Anela Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 When it comes to the women in the photos, I think they're beautiful, and have nothing to be ashamed of. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
gaius Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Actually I know social conditioning is one part of this and ive even said its not the driving force in ALL mens decisions but thats some how been ignored and its been made that im saying this is the main driving factor for all men by a few men here who seamed to get insulted I even mentioned it in the first place.. I'm not insulted tiger, I think you're on the right track. But I think the fact we now like thin girls when we used to like chunky ones is more to do with food being expensive and not in such abundance back then than simply magazines and stuff. A status order develops based on many different factors and the media of the time simply reflects that. It's not the driving force. Right now thin women represent control, wealth, high status while fat ones represent a loss of control, poverty, low ambition, that kind of thing. Whether it's fair or not. =/ You're right though, an incredible amount of men's sexuality is driven by status more than some biology that's attracted to a certain body type. As much as a lot of men don't like to think they're that douchey and influenced by others, it's true. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
gaius Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 When it comes to the women in the photos, I think they're beautiful, and have nothing to be ashamed of. My first feeling was to feel a little sorry for them, since they're very pretty but saddled with all that extra weight. =/ Like a guy who could be a rocket scientist working at McDonalds. But I don't know them personally. There's a good chance I could find them very attractive if I did. Link to post Share on other sites
D.Mc. Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 So...Cosmo get's off Santa's "naughty" list by showing plus sized models (& a whole half an article about them too!) for one day?? This gives them dispensation to have nothing but photo shopped 16 y.o.'s in their rag for the other 364 days of the year? I'm still waiting for male bodies to be held up the scrutiny females have been enduring since the time of the "Willendorf Venus"...you have to believe there was some Neolithic guy looking at it for the 1st time saying "Ooma's thighs too big eat too much mammoth..." Link to post Share on other sites
guest569 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 My issue is that society and the media have such strong views on how women should or should not appear! When a woman's appearance is constantly, heavily scrutinised simply for being in the public eye. Because we are put on this earth to sit and look pretty and attract men? We are so much more than bodies to be harshly judged by strangers. Its disheartening to see a world leader trying to make positive changes but all anyone cares about is her weight or her hair colour or what she is wearing. Honestly i don't really care how another persons body should or could look. I'm only concerned about my own. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
guest569 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Oh, and I've been through it all. Overweight, underweight, anorexia, vomiting, binging. Sounds drastic but you might be surprised how easy it is to go down these paths. There are often underlying mental health issues that many people don't understand or take into account. Even some of the comments on here suggesting that women carry out excessive exercise with minimal food intake. What you're recommending is pretty serious and you don't know where it could lead. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
braindamage Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Umm...no. Just no. This is just one of the many cop-outs that is always brought up in these discussions. I like what I like because I like it, not because I was conditioned to like it. Much easier to believe men are attracted to the wrong women because of the evil media than it is to believe the other women are just not attractive. It wouldn't exactly change overnight but given the right amount of time the 'ideal' would shift with what's presented as desirable. You're underestimating how much humans want to fit the mold - and that's for sure an evolutionary trait we inherit. Link to post Share on other sites
Radu Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I'm not pro models who are thin and have no shapes, but those 2 could stand to loose a little weight [not much though]. Maybe not Marina Bulatkina, but Denise Bidot ... definitely. Link to post Share on other sites
Weezy1973 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 People need to separate body image from self image. Just because someone is overweight doesn't mean they have less worth as human beings. Unfortunately, I think many overweight people do have low self worth because of their body image and mistakenly tie these things together. That being said, people should feel guilty for living an unhealthy lifestyle, whether that's smoking cigarettes, not exercising or eating sweets and fast food. That's our mind's way of trying to make sure we do the right thing. Guilt is good. Shame is not. People that are overweight are just as worthy as those that aren't. But they still should change their lifestyle. Link to post Share on other sites
Danda Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I think it's crazy that they are considered "fat" by so many people. They have smooth skin and are curvy, even their calves are curvy. They could put "thick" or "curvy" in an OLD profile and it would be legit. I don't have the same type of build they gave, so if I weighed as much as either of them, then I would probably be "fat" because I would have flab goin on, flabby butt and stomach and so on. But with their builds they look smooth/shapely at those wights, even have shoulder blade definition and such, as well as the hour glass dip between their hips/boobs. All about how one is carrying their weight and how in shape they are, which has nothing to do with numbers on the scale or pants. Women who were not created as curvy/shapely have to be more slender to show off a distinctly female shape; if we get up on the scale we just look like we are melting with flab. But naturally thick/curvy women can fill it in nicely. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SomeDude16 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 As long as you're not putting down someone I care about, I give zero ****s what someone thinks is beautiful. But once you do, were gonna have a problem. Other than that, you do you. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
sillyanswer Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I think it's crazy that they are considered "fat" by so many people. Even having said what I said in an earlier post I think I take almost the complete opposite view here: I think it's close to crazy that anyone could consider them to be "not fat". They are both clearly overweight. Being overweight is why they are the subject of these photos. (I think that's a separate issue from whether they are beautiful, and separate again from whether their weight is healthy.) They have smooth skin and are curvy, even their calves are curvy. They could put "thick" or "curvy" in an OLD profile and it would be legit. Yes, although in an OLD profile those sound like just euphemisms for "fat" or "overweight". Right next to "a little extra" which really means "a lot extra". All about how one is carrying their weight and how in shape they are, which has nothing to do with numbers on the scale or pants. Yes, different people carry weight differently and can look very different at the same weight. I think it's possible to be overweight and beautiful, and overweight and sexy. Those women are overweight. I happen to think they are also beautiful, although I accept that this is somewhat subjective. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
dichotomy Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) I'm still waiting for male bodies to be held up the scrutiny females have been enduring since the time of the "Willendorf Venus"...you have to believe there was some Neolithic guy looking at it for the 1st time saying "Ooma's thighs too big eat too much mammoth..." The tide is turning (but ok not as bad as women). Male body issues are growing with the media's obsession with showing ultra fit bodies (male and female) on magazines and movies and TV. For men it is not enough to be thin or maybe some muscle - its the combination of both low body fat and noticeable sized and ripped lean muscles is is affecting men more and more. Not to mention the increasing prevalence of free online porn and what rare male genetic trait is on full Monty (magic mike) display there. Among the fastest growing users of plastic surgery is men. We men ARE getting it badly more and more these days - not that we should - nor should women. I think perhaps however, because women have suffered too long, the recent body shaming of men - we get no sympathy. Its like some cruel "its your turn - ha!" stage in our society. Edited December 27, 2014 by dichotomy 2 Link to post Share on other sites
HazyCosmicJive Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 The tide is turning (but ok not as bad as women). Male body issues are growing with the media's obsession with showing ultra fit bodies (male and female) on magazines and movies and TV. For men it is not enough to be thin or maybe some muscle - its the combination of both low body fat and noticeable sized and ripped lean muscles is is affecting men more and more. Not to mention the increasing prevalence of free online porn and what rare male genetic trait is on full Monty (magic mike) display there. Among the fastest growing users of plastic surgery is men. We men ARE getting it badly more and more these days - not that we should - nor should women. I think perhaps however, because women have suffered too long, the recent body shaming of men - we get no sympathy. Its like some cruel "its your turn - ha!" stage in our society. I don't know. I think it's a matter of your self-esteem and confidence as well as keeping things in perspective. When I see those ripped guys on magazines, I realize that it's their job to look like that and it's not realistic to expect to have that physique. I don't compare myself to professionals, I compare myself to other guys like me - desk jockeys . Also, even those guys don't look that ripped all the time. It's nearly impossible to maintain that low level of body fat constantly, and I don't even think it's healthy. It's just a moment in time captured on film. That said, much of it isn't even real - it's safe to assume that any photo in a magazine has been touched up and air brushed, whether it's a man or a woman. Besides, by the time you get into bed with a woman, she already wants to have sex with you and probably doesn't care if you have a six pack. Anyway, when I see those fit, ripped pictures I don't get insecure, I use it as motivation. If you're a confident person that's how you look at it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
mario_C Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I admit, I'm waiting for Esquire and GQ to do a spread of plus-sized male models. Wouldn't you like to have seen a more risque version of Louis CK's photo shoot? And I'm waiting for women's magazines to include men with proportionate amounts of fat all over their bellies and thighs in their photo spreads, to go along with the ripped up, bone hard bodies they always include. I won't hold my breath. Anyway, the models are really hot and whatever. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bathtub-row Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think being overweight is beautiful because it's not the natural state for our bodies. It's not healthy, either. I'm not saying that anyone should hate themselves while being overweight, but I still think not being overweight is the best option. I know it's really difficult though as we age and hormones play tricks on us. Those women are beautiful but, did you notice that they don't have fat faces? Not sure how they pull that off but that actually has a lot to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't think being overweight is beautiful because it's not the natural state for our bodies. It's not healthy, either. I'm not saying that anyone should hate themselves while being overweight, but I still think not being overweight is the best option. I know it's really difficult though as we age and hormones play tricks on us. Those women are beautiful but, did you notice that they don't have fat faces? Not sure how they pull that off but that actually has a lot to do with it. you are right bathtub ....unfortunately.....a woman can get away with a curvy figure but if her curves are visible as rolls under her chin.....not many men would find that attractive....the ones who are aesthetically minded...i can find beauty in every person though....i would hope ....all guys would do that with every woman....being overweight is often as another poster said,symptomatic of deeper underlying issues......i do believe the women are beautiful...but not in a popular sense...deb 1 Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 As long as you're not putting down someone I care about, I give zero ****s what someone thinks is beautiful. But once you do, were gonna have a problem. Other than that, you do you. Looks like the topic became a zombie thread...but the following is a spot on (in my opinion) perspective on this... Most Thin Models are Healthy - Get Used to It The basic premise is that the "thin is unhealthy" movement is a result of jealousy and insecurity by a growing population (pun intended). And as the article points out, the best way to prop oneself up is to knock everyone else down. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
HazyCosmicJive Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Looks like the topic became a zombie thread...but the following is a spot on (in my opinion) perspective on this... Most Thin Models are Healthy - Get Used to It The basic premise is that the "thin is unhealthy" movement is a result of jealousy and insecurity by a growing population (pun intended). And as the article points out, the best way to prop oneself up is to knock everyone else down. After being told on this thread that I really don't like think women and that I'm just socially conditioned, I can see that many women are merely jealous of what they don't have. Link to post Share on other sites
Weezy1973 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Looks like the topic became a zombie thread...but the following is a spot on (in my opinion) perspective on this... Most Thin Models are Healthy - Get Used to It The basic premise is that the "thin is unhealthy" movement is a result of jealousy and insecurity by a growing population (pun intended). And as the article points out, the best way to prop oneself up is to knock everyone else down. Nearly 2/3 of people (men and women) in North America are overweight, whereas about 2% of people are underweight. And less than 1% of adults over 25 are underweight. Humans are designed to be what we now call "slim". Both men and women. Underweight is barely a problem. Overweight is a huge problem. But that, the actual facts, never seems to sink into people's heads... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Nearly 2/3 of people (men and women) in North America are overweight, whereas about 2% of people are underweight. And less than 1% of adults over 25 are underweight. Humans are designed to be what we now call "slim". Both men and women. Underweight is barely a problem. Overweight is a huge problem. But that, the actual facts, never seems to sink into people's heads... It sinks in. One concern is that the idealization of unattainably thin (for most) contributes to disordered eating, including obesity. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
PogoStick Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I think it's close to crazy that anyone could consider them to be "not fat". They are both clearly overweight. Bidot at 5'9 and 200 lbs is medically on the edge of Obese, and she's only in her 20s. She is at increased risk of obesity related disease. Most people in her situation will continue to gain weight as they age which will increase their risks even more. Which is the greater evil? (in the US): 1 in 3 are obese roughly 1 in 20 women have an eating disorder, and 60% make full recovery. For men the number is maybe 1 in 100. Link to post Share on other sites
Weezy1973 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 It sinks in. One concern is that the idealization of unattainably thin (for most) contributes to disordered eating, including obesity. Agh!! This is my point! If people are living healthy lifestyles, they are, for the most part, going to be slim! But, on another note, people should NOT be placing their self-worth on their physical appearance. I think that is what actually causes disordered eating. Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 After being told on this thread that I really don't like think women and that I'm just socially conditioned, I can see that many women are merely jealous of what they don't have. Well my response to them is, what's wrong with being socially conditioned...? I'm socially conditioned to not rape and murder...is that a bad thing to be influenced by the very society I live in...? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
bathtub-row Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I don't think it's about being socially conditioned, but as mentioned above, social conditioning isn't necessarily a bad thing. Let's face it, being slim just looks better. It's also healthier. When I was in my 20's, it was extremely hard for me to gain weight. I'm astounded at the number of young people who are overweight these days, those models included. And, as a side point, what's with all the white stuff that's being slathered all over them? Is that supposed to distract us? Link to post Share on other sites
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