Can steriods ever be used safely?

[thefooloftheyear]

Are steroids some mystical drug that doesn't follow the rules of other drugs? No.

 

Can steroids be used with relative safety? Yes.

 

Can YOU use steroids safely? Unknown.

 

edit: Note that currently about 11 million women in the US are taking steroids daily. aka progesterone, aka the birth control pill.

 

True...

 

And ask them(women) how fcked up it makes them..AND its done under a protocol thats been carefully metered for safety....which no gym steroid user ever follows..

 

The problem with most guys, and where they get in trouble, is that they just see it as an linear progression of how much they use in relation to what they think they will achieve..So. if 300mg is good than a 1000 is better and 2000 is optimal..No doctor supervision..No clue that what they bought from the guy at the gym is either the potency its supposed to be, sterile, real, fake, etc...

 

And its been my experience that the guys with the shyttiest genetics are the biggest abusers...So they either go nowhere, or they just have larger shytty physiques..Dont see the point there..

 

TFY

[ascendotum]

True...

 

And ask them(women) how fcked up it makes them..AND its done under a protocol thats been carefully metered for safety....which no gym steroid user ever follows..

 

The problem with most guys, and where they get in trouble, is that they just see it as an linear progression of how much they use in relation to what they think they will achieve..So. if 300mg is good than a 1000 is better and 2000 is optimal..No doctor supervision..No clue that what they bought from the guy at the gym is either the potency its supposed to be, sterile, real, fake, etc...

 

And its been my experience that the guys with the shyttiest genetics are the biggest abusers...So they either go nowhere, or they just have larger shytty physiques..Dont see the point there..

 

TFY

 

Reading up on some of the juice monkeys back in the 80s/90s lots seem to have that spirit when it came to the gear. If 2 dbols a day is good then 12 is 6 times better. Some of these guys were kamakazees (reading their protocols) - Live life to the max and leave a great looking corpse I remember was one guys motto. Its not as under ground and as exclusively hardcore as it used to be I don't think. I know a few users and they are not total jerk roid heads. Most have careers and they are more out for a great 'muscular fitness' body (asap not in 10 yrs time) and not out for trophies. They take it in moderation. At same time I can remember training in a couple of gyms back in 90s were it was really obvious who was on the gear and they were generally total hot head arrogant jerks (they lifted HEAVY too)

 

Going full tilt takes a lot of $ plus you then need to be thorough with PCT + take a number of ancillary meds to deal with side effects and be well connected. Still its a bit scary when you have teenagers with attitude like the OP saying I'll grab some off my mate and give it a go for a month without being fully educated on them or really knowing the quality.

 

I'm really surprised to read some of the big names (in BB and wrestling) in the last few years dropping dead in their 40s. So many I remember from when I was younger and into whose who on the scene more then. I think its pretty clear it will shorten your life quite a bit if you go full tilt on it, and I'm sure many of those guys knew it and went for it and lived and died doing what they love.

Edited January 13, 2015 by ascendotum

[NGC1300]

Steroids are bad news, look at all the wrestlers from the 90s, most of them dead due to heart failure because of use of them.

 

 

MOST of the wrestlers from the 90's are dead, huh?

 

By the way, with the exception of Sergio Olivia and Larry Scott (who died at ages 71 and 75) every single Mr. Olympia since the contests inception in 1965 is still alive. Many are now nearing or are in their 70's with no major health problems to speak of. All of these guys were using steroids for years. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands competing against them and using the drugs as well.

 

So, show me someone who "died in their 40's from steroids use", and I'll show you 10 people that didn't.

 

I'm not saying steroids are 100% safe because no drug is 100% safe. I just don't understand people arguing from these absurd anecdotes, pointing to a handful of wrestlers and drug abusers, and concluding steroids will kill you. Why would you even entertain the idea that this is a logical argument?

 

I guess we should never drink alcohol because it kills a couple million people per year worldwide, right?

 

Please don't use them. Ever

 

He's already using them. Steroids are produced in the body naturally. This isn't heroin and crack we're talking about.

Edited January 17, 2015 by NGC1300

[NGC1300]

I'm really surprised to read some of the big names (in BB and wrestling) in the last few years dropping dead in their 40s.

 

And do you think those guys were doing 1 or 2 500mg cycles of testosterone a year, or do you think maybe they were taking a boatload of other compounds for extended periods?

 

 

btw, being 300+ lbs isn't healthy or easy on the heart no matter what. It doesn't matter if you're all muscle.

[rocketman122]

Op, there are tons of great website that give great info and guide people who want to take so e gear for enhancement. Train well eat well which is priority. Gear is not yo be used to compensate for lack of the first two. Gear is the cherry on top. Dont be a douche and go to sites and post without reading first. They have tons of stickies and faq. You will be ridiculed and laughed at and not taken seriously if you dont do your homework. No one wants to help someone who doesnt show hes serious and help himself. No one will give it to u on a gold plate. All the work is on you to read. Read everyday for an hour for a week before considering posting even. Im dead serious

 

 

If youre yonger than 23/24 dont touch it. If you havent trained two full years with a proper diet dont take it. You need to get your base in check first otherwise youre just wasting your money. Dont be those douches who want it easy. Im a firm believer in hard work is the only way. Im a bodybuilder but lean more towards powerlifter mindset. I believe in heavy weights sweat and practically passing out is the only way to get big. People look for an easy way out. firm brliever of the mike mentzer hit training and no thats not that faggotasz hiit. Its not for everyone. Not many can do it. Its for the very strong minded.

Edited January 18, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
removed pot shot at another poster

[Taramere]

And why do you want to use steroids? For the admiration of women? Trust me, even if you're super skinny and find it difficult to put on lean size....you can and it'll be enough for most women. There are guys at my gym that are obviously on it and they don't do that well with women. Being huge is niche market, you're better off being fit and somewhat muscular for the majority share and you don't need steroids for that.

 

When I see a man who's absolutely huge with muscles and has a very veiny look, I suspect my reaction is similar to the reaction a man would have to an extremely anorexic, bony looking woman. The people who are attracted to either are probably outliers. Most people are attracted to healthy looking individuals. Physically and mentally.

 

Bodybuilding Obsession Leading To 'Bigorexia'

 

Somebody who's forever fixated on images of maleness that couldn't be achieved without the use of steroids, who holds that up as an ideal and mimics the use of steroids to get that physique won't think there's anything wrong with that. Much in the same way that anorexics will worship the thinnest women in celebrity culture (the ones whose physique owes much to an eating disorder). In both cases, they're going to see something that others may well view as very disordered as just being a lifestyle choice.

 

The main difference I'd see between the two is that other people are more likely to intervene where it's a woman who is displaying obsessive and potentially risky behaviours associated with unusual notions of what the ideal human body looks like. There are probably a lot of reasons for that, but no doubt you could see some of those reasons in forums devoted to bodybuilding - where those who question the use of steroids or the notion that there's such thing as "too big" or "too little fat" are probably mocked in a very effective way.

 

If a guy's built like Atlas, people are probably not going to want to mess with him, frankly. So I'm sure women will keep their opinions to themselves. But yeah, I should think most would prefer men who are nicely toned but have enough of a fat coverage to have that glossy, smooth look as opposed to the more freakishly bulky and veiny look that a minority of bodybuilders seem to aspire to with the aid of steroids.

 

Plus, whatever the prevailing view in that community might be regarding a relationship between steroid use and aggression, I don't think many people outside of that community would want to take the chance of getting involved with somebody who uses steroids.

[rocketman122]

When I see a man who's absolutely huge with muscles and has a very veiny look, I suspect my reaction is similar to the reaction a man would have to an extremely anorexic, bony looking woman.

no dont assume. all I can say about myself is the bigger I got the easier I have it with women. simple as that. my options jump up 10 fold since I started BB

 

Somebody who's forever fixated on images of maleness that couldn't be achieved without the use of steroids, who holds that up as an ideal and mimics the use of steroids to get that physique won't think there's anything wrong with that. Much in the same way that anorexics will worship the thinnest women in celebrity culture (the ones whose physique owes much to an eating disorder). In both cases, they're going to see something that others may well view as very disordered as just being a lifestyle choice.

 

youre a big close minded. not every person who takes gear wants to be big to compete or look extremely huge like those pro's. in fact the vast majority, not only cant get there (because of genetics or knowing what to do) but dont want to. many want to be big (enough) and look muscular but not freakish huge. that takes years and most cant even get there IF they even wanted to.

 

 

 

If a guy's built like Atlas, people are probably not going to want to mess with him, frankly.

that is true. the bigger I get the more people seem to tread softly around me. even women said Im intimidating in appearance. but my size helps me persuade people easily.

So I'm sure women will keep their opinions to themselves. But yeah, I should think most would prefer men who are nicely toned but have enough of a fat coverage to have that glossy, smooth look as opposed to the more freakishly bulky and veiny look that a minority of bodybuilders seem to aspire to with the aid of steroids.

 

I have no idea what you look like, but its the hottest women that love guys that look good. not sure if youve ever been to a bodybuilding contest but the gf/wifes of the BB are SMOKING hot. the playboy kind. the ones most guys want and cant get. they are not my style but they really look amazing. many of those women (wife/GF)there are fitness contest competitors themselves and they look amazing with just perfect bodies.

 

I also have come to realize from experience that many women who dont look so well dont want to date a guy that looks better then them because they dont want competition, are jealous because they get hit on by girls and they need to fend them off all the time or many feel they dont deserve a guy that looks great. so mostly those who try to put down the bodybuilders who look good, dont look good themselves. those women who look really good and put effort in the gym/diet and have a great body demand (and attract) those guys that look really good. you hardly see a bodybuilder with a fatty. its usually a bodybuilder whos walking with a tight ass (fitness) girls wearing yoga pants or tight mini skirts.

 

I don't think many people outside of that community would want to take the chance of getting involved with somebody who uses steroids

 

youre talking nonsense. im glad you took it upon yourself to be a spokesperson for all the women around the world. weird how Schwarzenegger had a lot of women run after him. and hes pretty small compared to BB today. every person wants to date their level. so a women that looks good, will not be dating a regular average joe guy. they are into fitness and want a guy who is too.

[Taramere]

youre talking nonsense. im glad you took it upon yourself to be a spokesperson for all the women around the world. weird how Schwarzenegger had a lot of women run after him. and hes pretty small compared to BB today. every person wants to date their level. so a women that looks good, will not be dating a regular average joe guy. they are into fitness and want a guy who is too.

 

 

Your post generally isn't very compelling evidence that steroids don't cause an increase in aggression. I suspect few women outside of the bodybuilding community find the bulked up, veiny look aesthetically appealing, but you could always take a poll I suppose.

[rocketman122]

Your post generally isn't very compelling evidence that steroids don't cause an increase in aggression. I suspect few women outside of the bodybuilding community find the bulked up, veiny look aesthetically appealing, but you could always take a poll I suppose.

 

 

 

Where did u mention aggresion? U talked about everything besides aggression.

 

 

Aggresion i think is uped a bit but dependa how the person is off gear to really determine. Its not everyone.

[Taramere]

Where did u mention aggresion? U talked about everything besides aggression. .

 

 

At the end of my post, I said

 

Plus, whatever the prevailing view in that community might be regarding a relationship between steroid use and aggression, I don't think many people outside of that community would want to take the chance of getting involved with somebody who uses steroids.

 

It's just one of those things that's often come up in all-female conversations I've been a part of. That (regardless of what the women look like) none of them were keen on that extreme bodybuilding look, particularly as it's associated with steroids. I suspect that if you look up articles along the "men we love" lines in any mainstream women's magazine you'll find much the same attitude. I've no doubt that women who are into bodybuilding themselves are attracted to those men - and that those men are similarly often attracted to women who are into bodybuilding. However, people who aren't part of that subculture are likely to see it in a very different light.

 

Muscular men, yes...but in the sense of an athlete who has the grace and movement you associate with athletes. Not this kind of thing.

[Rejected Rosebud]

Your post generally isn't very compelling evidence that steroids don't cause an increase in aggression. I suspect few women outside of the bodybuilding community find the bulked up, veiny look aesthetically appealing, but you could always take a poll I suppose.

I sure don't! :sick: I don't even have any guy friends or family members that look like that, it's not in my world, but I guess there must be some who are into it!!

[rocketman122]

At the end of my post, I said

 

 

 

It's just one of those things that's often come up in all-female conversations I've been a part of. That (regardless of what the women look like) none of them were keen on that extreme bodybuilding look, particularly as it's associated with steroids. I suspect that if you look up articles along the "men we love" lines in any mainstream women's magazine you'll find much the same attitude. I've no doubt that women who are into bodybuilding themselves are attracted to those men - and that those men are similarly often attracted to women who are into bodybuilding. However, people who aren't part of that subculture are likely to see it in a very different light.

 

Muscular men, yes...but in the sense of an athlete who has the grace and movement you associate with athletes. Not this kind of thing.

 

picture isnt loading. but I have an idea what you mean. most dont get to that level. for me though, the bigger I get the more options I have. dont be a rep for women because ive seen otherwise. the ones who look good, want to date someone who looks good. there are tons of joes who have decent average bodies. but nothing that stands out. if im a fatty I wouldnt expect to get a hottie. it wouldnt happen. if a person looks good, they know it and look for someone on their level.

[Taramere]

picture isnt loading. but I have an idea what you mean. most dont get to that level. for me though, the bigger I get the more options I have. dont be a rep for women because ive seen otherwise. the ones who look good, want to date someone who looks good. there are tons of joes who have decent average bodies. but nothing that stands out. if im a fatty I wouldnt expect to get a hottie. it wouldnt happen. if a person looks good, they know it and look for someone on their level.

 

My point is that probably most people don't think the extreme bodybuilders look good. If that were really an attractive look, then you'd see the world's most beautiful women (top models, Hollywood actresses) dating/marrying men with that look. As it is, you'll more generally see them with men who are certainly in shape - but with a toned, natural look . With reference to the men in this link, those men in the 10 - 15% fat bracket.

 

I may not be a spokeswoman for the female gender, but if I were going to bet on the male physiques that the majority of women would find most attractive amongst those, I would say the 10-15% fat ratio. Actually I'd also guess that those would be the bodies that the greatest percentage of men would aspire to....and I don't think either of them would require steroids. This study found that women found the extreme bodybuilders the least attractive of 8 different body types. Muscular men were certainly considered attractive, but only up to a certain point - beyond which they started to be seen as unattractive. Much in the way that a majority of men like slim women...but once the woman is getting to a point where she looks skeletal, the attraction will transform into revulsion.

 

The 3 - 7% fat ones would be more like the main characters in action films that appeal to men but not women. 3-4% in particular I can hardly bear to look at, as I imagine his veins suddenly bursting and spraying blood over everybody within a 6 ft radius. That's why I think the extreme look, enabled by use of steroids, is somewhat like anorexia in women...in that the person aspiring that look isn't really focused on what the opposite sex wants, so much as their fuelled by the obsessive quest for an unrealistic body shape. Anorexics compete with other anorexics with regard to slimness, and I should imagine that extreme body builders are fuelled by similar competitiveness. That in both cases, it's long since got to a point where the views of the opposite sex aren't much of a consideration.

Edited January 18, 2015 by Taramere

[rocketman122]

My point is that probably most people don't think the extreme bodybuilders look good. If that were really an attractive look, then you'd see the world's most beautiful women (top models, Hollywood actresses) dating/marrying men with that look. As it is, you'll more generally see them with men who are certainly in shape - but with a toned, natural look . With reference to the men in this link, those men in the 10 - 15% fat bracket.

 

that is your opinion. Ive seen otherwise at competitions. those wives and GF and female spectators there are those who are fit themselves and want men that are fit as well. ive been to different competitions. but you dont see out out of shape women there.

I may not be a spokeswoman for the female gender, but if I were going to bet on the male physiques that the majority of women would find most attractive amongst those, I would say the 10-15% fat ratio. Actually I'd also guess that those would be the bodies that the greatest percentage of men would aspire to....and I don't think either of them would require steroids. This study found that women found the extreme bodybuilders the least attractive of 8 different body types. Muscular men were certainly considered attractive, but only up to a certain point - beyond which they started to be seen as unattractive. Much in the way that a majority of men like slim women...but once the woman is getting to a point where she looks skeletal, the attraction will transform into revulsion.

 

body fat is not the issue with men who use steroids. body fat has to do with diet. people use gear before a contest to hold on to the hard earned muscle and help burn fat faster and lower. muscle mass is the reason men use steroids. they want to get more muscular. muscles takes a long time to build. im sure when I say MASS, images of pro bodybuilders come to mind. and its simply not so. Im just talking about adding some muscle 10-15 lbs to look good.

anyone can tone down. just lower carbs, up the protein, do some aerobics and be done in 2-3 months, depending how you started. but youll just look like a wimpy dude whos lean. getting muscular and low BF is very difficult.

seems we have different standards of what lean/muscular/good is. you think of an average joe whos has 10-12%BF as good. and im thinking of those more towards the scale of the bigger guys who work in chippendales.

 

youd consider this to be WOW

tilllate.com Switzerland - CHIPPENDALES - Naughty NightsLumag Halle, Luzern, Tuesday 7.11.2006

 

and I consider this to be great-minus the long faggot hair. the fabio fag fest is over. and btw, he looks/looked excellent.

http://www.entertainingasia.com/Media_Photos/Chippendales/KevinCornell.jpg

 

mind you, both are very hard to achieve for any man. you have no idea how much work a guy needs to put in the gym and in the kitchen to get to either size. the latter, MUCH more so and takes YEARS of dedication. eating the same shet day to day to day. complete determination and dedication. most people arent dedicated in ANYTHING they do like those who bodybuild. most dont appreciate a guy who puts effort into looking good.

The 3 - 7% fat ones would be more like the main characters in action films that appeal to men but not women. 3-4% in particular I can hardly bear to look at, as I imagine his veins suddenly bursting and spraying blood over everybody within a 6 ft radius. That's why I think the extreme look, enabled by use of steroids, is somewhat like anorexia in women...in that the person aspiring that look isn't really focused on what the opposite sex wants, so much as their fuelled by the obsessive quest for an unrealistic body shape. Anorexics compete with other anorexics with regard to slimness, and I should imagine that extreme body builders are fuelled by similar competitiveness. That in both cases, it's long since got to a point where the views of the opposite sex aren't much of a consideration.

 

you really are misinformed and really talk a lot of fluff. u know how many people who are muscular and have 3-4% BF? only those who compete and even then most cant get down to 3-4. thats borderline death. only the elite can get big and go that low. 5-7 is what most go into contests and thats peaking up to that day. day to day those people would be between 8-12.

youre constantly talking BF. BF is peanuts. you can notch down in BF so quickly. building muscle takes forever. most of those who take gear dont even look like they take gear and you wouldnt even know it. youd think they were doing it wrong because if you take gear, you must look like those big moster guys who are veiny when they compete. really, youre all over the place and extremely misinformed.

you know how much gear people use to even get to the guy in the 2nd link I posted? cycle after cycle after cycle after cycle for years! you really shouldnt talk about steroids or bodybuild or physique because your posting bad information that others see. what do think, that a person that does 1-2 cycles and eats decent and goes to the gym for a year or two gets to the level in those links? you will be extremely dissapointed. if a person does less than 10 cycles hes lucky. a cycle lasts 2-4 months. and some cycle nonstop. if the guy in the 2nd link has trained for less than 8 years straight, I can say he had some amazing gear and great genetics.

and you know how much a peron has to eat over the years? gear helps a person get to his goal quicker. no person could get to the level in the 2nd link naturally, the first, yes, but after many years of complete dedication and no slack off at all and perfect diet. and this includes a stress free job thats less than 35 hours a week.

[John83]

A few brief points.

 

Yes they can be safe if used sensible

 

With larger doses come more gains but also more side effects.

 

Most people with realistic goals can achieve them without the aid of steroids.

 

Most people start to high, start with the lowest effective dose possible and work up when needed, 250 to 500mg per week is fine as a new user.

 

Build a solid base first,and learn how to train and eat properly first otherwise your wasting your money on the steroids

[Moy]

Like any drug, there are risks. Risks include (and it's dependent on the person taking them)

 

Testicular atrophy and breast growth (gyno) due to how testosterone enanthate works. You are flooding your body with unnatural levels of testosterone, so your body combats that by producing unnatural levels of oestrogen.

 

Liver damage if taken orally

 

Hair loss

 

Acne on your face and body

 

Infected injection sites

 

Increased aggression/shortage of temper.

 

The cost

 

The legality

 

The choice is yours. Personally, I'd embark on a long, slow bulk for a year and eat more food. Exhaust your natural gains first before even considering the roidz

Edited February 3, 2015 by Moy

[Moy]

The risk is "minimal" unless you're a idiot and don't do your research. You'd be amazed at the number of people that use steroids.

 

It surprised me how commonly Anavar is used by the average Joe these days!

[John83]

It surprised me how commonly Anavar is used by the average Joe these days!

 

Lol was same with dianabol round here at one point, they were readily available and cost pennies and almost everyone was on them.

[dichotomy]

I can speak for other countries, but in the U.S.A. the number of commercials for testosterone gel for aging baby boomer men is noticeable. That and Viagra/Cialis.

 

Why not feel like your 25 while still having your AARP discount card.

 

So ya lots of men using steroids, for all sorts of reasons from medical replacement, to anti-aging, to of course sports and bodybuilding. Abuse can lead to issues, and any drug, even medically needed, can have side effects.

[heartache25]

Let me tell you a little of my knowledge and of being a user of anabolic steroids for gym training and bulking up.

 

 

Yes, you can get steroids, yes, they will help your size. I am 6ft2, I weighed around 8.9stone. I started straining while having a friend inject anabolic steroids into my shoulder, which was painfull cause I had no muscle there, so I started to have the jab in my bum.

 

 

They worked, the injections were painfull, the pain lasted for around 3-4 days of a dead bum cheek, you will feel stronger, after your first jab. but you are not, that is just your mind assuming the steroids are working, the steroids wont start to take place until the 4-5th injection, you need 1 per week. I did a 10 week cyclye at a time. I felt great while on them, as they are a drug, they make you feel good during these 10 weeks of hard training, you will train harder and faster and better.

 

 

The down side of this is, one you have finished your cycle, you will lose 80-90% of what you just gained from them 10 weeks, it will rapidly drop off your body and you will shrink back down to your usual size.

 

 

I strongly advice to stop the thoughts of taking them.

 

 

My brother was doing for a long time, he went bald from it, he grew milk and lumps from his chest (Manboobs) and was strongly advised to stop taking them, there is many bad side effects you can have from taking these drugs, basically, just train, eat well, and leave the drugs alone, do it naturally and keep your gains brother.

[John83]

As a few have mentioned about the hair loss, this is a critically important point to those of you who value your hair that steroids WILL accelerate hair loss in those prone to it.

I was noticeably thinner around the hairline after a few months at a ridiculously low dose, enough to make me question using again.