what's on offer from the other group of women and striking a bargain with one of them. Maybe one of them will like whatever it is that you have to offer.

[Rejected Rosebud]

I guess the concept of fairness is lost on you.

 

Where does fairness come into this at all? Anybody can charge whatever they want for anything, if it's too much nobody will buy. Do you understand? But how this relates to women or men or anybody going for what they want in their lives I don't understand myself! I still think you are just goofing around trying to get a rise out of the non sexist people here, and you don't really think this way, please tell me I'm right! I like to think the best of people!!

[Haydn]

I don't judge men by your behaviour. Why do you hate women so much?

 

 

I think from other threads he is a Pick up artist???? But judging by this thread, not a successful one.

 

I just got back from the pub. Worked my magic again.

 

Double top and i was quids in.

[dreamingoftigers]

I see your point.

 

But the answer to everything in life isn't necessarily: "Just walk away then".

 

Don't question it. Don't have an opinion. Just walk away. Really?

 

Don't like the President? Leave the country. Don't like your co-worker? Quit your job. Don't like your sister? Stop associating with her. Don't like stopping at cross walks? Don't drive. Don't like crime? Live off the grid. Don't like being over worked and under paid? Be homeless.

 

I love your simple solutions.

 

Cute example of extremism.

 

Ironically, I have known at least one person who did just that from every item on your list. If

you had read better you would see that I actually suggested asking as to why there was such a dramatic price increase.

However, we are talking about more consumerist and general transactions.

Not, what country shall I live in on Friday night?

[braindamage]

Cool story bro.

 

Too bad you provide nothing to back it up.

 

Thats why it's littered with hypotheticals Einstein.

[somedude81]

I fixed it. I feel like these types of threads pop up weekly, although "weakly" is also true!

 

Yup they do.

 

This is currently the "it" thread on the forum.

 

Though it's a really piss poor one and I can't even tell what the main topic is.

 

It's about chocolate right?

[autumnnight]

Cool story.

 

But we all know few women would date a man who refused to spend any $$$ on her ever. And forget marriage.

 

Actually my current SO and I are pretty even with regard to who spends what and I might be "ahead" if I did the math. He has had some hard times not of his making and so have I and we just let whoever is doing better take care of things.

 

I think it would have to do with the "why." If a guy didn't want to buy me a hamburger to prove some point, it wouldn't be about the hamburger, it would be about his attitude. If a guy was great and caring and hardworking but is currently on hard times I wouldn't suggest something that required spending money. I'd cook for him or we could just go on a hike or something. If he was a bum who was waiting for his unemployment to get extended, again, it wouldn't be money it would be laziness.

 

But none of that would be some "reason" not to have sex. My reason for waiting on sex has to do with my values and they are not monetary.

[dreamingoftigers]

Yup they do.

 

This is currently the "it" thread on the forum.

 

Though it's a really piss poor one and I can't even tell what the main topic is.

 

It's about chocolate right?

 

Sweet, sweet chocolate and how slutty women charge $10 for ir the day after they charge $1 for it and how its unfair and don't just walk away from it but question it or you don't know how to read.

 

I think. Wow. Is it ever time for me to do my laundry.

[somedude81]

I think it would have to do with the "why." If a guy didn't want to buy me a hamburger to prove some point, it wouldn't be about the hamburger, it would be about his attitude.

Yup they do.

 

This is currently the "it" thread on the forum.

 

Though it's a really piss poor one and I can't even tell what the main topic is.

 

It's about chocolate right?

 

Oh and hamburgers too!

 

How about a chocolate hamburger?

[Anela]

 

But none of that would be some "reason" not to have sex. My reason for waiting on sex has to do with my values and they are not monetary.

 

Neither are mine. There are men here who associate relationships with prostitution, and they're usually the same men who insult women. They see no value in a woman, aside from her looks and her age (youth).

[Maleficent]

Missing the point AGAIN as usual.

 

Not saying its wrong to sleep around. I'm asking why I should pay 10 dollars for the same candy bar another dude payed 1 dollar for.

 

And I have yet to get an answer.

 

If you don't want to pay 10$ for the same candy bar another dude paid 1$ for, then don't.

End of story.

[Maleficent]

What about YOUR value? What do you bring to the table - except for that horrible attitude?

 

Second smartest post in this thread.

Someone's on a roll!

[xxoo]

Missing the point AGAIN as usual.

 

Not saying its wrong to sleep around. I'm asking why I should pay 10 dollars for the same candy bar another dude payed 1 dollar for.

 

And I have yet to get an answer.

 

Because she's offering more to you than a candy bar.

 

Do you not see what she is offering apart from sex?

[Almond_Joy]

Notice I did NOT say "ALL".

 

It happens in several forms. In long term relationships and marriage, women often become less sexual and affectionate over time.. while expecting their husbands/boyfriends to become more loving, caring and committed over time.

 

This is confusing.

 

 

Every relationship is different. And for an outsider looking in it's all too easy to look at a snapshot of other people's relationships and label one person as doing more than the other.

 

 

In my relationship, I was very affectionate and intimate. My bf is by nature emotionally reticent and unexpressive. Even though I knew it wasn't malicious or intentional, it still hurt to not have the affection I displayed reciprocated - by all accounts, if we were in public, I imagine it would look like I was clingy or that my bf wasn't interested in me. And it felt like rejection to me. It took several conversations over several months -and an extraordinary effort on both of our parts - for us to establish a more reciprocal relationship in terms of affection. I'm sure that during those months, when we hung out with friends, it would seem like I was unresponsive to him or he to me at different points. We weren't equally reciprocal ALL the time and we still aren't ALL the time. But overall we both feel loved and appreciated by each other.

 

Then you have the age issue. Many women become more picky and have higher standards as they age. Yet they offer less to a man.. especially if he wants many kids as her reproductive years are ending (if not ended).

 

This is confusing.

 

 

As people get older, they get a better understanding of what they can and cannot handle from a relationship partner. That goes for men and women. There are plenty of men who are picky as to who they will spend their life with as they get older also. As you refine your needs, you get pickier.....don't understand what's confusing about that.

 

If you want children, then the inability or reluctance to have children in a woman is a dealbreaker for you. My bf doesn't want children, and neither do most of his friends. So they are in relationships with older women or women who already have older children. If you want children and are looking at women who can't/won't have children - then of course they will not be seen as having alot to offer you because you want children. There are men who do not want children, so this isn't a problem for them at all.

 

 

And finally.. there is the situation where a woman will be very "loose" or promiscuous in her youngest and most attractive years.. giving her body away like candy. Then suddenly when she decides she is ready to get "serious":laugh: .. she makes the new man "earn" or "work for" her body. In other words.. he must now pay for something others got free.

 

This is confusing (and stupid).

 

Thoughts?

 

This ties into self-esteem issues which plague many women. If you want to fault women (or men, this isn't gender-specific) for having low self-esteem then have at it. It's not really something a lot of people know how to overcome or even recognize as the stem of the problem.

 

I haven't slept with a lot of men, but I have struggled with low self-esteem for most of my life. So in my youth, any man that paid attention to me I thought was worth my time, my devotion, my attention and effort. As I got older I realized this was not the case. I had to learn that what I have to offer as a whole person has value and cannot be gotten from just anybody. If you are polite or funny or patient or generous and someone interacts with you that you can see is selfish and rude and negative.....would you clamber to give them what they want, when you can see they have no intention of reciprocating the things you need and want? Women should clamber to do this for men because they gave someone else their devotion in the past who chose not to respect them? Just because someone else got to walk all over or use them doesn't mean you should get that right too. That's king of the logic you're using here. You're faulting women for respecting themselves enough to want to be treated with the respect they give. Well i'll say that I give - I only speak for myself here.

 

In ceasing to be used or exploited, there was no intention on my part of making somebody "work" for what I have to offer. To this day I've never demanded a man to treat me a certain way. The men who value me as a person treat me with the same respect I afford them, unwarranted. If you only value women for sex and their ability to bear children (which is what it sounds like from this post), then most women will seem worthless to you.

 

Summing up the value of any person based on one trait or ability will make them seem worthless, because one requirement alone can be met by a mass of people. A person's value should be based on more than their body or their ability to bear children. You need more than that to function in society and be a human being that someone will enjoy spending their life with.

 

My bf is so much more to me than a "walking wallet" to me, and he was not just looking for someone that can bear children. He wanted someone he can enjoy his life with. We have enriched each others' lives in so many ways (including the sex department ).

 

I hope you find a woman someday that you love and respect as a person and that loves and respects you the way you desire in return. I imagine you'll never understand how men can value and cherish older women with high self-esteem who don't put out ASAP unless you've had someone in your life that really showed you what lifelong love can be like. I know I didn't believe men could until I met my bf.

 

Good luck.

[Anela]

Oh and hamburgers too!

 

How about a chocolate hamburger?

 

Or $2 tacos?

 

The *attitude* is the problem. A woman's value is in how little she puts out, and how subservient she is to men, apparently. Feminism is awful, blah blah blah. As someone else pointed out: the good old days involved men being a "walking wallet" - the days that these same men seem to want to go back to.

 

I would much rather spend time with a decent man, who actually likes women, eating a $2 taco, than one with such a horrible attitude towards women. It's the attitude, not the food.

[Maleficent]

So is sex supposed to be some kind of reward women give to men for good behavior?

 

No.

It isn't supposed to be something owe to men either. Basically, you seem to be saying that if a woman 'gave it up easy' to someone else, she should 'give it up easy' for you and everyone else too.

 

When in the end, the only person deciding who she 'gives it up' to and for 'what price' is the woman herself.

[Maleficent]

I see your point.

 

But the answer to everything in life isn't necessarily: "Just walk away then".

 

Don't question it. Don't have an opinion. Just walk away. Really?

 

Don't like the President? Leave the country. Don't like your co-worker? Quit your job. Don't like your sister? Stop associating with her. Don't like stopping at cross walks? Don't drive. Don't like crime? Live off the grid. Don't like being over worked and under paid? Be homeless.

 

I love your simple solutions.

 

RE:bolded. You're right. But when it comes to interpersonal relationship - especially like the ones you explained in this thread, it does apply.

[dreamingoftigers]

Or $2 tacos?

 

The *attitude* is the problem. A woman's value is in how little she puts out, and how subservient she is to men, apparently. Feminism is awful, blah blah blah. As someone else pointed out: the good old days involved men being a "walking wallet" - the days that these same men seem to want to go back to.

 

I would much rather spend time with a decent man, who actually likes women, eating a $2 taco, than one with such a horrible attitude towards women. It's the attitude, not the food.

 

I happen to really like Tacos.

 

And not in the "explore my lesbian sexuality" sense.

 

Tacos are pretty awesome.

 

This thread is also making me hungry.

[sillyanswer]

Because she's offering more to you than a candy bar.

 

Do you not see what she is offering apart from sex?

 

That's a good point, xxoo, it's not the same candy bar. The $1 candy bar is the one "given away like candy" in her "promiscuous" youth, and the $10 candy bar is the one that comes with a side serving of "serious". Sometimes "serious" really is worth ten times more. ((quotes from the first post))

[somedude81]

I have a female friend that perfectly represents exactly what the OP is talking about. She spent her 20's partying and having sex with every other douchebag she met. I couldn't even imagine how many guys she has been with. She had kids with two different guys, neither of which was ever much of a father. Fast forward to her turning around 30 and she decided she wanted to get married and take up religion. She picked your typical nice guy who has a good job so he can take care of her. When they met, she worked as a CNA making crap money, but at least she had sex with him whenever he wanted. Before they got married, she made him go for 6 months without sex, because even though she was far from a virgin, she thought that was as close as she could come to being one on their wedding night. Now, she has quit her job and goes to school full-time. Her husband gets laid maybe once in a blue moon, because she is too tired and stressed from school. I wager that once she finishes her RN degree and no longer needs him to take care of her, she will suddenly no longer be happy, and find another guy.

 

With all that said, I really don't care what women like her do. I know better than to date them, so it's irrelevant to my life. If they want to ruin their own life, that's on them.

 

While that's a crappy situation for the guy. He's also not a victim because he chose to stick around her.

 

If I was dating a woman who cut off sex for a month without a legitimate reason (and a doctors note) I would drop her without a second thought.

 

 

What bugs me the most about this topic, is that some women actually do cut of sex. Why? If a woman is having great sex with her partner, it seems insane to decide they no longer enjoy it. There has to be a deeper reason.

[dreamingoftigers]

No.

It isn't supposed to be something owe to men either. Basically, you seem to be saying that if a woman 'gave it up easy' to someone else, she should 'give it up easy' for you and everyone else too.

 

When in the end, the only person deciding who she 'gives it up' to and for 'what price' is the woman herself.

 

Could you imagine if we all had accounting ledgers attached to us at the end of each date?

 

"Well it says here that on December 3rd, 1994 that you went out with one Dale Smith and after he bought you two beers, you slept with him. Now, I've just bought you 3 beer so I should at least be getting a handjob! You're 42! Come on!"