The Hierarchy of Submission to God

[M30USA]

I get what you are saying to some degree, although I have a question. What would it mean if there was an objection to all three?

 

It would mean they are at least consistent in their objection to submission (a more respectable position which holds up better in debate). But, as it stands, the focal point of their objection is on women submitting to men. This is where Satan has found the easiest breach into the chain and it's clearly evident in our society.

[M30USA]

Because it's the most absurd part. Adult women submitting to a flawed human rather than to god? Logic shows the conflict here.

 

But the absurdities continue: Children don't submit to fathers, only mothers?

 

This would all work out well only on the ideal, with perfect humans, starting with a perfect man perfectly submitting to god. Never happens in the real world. But nice try by early Christians to control the women.

 

God instructs us to submit to the established government (which is flawed as well). Having a flawed entity above you is not an excuse for lack of submission. By your logic, children should therefore not submit to parents because we, as parents, are flawed.

[xxoo]

God instructs us to submit to the established government (which is flawed as well). Having a flawed entity above you is not an excuse for lack of submission. By your logic, children should therefore not submit to parents because we, as parents, are flawed.

 

I support civil disobedience. I also do not want my children to blindly submit to us. I want them to question and develop critical thinking skills and relationship skills. Cooperation over submission.

 

And...because my kids are smart and good problem solvers....sometimes they have better wisdom than me and we end up going with their ideas instead of mine. Thank goodness they don't submit!

Edited December 13, 2014 by xxoo

[M30USA]

I support civil disobedience. I also do not want my children to blindly submit to us. I want them to question and develop critical thinking skills and relationship skills. Cooperation over submission.

 

Right. You are teaching children those skills because EVENTUALLY they will not submit to you and others will be submitting to them, so they better learn these skulls, right?

[Rejected Rosebud]

Also take note of how the critics here have ONLY attacked the segment (of three total) which involves women submitting to men. They neither attacked men submitting to Christ nor children submitting to parents. This reveals more about our culture than it does my comments; otherwise there would be equal attacks across the three segments.

Mostly because we either are women or like women and are personally offended by it! But the whole thing is ridiculous, really christian believers submit to christ whether they are men or women, and children submit to adults ( not women specifically) because they are dependent just like baby kittens to cats, who probably aren't submitting to anything but the laws of nature like the rest of us animals!!!!

[xxoo]

Right. You are teaching children those skills because EVENTUALLY they will not submit to you and others will be submitting to them, so they better learn these skulls, right?

 

No. I'm not teaching them not to approach interpersonal relationships by the submission paradigm. I don't model or value it at all.

 

My dog must submit to me, though.

[M30USA]

Ah, so your dogs must submit to you? Well, I wonder what the canine community thinks about that. I hear the egalitarian movement is surging among the dogs. Watch out. They have sharp teeth.

[sillyanswer]

I disagree. This is the true hierarchy of submission to God:

 

1.THE HOLIES -only two are ever going to be in this category. #1: the Flying Spaghetti Monster ( hallowed be his sauce) #2 Prophet Bobby Henderson (the quill of the FSM)

 

Since the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma I hereby reject this hierarchy, although of course His Holy Noodliness clearly remains at the top.

[dreamingoftigers]

I can't believe that I read all of this.

 

"RAmen" nice touch. LOL

And wouldn't that be something if God did often take on the shape of a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

I disagree. This is the true hierarchy of submission to God:

 

1.THE HOLIES -only two are ever going to be in this category. #1: the Flying Spaghetti Monster ( hallowed be his sauce) #2 Prophet Bobby Henderson (the quill of the FSM)

 

2. THE Adm. (of the Navy) - LEFT SIDE: There shall be only one Adm. of the Navy. The Adm. is closest to his saucyness. They shall be able to stay for as long as they want, but they cannot be a lifer. ( but only in "special occasions".) RIGHT SIDE - the head honcho #1 a.k.a. the pope of Pastafari(anism.)

 

3. Vice Adm. -LS- after the first year of being a rear admiral they shall be known as a vice Adm. BUT any Adm. that is vice or rear Adm. shall be in the fleet of Lieut. admirals ( the college of Cardinals)

 

4. Rear Adm.- LS- are those who are Ensign to Commodore who has been selected by the Adm. of the Navy. They shall be considered as such for the first year as a vice admiral but and then after that they shall be known as a vice Adm. They are also in the fleet of Lieut. admirals.

 

5. Commodore - they must be a Capt./pirate whom have received his saucyness to beyond that of a Capt. -RS- here are the archbishops of Pastafarianism.

 

6.Capt./pirate- LS- are members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster who have completed the necessary things to go from Coxswain to Captain. to be at this level means you are very close to his saucyness. -RS- these are the bishops of the church of FSM.

 

7. Boatswain - LS- this is just a fancy title for Coxswains who have completed a good deed for their local area and for the church or the flying spaghetti monster. -RS- Boatswain and Coxswain are Ensigns or sailors ready to become a Capt./pirate.

 

8. Coxswain - LS- are those who have started the process from being an Ensign/Sailor to being a Captain. -RS- Boatswain and Coxswain are Ensigns or sailors ready to become a Capt./pirate.

 

9.Ensign - LS- are sailors/ministers who have been said rank for at least two years. ( this is just a fancier title for those who have been of the cloth longer than others.) -RS- The Ensigns are like "Arch Priests"

 

10. Sailor/Minister -LS- these are members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster would have been ordained, -RS- Sailors are like the "priests"

 

11. Swabby/SHipman/Shipwoman/ SeaM/W -LS- These are the people who have been ordained but are waiting for the certificate to come.

12. Cabineer/ Cabinboy/girl- LS- these are the people who are too young or do not want to be ordained.

13. Mateys - LS- new believers in the church of the flying spaghetti monster. RAmen.

11,12,13 -RS- these are the Laity to the Deacon.

Hierarchy of the FSM

[sillyanswer]

Good for whom?

 

 

Do you know what I am "messing with?" Again, I have 35 YEARS experience.

 

It is the same as a car: Without having proper instruction in its use, driving it in a crowd could "turn into a huge nightmare" because of ignorance in its instruction.

 

With proper training, guidance, and practice, a powerful tool in the hands of someone with experience can operate said vehicle with ease.

 

Car analogies are funny things. I think a better way to look at this is to say that some people mess with Christianity and have it turn out to be a huge nightmare, too.

[xxoo]

Car analogies are funny things. I think a better way to look at this is to say that some people mess with Christianity and have it turn out to be a huge nightmare, too.

 

Holy Flying Spaghetti, yes.

 

The same is true for all religions.

[dreamingoftigers]

Holy Flying Spaghetti, yes.

 

The same is true for all religions.

 

Or most anything at all.....

[M30USA]

And wouldn't that be something if God did often take on the shape of a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

God is even more strange a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Just look at what the Bible says about him. Evidently he glows like hot metal, he has various colors swirling around him, and he can also fly in the midst of the chariots of fire. Flying Spaghetti Monster? The real God is a lot cooler.

[dreamingoftigers]

God is even more strange a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Just look at what the Bible says about him. Evidently he glows like hot metal, he has various colors swirling around him, and he can also fly in the midst of the chariots of fire. Flying Spaghetti Monster? The real God is a lot cooler.

 

Is some of this from Ezekiel?

[M30USA]

Is some of this from Ezekiel?

 

Nice job! Look at you! All those traits are from Ezekiel 1, except for the part about being in the midst of fiery chariots, which is from Psalm 68.

[dreamingoftigers]

Nice job! Look at you! All those traits are from Ezekiel 1, except for the part about being in the midst of fiery chariots, which is from Psalm 68.

 

I need to read more.

 

I just realized its been 13 years since I read it.

[pureinheart]

We are doing fabulously, actually. And my husband's teenage kids (my step kids), even know and understand the concept that I am an occultist - without knowing specifics.

 

I am sincerely happy for you guys. Finding love and happiness can be difficult these days. If it works for you guys, then rock on gf!

 

This is what *I* find offensive about Christians in general: You are only seeing TWO different possibilities to my particular situation. In your mind, because of a myopic and skewed view due to your "faith," you have to align a reality outside your conception to a dogma that may not align with another's.

 

There are probably more possibilities, it was late when I posted last night and those were right off the top of my head. Just my opinion and in reality means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

Carrie, I know you've had approx 35 years experience with the occult, although I agree with SDA...be careful girl. Again, our opinion, so please refer to the first sentence:)

[Anela]

What about the cops? What about your boss at work? Sounds like you'd make a bad employee and get fired quickly.

 

Oh, for heaven's sake. I haven't been bothered by the police, and when you work for someone, you do not have to do absolutely anything they say. That is what I see as submission.

[pureinheart]

This is true. But, from my observation of most relationships today, women put the burden/responsibility on men (everything is his fault) AND they still don't submit (he can't tell me what to do). If a woman is going to make her husband the scapegoat for everything, she logically should be submitting to him. On the flipside, if she chooses not to submit to him, she logically should not blame him for everything. It's "either or".

 

I was also taught (remember this is from my perspective) that regardless of whether the husband is submitting to Christ, I need to submit to him, unless this submission would require for me to sin. Keep in mind I understand sin is sin, although there are little things that I don't think phase God and that I would need to blow off, giving them to God while submitting (hope that made sense).

 

You know M30, few take responsibility for their actions these days...and it is 'these days' as it wasn't too long ago where most people had high levels of self accountability. We see this lack of accountability in almost everything now...lying is the norm, self absorption is the norm, deflection is the norm.

 

For me, I've gone back and forth in this process of figuring out where either 'him(s)' or me went wrong. It's not something I dwell on, but is triggered from time to time, I'm quite sure you understand what I mean here...bottom line in my case(s) is we were both at fault. I lacked understanding big time...

[BC1980]

Still it aint good. You're messing with stuff that can really turn into a huge nightmare

 

You could say the same of any religion.

[Daisy-oliviaWentcher]

You tell em, M30USA.

 

 

I'm tired of women thinking they can just 'do as they please' without checking with a man first.

 

There's a special place in hell for people like Susan B. Anthony and other women's rights advocates.

 

To not submit to a man is to punch a first class ticket to hell.

 

 

You girls better start thinking twice when challenging a man. It's all fun and games until your soul is condemned for eternity.

 

Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

 

I guess the same applies if a man does not love his woman as much as Jesus loves the church. Then he would get a first class ticket to hell? But so many men in the church do not love their wives in this way. They're controlling, manipulative, and shove and push their wives. Feminists exist because men do not do their job in caring for their wives in the first place. You guys better think twice when hurting a woman and controlling her. It's all fun and games until your soul is condemned for eternity.

[dreamingoftigers]

I guess the same applies if a man does not love his woman as much as Jesus loves the church. Then he would get a first class ticket to hell? But so many men in the church do not love their wives in this way. They're controlling, manipulative, and shove and push their wives. Feminists exist because men do not do their job in caring for their wives in the first place. You guys better think twice when hurting a woman and controlling her. It's all fun and games until your soul is condemned for eternity.

 

Everyone seems to jump to the Go to Hell stage.

 

I never understood why that was.

[pureinheart]

Everyone seems to jump to the Go to Hell stage.

 

I never understood why that was.

 

Wow...good point DOT, really good.

[pureinheart]

I guess the same applies if a man does not love his woman as much as Jesus loves the church. Then he would get a first class ticket to hell? But so many men in the church do not love their wives in this way. They're controlling, manipulative, and shove and push their wives. Feminists exist because men do not do their job in caring for their wives in the first place. You guys better think twice when hurting a woman and controlling her. It's all fun and games until your soul is condemned for eternity.

 

Back in the day there was a need to change laws and such as there were some really stupid laws. Today I don't see a need for the level of 'feminism' that exists, which in this case, I say follow the money.

[Anela]

Everyone seems to jump to the Go to Hell stage.

 

I never understood why that was.

 

I was told by a Christian family member, that I would go to hell if I didn't pray.

 

What I want to know is: why do certain men need for a woman to submit to them? Why can't they be strong enough to deal with a woman, just the way she is?