The Hierarchy of Submission to God

[M30USA]

God has created a hierarchy whereby each person shows their obedience to God by submitting to the person/persons directly above him/her. We do not like this concept, especially in the egalitarian Western world.

 

The hierarchy is as follows:

 

God/Christ

Man

Woman

Children

 

Want to know if a man is truly obeying God? He will submit to the authority of Christ. If he says he loves God but does not obey Christ, and if it is not evident in his daily life, he is a liar. Do not believe him. (This is according to Christ's own words to the Pharisees. You can read it in all 4 of the Gospels.)

 

Want to know if a woman is obedient to God? Then look if she submits to her husband. This is explosively controversial but it's Biblical. A woman can say all she wants in an emotional expression that she loves God, etc, but if she is stubbornly unsubmissive to her husband, that is exactly how she would respond to God if she met him directly. Believe it.

 

Want to know if a child is obedient to God? Then he or she will obey the parents. Even Jesus obeyed his parents as a youth. What excuse does any child have today?

 

God always has tangible, everyday manifestations of his presence on earth. We don't have to see him directly in person. He has set up the hierarchy so that each person has a "lord", per se, over them. Therefore our actions tell it all. Anyone can say they love God. But there are as many definitions of God on earth as there are people. The Bible has told us how to know who is truly obeying God. We can kick and scream and get angry at this or we can be humble and accept the wisdom of His plan.

Edited December 13, 2014 by M30USA

[Els]

I disagree. This is the true hierarchy of submission to God:

 

1.THE HOLIES -only two are ever going to be in this category. #1: the Flying Spaghetti Monster ( hallowed be his sauce) #2 Prophet Bobby Henderson (the quill of the FSM)

 

2. THE Adm. (of the Navy) - LEFT SIDE: There shall be only one Adm. of the Navy. The Adm. is closest to his saucyness. They shall be able to stay for as long as they want, but they cannot be a lifer. ( but only in "special occasions".) RIGHT SIDE - the head honcho #1 a.k.a. the pope of Pastafari(anism.)

 

3. Vice Adm. -LS- after the first year of being a rear admiral they shall be known as a vice Adm. BUT any Adm. that is vice or rear Adm. shall be in the fleet of Lieut. admirals ( the college of Cardinals)

 

4. Rear Adm.- LS- are those who are Ensign to Commodore who has been selected by the Adm. of the Navy. They shall be considered as such for the first year as a vice admiral but and then after that they shall be known as a vice Adm. They are also in the fleet of Lieut. admirals.

 

5. Commodore - they must be a Capt./pirate whom have received his saucyness to beyond that of a Capt. -RS- here are the archbishops of Pastafarianism.

 

6.Capt./pirate- LS- are members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster who have completed the necessary things to go from Coxswain to Captain. to be at this level means you are very close to his saucyness. -RS- these are the bishops of the church of FSM.

 

7. Boatswain - LS- this is just a fancy title for Coxswains who have completed a good deed for their local area and for the church or the flying spaghetti monster. -RS- Boatswain and Coxswain are Ensigns or sailors ready to become a Capt./pirate.

 

8. Coxswain - LS- are those who have started the process from being an Ensign/Sailor to being a Captain. -RS- Boatswain and Coxswain are Ensigns or sailors ready to become a Capt./pirate.

 

9.Ensign - LS- are sailors/ministers who have been said rank for at least two years. ( this is just a fancier title for those who have been of the cloth longer than others.) -RS- The Ensigns are like "Arch Priests"

 

10. Sailor/Minister -LS- these are members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster would have been ordained, -RS- Sailors are like the "priests"

 

11. Swabby/SHipman/Shipwoman/ SeaM/W -LS- These are the people who have been ordained but are waiting for the certificate to come.

12. Cabineer/ Cabinboy/girl- LS- these are the people who are too young or do not want to be ordained.

13. Mateys - LS- new believers in the church of the flying spaghetti monster. RAmen.

11,12,13 -RS- these are the Laity to the Deacon.

Hierarchy of the FSM

[MrNate 2.0]

You tell em, M30USA.

 

 

I'm tired of women thinking they can just 'do as they please' without checking with a man first.

 

There's a special place in hell for people like Susan B. Anthony and other women's rights advocates.

 

To not submit to a man is to punch a first class ticket to hell.

 

 

You girls better start thinking twice when challenging a man. It's all fun and games until your soul is condemned for eternity.

 

Don't say I didn't warn you.

[M30USA]

The two emotional responses thus far indicate to me that I have spoken truth.

[CarrieT]

I'm submissive to my husband because we have a BDSM relationship.

 

But he is a Christian and I, as an avowed occultist, think the rest regarding obedience to a god a load of horse-sh*t.

[M30USA]

Also take note of how the critics here have ONLY attacked the segment (of three total) which involves women submitting to men. They neither attacked men submitting to Christ nor children submitting to parents. This reveals more about our culture than it does my comments; otherwise there would be equal attacks across the three segments.

[pureinheart]

God has created a hierarchy whereby each person shows their obedience to God by submitting to the person/persons directly above him/her. We do not like this concept, especially in the egalitarian Western world.

 

The hierarchy is as follows:

 

God/Christ

Man

Woman

Children

 

Amen

 

 

Want to know if a man is truly obeying God? He will submit to the authority of Christ. If he says he loves God but does not obey Christ, and if it is not evident in his daily life, he is a liar. Do not believe him. (This is according to Christ's own words to the Pharisees. You can read it in all 4 of the Gospels.)

 

Never had a husband that was able to accomplish this.

 

Want to know if a woman is obedient to God? Then look if she submits to her husband. This is explosively controversial but it's Biblical. A woman can say all she wants in an emotional expression that she loves God, etc, but if she is stubbornly unsubmissive to her husband, that is exactly how she would respond to God if she met him directly. Believe it.

 

I need work on this and it's probably why I'm not married- thinking I'd do better now though. I do much better submitting directly to Christ, again this needs work and need to be continuously aware of this.

 

Want to know if a child is obedient to God? Then he or she will obey the parents. Even Jesus obeyed his parents as a youth. What excuse does any child have today?

 

Kids and grandkids...check, they are extremely submissive.

 

God always has tangible, everyday manifestations of his presence on earth. We don't have to see him directly in person. He has set up the hierarchy so that each person has a "lord", per se, over them. Therefore our actions tell it all. Anyone can say they love God. But there are as many definitions of God on earth as there are people. The Bible has told us how to know who is truly obeying God. We can kick and scream and get angry at this or we can be humble and accept the wisdom of His plan.

 

I have kicked and screamed a lot, but it has leveled out as the Divine Woodshed is no fun.

 

You have a lot of guts M30. In this particular climate, well this is so unpolitically correct:D rock on Brotha!

Edited December 13, 2014 by pureinheart

[todreaminblue]

even jesus submitted to his parents because he was perfect.......none of us are however close to what jesus was and is and always will be..........i will submit to my man if i ever fidn myself there again..... if i believe the man is guiding in righteousness.....not out of control but out of love...i would submit....control is a different matter altogether..i submit because i want to not because i have to..control and domination.them is fightin words........deb

[pureinheart]

I'm submissive to my husband because we have a BDSM relationship.

 

But he is a Christian and I, as an avowed occultist, think the rest regarding obedience to a god a load of horse-sh*t.

 

Man Carrie, you guys technically are radical polar opposites. Having a decent understanding and experience in spiritual warfare, all I can say is WOW. I would imagine you guys are doing fine, so there are only two reasons IMO as to why things are ok...either God has His hand on your relationship to the point where nothing can touch it and there's a major plan, or your husband is not practicing his faith (I mean no offense by this).

[pureinheart]

even jesus submitted to his parents because he was perfect.......none of us are however close to what jesus was and is and always will be..........i will submit to my man if i ever fidn myself there again..... if i believe the man is guiding in righteousness.....not out of control but out of love...i would submit....control is a different matter altogether..i submit because i want to not because i have to..control and domination.them is fightin words........deb

 

You know TDIB according to what I've been taught, the man has one heck of a responsibility and is more accountable to God than the wife concerning how the household flows. Lack of submission with either gender means trouble though- but God will address the male first.

[pureinheart]

Also take note of how the critics here have ONLY attacked the segment (of three total) which involves women submitting to men. They neither attacked men submitting to Christ nor children submitting to parents. This reveals more about our culture than it does my comments; otherwise there would be equal attacks across the three segments.

 

I get what you are saying to some degree, although I have a question. What would it mean if there was an objection to all three?

[Anela]

Also take note of how the critics here have ONLY attacked the segment (of three total) which involves women submitting to men. They neither attacked men submitting to Christ nor children submitting to parents. This reveals more about our culture than it does my comments; otherwise there would be equal attacks across the three segments.

 

I don't believe in the bible. I'm not sure about what might be out there, but I do believe in certain things that people who quote the bible, say will have me burning in hell.

 

And I submit to no-one.

[Els]

The two emotional responses thus far indicate to me that I have spoken truth.

 

Are you insulting my faith in His Holiness the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[3blindmice]

I'd love to see you post that on a message board for nuns. I'm sure they could quote from the bible much better than me who has spent the last 22 years being made fun of for believing in God by my stbx. That is what gives me pause in wanting to live forever. If someone can take your faith in the goodness of people and shatter it like mine has been. I don't want to know that someone anymore, instead I want to know the goodness of God and his son. Cause mankind makes a good destroyer of faith, hope, and peace. I have no intention of ever having another relationship with anyone ever again. I'd rather put my faith in God because I'll never be disappointed again.

[amaysngrace]

All dysfunctional relationships take two to tango.

 

I'm glad this truth came out!

[xxoo]

Also take note of how the critics here have ONLY attacked the segment (of three total) which involves women submitting to men. They neither attacked men submitting to Christ nor children submitting to parents. This reveals more about our culture than it does my comments; otherwise there would be equal attacks across the three segments.

 

Because it's the most absurd part. Adult women submitting to a flawed human rather than to god? Logic shows the conflict here.

 

But the absurdities continue: Children don't submit to fathers, only mothers?

 

This would all work out well only on the ideal, with perfect humans, starting with a perfect man perfectly submitting to god. Never happens in the real world. But nice try by early Christians to control the women.

[CarrieT]

I would imagine you guys are doing fine

We are doing fabulously, actually. And my husband's teenage kids (my step kids), even know and understand the concept that I am an occultist - without knowing specifics.

 

so there are only two reasons IMO as to why things are ok...either God has His hand on your relationship to the point where nothing can touch it and there's a major plan, or your husband is not practicing his faith (I mean no offense by this).

This is what *I* find offensive about Christians in general: You are only seeing TWO different possibilities to my particular situation. In your mind, because of a myopic and skewed view due to your "faith," you have to align a reality outside your conception to a dogma that may not align with another's.

[skydiveaddict]

 

But he is a Christian and I, as an avowed occultist, think the rest regarding obedience to a god a load of horse-sh*t.

 

You best stay away from that occult ****. It's dangerous

[CarrieT]

You best stay away from that occult ****. It's dangerous

 

Thanks for the warning.

 

Considering I am 50 years old and have been involved in various sects since I was 14, you'll understand that I don't think there is anything for me to worry about.

[skydiveaddict]

Thanks for the warning.

 

Considering I am 50 years old and have been involved in various sects since I was 14, you'll understand that I don't think there is anything for me to worry about.

 

Still it aint good. You're messing with stuff that can really turn into a huge nightmare

[autumnnight]

I think the problem people have is because they don't really understand the use of the word submit in this context. In that same chapter, God says to "submit to one another in love." When we think of submit in modern terms we think of subjugation or being bossed around. We think maybe in terms of a job hierarchy where the employee has less power or worth than the boss.

 

That is not what submit means. It's more about respect and honor and plain old practical speaking. I believe in Biblical submission and you better believe I am not some weaky shrinking violet. I have a voice and opinions and expertise. It isn't about letting some man keep me in line and telling me what to do. It is about respecting a man who love Jesus and loves me and coming alongside him in support.

 

If I look at these directives, the man has the toughest job. He not only has to understand Christ's love, he has to love me in the same way Christ loved the church and "gave Himself up for her." If a man loves God and loves me like that I have no trouble respecting him or trusting that he is, well, trustworthy.

 

And if you look at the parent thing, right after it says for children to obey their parents it says for parents not to provoke their children to wrath. Everything in God's word has balance.

 

And as far as that whole childish spaghetti monster thing goes, this forum is entitled religion and spirituality so if a person believes in nothing then I'm not really sure why they are even commenting. I'm not an OW so I don't go busting in the OW forum and I'm not gay so I don't go busting into one of those threads. Because it's childish.

[CarrieT]

Still it aint good.

Good for whom?

 

Still it aint good. You're messing with stuff that can really turn into a huge nightmare

Do you know what I am "messing with?" Again, I have 35 YEARS experience.

 

It is the same as a car: Without having proper instruction in its use, driving it in a crowd could "turn into a huge nightmare" because of ignorance in its instruction.

 

With proper training, guidance, and practice, a powerful tool in the hands of someone with experience can operate said vehicle with ease.

[skydiveaddict]

 

Do you know what I am "messing with?" Again, I have 35 YEARS experience.

 

The occult. At least that's my understanding.

 

I'm not trying to pick a fight here.

 

But you are opening doors that should never be opened. That stuff is dangerous ****

[M30USA]

And I submit to no-one.

 

What about the cops? What about your boss at work? Sounds like you'd make a bad employee and get fired quickly.

[M30USA]

You know TDIB according to what I've been taught, the man has one heck of a responsibility and is more accountable to God than the wife concerning how the household flows. Lack of submission with either gender means trouble though- but God will address the male first.

 

This is true. But, from my observation of most relationships today, women put the burden/responsibility on men (everything is his fault) AND they still don't submit (he can't tell me what to do). If a woman is going to make her husband the scapegoat for everything, she logically should be submitting to him. On the flipside, if she chooses not to submit to him, she logically should not blame him for everything. It's "either or".

Edited December 13, 2014 by M30USA