What type of men do women usually have casual sex with?

[Eternal Sunshine]

For casual sex - I pick the best looking guy I can get and ignore other traits.

[ascendotum]

For casual sex - I pick the best looking guy I can get and ignore other traits.

 

Pretty succinct but sums it up for the majority of women I reckon. There will be different features (not just the face) that will appeal to different women, rocker type guy or sharp dressed arrogant yuppy, or good looking hipster, tanned, ripped bod & tatted up surfer dude or or big/tall boofy blokey guy, etc, but that's about it, as long as he doesn't say anything stupid to turn her off, and has some level of charm. Its interesting in convos I seen with women on this topic when in mixed coy or they think someone there is going to be a bit judgmental they wont say this (its more based on personality & confidence & intelligence), but when they're with the girls and had a few cocktails or guys that they think are cool & non judgmental...its what ES says. lol

[markleymassraff]

Just seems like a troll post to me. But if it's real, are you planning to settle for someone for a serious relationship that will lead to marriage? I mean you're with your ideal guy now so what type of guy do you want for marriage/kids?

 

I assure you, it's real. Every bit of it. He's not like model-perfect good looking, nor does he have washboard abs. But he's good-looking and is in decent shape; he's not fat. He doesn't work out at all -- doesn't have muscles -- but he has one of those naturally decent-shaped bodies that is thin with just the right amount of tone and bulk. (Just trying to point out that I'm not crafting some fake-perfect person.)

 

It's real, and I'm not crazy about it because I'm totally infatuated with someone who's emotionally unavailable to me. Also, he has alcoholism problems and I believe sex addiction too. He's not perfect. In fact, he calls himself a loser. But he's like a really attractive guy calling himself a loser (because of his alcoholism problem).

 

Oh, and I don't want kids or marriage, so it doesn't set me back to be seeing someone like him. I've only been seeing him for a month and a half, and he really IS super attractive to me. I haven't dated an alpha male in years, but I can definitely say that I feel more "in love" with him than I did with the beta males I dated. I don't think I would if he were a jerk alpha male, but he's more of a nice alpha male (I don't think he's nice to everybody but he is to me.) See, I've known him for 2.5 years and we have a lot of common friends and acquaintances. We're also both political, so I think we're sort of bonded in politics. I think he treats me a little differently than he does the women he "just picks up" (and only just met). I'm not saying I get anything super great from him (I want a relationship and I don't think that'll ever happen), but I think I get more decent treatment from him than random women he meets on Tinder or wherever because we've known each other a long while before dating, we have a common social circle, etc.

 

It's very true that I want him in my life even if he is with other women. That's how appealing he is to me!

 

Anyway, to answer your question, no, I don't want to settle. I haven't really thought about the future and who I'll end up with. Beta males are attractive to me too; I've been in love with them too. And I think a more "beta" guy can still get a woman very excited about him; a number of factors come into play as far as a person's demeanor and how women will feel about him.

 

I'm just saying that this dude is like...sexy and nice. I seriously think it will be hard to top him because he shares my politics (important to me), he's educated, and he's got the man's man but well-mannered thing going on. It's the man's man thing that I think is hard to come by. He curses and drinks, and while this may sound vulgar, somehow he pulls it off in a well-mannered way that's sexy.

Edited February 14, 2015 by markleymassraff

[NJ123]

I assure you, it's real. Every bit of it. He's not like model-perfect good looking, nor does he have washboard abs. But he's good-looking and is in decent shape; he's not fat. He doesn't work out at all -- doesn't have muscles -- but he has one of those naturally decent-shaped bodies that is thin with just the right amount of tone and bulk. (Just trying to point out that I'm not crafting some fake-perfect person.)

 

It's real, and I'm not crazy about it because I'm totally infatuated with someone who's emotionally unavailable to me. Also, he has alcoholism problems and I believe sex addiction too. He's not perfect. In fact, he calls himself a loser. But he's like a really attractive guy calling himself a loser (because of his alcoholism problem).

 

Oh, and I don't want kids or marriage, so it doesn't set me back to be seeing someone like him. I've only been seeing him for a month and a half, and he really IS super attractive to me. I haven't dated an alpha male in years, but I can definitely say that I feel more "in love" with him than I did with the beta males I dated. I don't think I would if he were a jerk alpha male, but he's more of a nice alpha male (I don't think he's nice to everybody but he is to me.) See, I've known him for 2.5 years and we have a lot of common friends and acquaintances. We're also both political, so I think we're sort of bonded in politics. I think he treats me a little differently than he does the women he "just picks up" (and only just met). I'm not saying I get anything super great from him (I want a relationship and I don't think that'll ever happen), but I think I get more decent treatment from him than random women he meets on Tinder or wherever because we've known each other a long while before dating, we have a common social circle, etc.

 

It's very true that I want him in my life even if he is with other women. That's how appealing he is to me!

 

Anyway, to answer your question, no, I don't want to settle. I haven't really thought about the future and who I'll end up with. Beta males are attractive to me too; I've been in love with them too. And I think a more "beta" guy can still get a woman very excited about him; a number of factors come into play as far as a person's demeanor and how women will feel about him.

 

I'm just saying that this dude is like...sexy and nice. I seriously think it will be hard to top him because he shares my politics (important to me), he's educated, and he's got the man's man but well-mannered thing going on. It's the man's man thing that I think is hard to come by. He curses and drinks, and while this may sound vulgar, somehow he pulls it off in a well-mannered way that's sexy.

 

Well, I just thought it was a fake post because I never hear women constantly refer to guys as betas & alphas constantly. Usually it's the guys that do that. But to me, if you go out with a "beta", you're just settling for him because it's insanely obvious to me you prefer an "alpha" guy. What I'm trying to understand is why do that to a guy? I just want to know a woman's perspective on it, because I think it's extremely cruel & cold to lead a guy on like that.

 

And what your posts are saying is almost exactly what I've been saying in most of my posts in this thread. That they get with the "alpha" guys for sex or casual type of things, but when it comes to the relationships or marriage than a HUGE list of other factors come into play. And I REFUSE to be that guy that's lead on by a woman.

 

And this is a random question, but I've heard so many times that women would do things in bed with guys for casual sex that they wouldn't do with their boyfriends/husbands. How true is that in your case with these "beta" guys you dated compared to the "alphas" if you don't mind me asking?

Edited February 14, 2015 by NJ123

[markleymassraff]

Well, I just thought it was a fake post because I never hear women constantly refer to guys as betas & alphas constantly. Usually it's the guys that do that. But to me, if you go out with a "beta", you're just settling for him because it's insanely obvious to me you prefer an "alpha" guy. What I'm trying to understand is why do that to a guy? I just want to know a woman's perspective on it, because I think it's extremely cruel & cold to lead a guy on like that.

 

And what your posts are saying is almost exactly what I've been saying in most of my posts in this thread. That they get with the "alpha" guys for sex or casual type of things, but when it comes to the relationships or marriage than a HUGE list of other factors come into play. And I REFUSE to be that guy that's lead on by a woman.

 

And this is a random question, but I've heard so many times that women would do things in bed with guys for casual sex that they wouldn't do with their boyfriends/husbands. How true is that in your case with these "beta" guys you dated compared to the "alphas" if you don't mind me asking?

 

You are right. I can't speak for all women (and I'm not), but I know now, after experiencing this guy, that a nice alpha male is my ideal. As I said in a previous post, I"ve only dated one other guy who was an alpha male, and he was an a-hole in a variety of ways -- he was openly conceited (he played it off as 'joking' but it was still lame/*******-like) and he was one of those business, money-hungry types. Because that was my experience with alpha males, I thought of alpha males as being like that. But the one I'm seeing now is alpha by all means but has a different personality; he's well mannered enough to be humble and not ACT like an *******; he also isn't conceited; he also has better, less capitalist and money-hungry values and politics. In fact, he's politically very moral.

 

So...you're right, at this point, at least I think, it would feel like setting to date beta males who dont' excite me the way this guy does. But I'd had relationships with beta males after the relationship with the jerk alpha male, so at the time of dating those beta males, they seemed (and were, in fact) much better than the jerk alpha male.

 

Now I'm recognizing that the ideal is the nice alpha male. There is such a thing. Such a guy is strong, charismatic, attracts women easily, funny, a leader amongst friends, but still presents himself in a humble way and might even be kind of playfully self-deprecating.

 

Oh, and about the sex difference with casual sex partners vs. the husband. It varies. The last relationship I had (with a beta male), I never went down in him. In a whole year and a half. This is because he smelled down there. And it turned me off trying. And he didn't push...that whole year and a half. Probably because he is beta and didn't want to push. But a previous beta guy I was with (for five years), I went down on him all the time because he didn't smell down there. So...

 

The guy I am seeing now (the alpha), definitely I have performed oral sex on him. But...I can't see I've done crazy wild things with him that I haven't done with other men (the beta ones.) I really don't think I have some willingness to do more with one guy over another. If I do, it's not based on alpha/beta status but just how THEY act in bed.

 

A close female friend of mine is with a beta guy and says he is awesome in bed. She and I have talked, though, about how she prefers alpha guys and wishes he were more strong/charismatic socially.

[Mangina]

You are right. I can't speak for all women (and I'm not), but I know now, after experiencing this guy, that a nice alpha male is my ideal. As I said in a previous post, I"ve only dated one other guy who was an alpha male, and he was an a-hole in a variety of ways -- he was openly conceited (he played it off as 'joking' but it was still lame/*******-like) and he was one of those business, money-hungry types. Because that was my experience with alpha males, I thought of alpha males as being like that. But the one I'm seeing now is alpha by all means but has a different personality; he's well mannered enough to be humble and not ACT like an *******; he also isn't conceited; he also has better, less capitalist and money-hungry values and politics. In fact, he's politically very moral.

 

So...you're right, at this point, at least I think, it would feel like setting to date beta males who dont' excite me the way this guy does. But I'd had relationships with beta males after the relationship with the jerk alpha male, so at the time of dating those beta males, they seemed (and were, in fact) much better than the jerk alpha male.

 

Now I'm recognizing that the ideal is the nice alpha male. There is such a thing. Such a guy is strong, charismatic, attracts women easily, funny, a leader amongst friends, but still presents himself in a humble way and might even be kind of playfully self-deprecating.

 

Oh, and about the sex difference with casual sex partners vs. the husband. It varies. The last relationship I had (with a beta male), I never went down in him. In a whole year and a half. This is because he smelled down there. And it turned me off trying. And he didn't push...that whole year and a half. Probably because he is beta and didn't want to push. But a previous beta guy I was with (for five years), I went down on him all the time because he didn't smell down there. So...

 

The guy I am seeing now (the alpha), definitely I have performed oral sex on him. But...I can't see I've done crazy wild things with him that I haven't done with other men (the beta ones.) I really don't think I have some willingness to do more with one guy over another. If I do, it's not based on alpha/beta status but just how THEY act in bed.

 

A close female friend of mine is with a beta guy and says he is awesome in bed. She and I have talked, though, about how she prefers alpha guys and wishes he were more strong/charismatic socially.

Don't be surprised if he drops you for a hotter girl. Go alpha! Then you will be with the poor settle beta

[markleymassraff]

Don't be surprised if he drops you for a hotter girl. Go alpha! Then you will be with the poor settle beta

 

Oh, I fully expect that...lol. I definitely know what I'm dealing with.

[Mangina]

Oh, I fully expect that...lol. I definitely know what I'm dealing with.

 

Smart girl

[markleymassraff]

Oh, I fully expect that...lol. I definitely know what I'm dealing with.

 

I'm actually good-looking too, though, so...there's that. Face-wise and thin-wise, anyway. But...he can always get someone hotter even if that's the case, so...I'm well aware of that.

[A O]

I doubt there's a definitive answer to this question.

 

I know the cliche is that women go for the "bad boys" & "alphas" when younger.

Just like there are bad boys, then so to there are bad girls, they all suffer from a similar disposition - self-esteem issues. Point here is to understand that a small section of women, only, go for bad boys and the like.

 

And also a lot of women tend to have more casual sex when younger.

Younger people tend to be more spur of the moment types, as such, I'm guessing that young people in general engage in casual sex more than older folk. But again, that's just a guess and a wild one at that. Recent experiences has shown me that some women, aged early 30's +, free of the shackles and burdens of their previous long-term marriage or relationship become reborn, young, male-like fark machines. Happy days.

 

But is that really true? I wonder how much truth to the perception that a lot of guys have where they think the women have sex with the jerks & a-holes when young, than want the beta provider to take care of them when older for serious relationships & marriage, who they would have never given the time of day to when younger.

This is true, it is not a perception, but what can't be ascertained, is the number of women like this. it could be significant, it could be minimal - nobody knows (although I go for the latter).

[NJ123]

I doubt there's a definitive answer to this question.

 

 

Just like there are bad boys, then so to there are bad girls, they all suffer from a similar disposition - self-esteem issues. Point here is to understand that a small section of women, only, go for bad boys and the like.

 

Younger people tend to be more spur of the moment types, as such, I'm guessing that young people in general engage in casual sex more than older folk. But again, that's just a guess and a wild one at that. Recent experiences has shown me that some women, aged early 30's +, free of the shackles and burdens of their previous long-term marriage or relationship become reborn, young, male-like fark machines. Happy days.

 

This is true, it is not a perception, but what can't be ascertained, is the number of women like this. it could be significant, it could be minimal - nobody knows (although I go for the latter).

 

Yeah, and that's the thing. You'll never know unless you dig into her past. Of course a lot of women always say it's none of your business. But I think in the case of compatibility it's something that should be known if you don't want to be with a woman that's had a lot of casual sex.

[A O]

You'll never know unless you dig into her past. Of course a lot of women always say it's none of your business. But I think in the case of compatibility it's something that should be known if you don't want to be with a woman that's had a lot of casual sex.

True.

 

I was going to make this point earlier but the sort of women you are mindful are easy to spot, chief among this is how they see themselves. The more self esteem a woman has the better. The more self worth they have, the more value they will place on their actions and words. In short, what they say they will do, and that's my type of person. Naturally, the opposite is true for low self esteem types. Hence, why many don't mind bad boy types, largely because in the back of their minds that's all they think they deserve. But one doesn't need to dig too deeply into someone's history, in boxing parlance, to deliver a good punch one has to take one first. Meaning, all you have to do is voice your views on what is important to you and see (and observe over time) whether she shares the same outlook as you.

 

But the biggest point here (and one you obviously already know) is that just like there are many bad male apples in this world, then so to there are many bad female apples also. Unfortunately, most men are unaware of this fact, it is not the PC thing to express, such is the esteem that men and society in general tend to hold towards women - compared - to men. But the other point here is that we are only talking about a certain cross section of women. This is a certain type of women dynamic, not a women (in general) circumstance.

[NJ123]

True.

 

I was going to make this point earlier but the sort of women you are mindful are easy to spot, chief among this is how they see themselves. The more self esteem a woman has the better. The more self worth they have, the more value they will place on their actions and words. In short, what they say they will do, and that's my type of person. Naturally, the opposite is true for low self esteem types. Hence, why many don't mind bad boy types, largely because in the back of their minds that's all they think they deserve. But one doesn't need to dig too deeply into someone's history, in boxing parlance, to deliver a good punch one has to take one first. Meaning, all you have to do is voice your views on what is important to you and see (and observe over time) whether she shares the same outlook as you.

 

But the biggest point here (and one you obviously already know) is that just like there are many bad male apples in this world, then so to there are many bad female apples also. Unfortunately, most men are unaware of this fact, it is not the PC thing to express, such is the esteem that men and society in general tend to hold towards women - compared - to men. But the other point here is that we are only talking about a certain cross section of women. This is a certain type of women dynamic, not a women (in general) circumstance.

 

Yes, of course it's important to have the same views on a lot of things. The problem is trying to find out about a womans past since they seem to usually not want the guy to know in terms of sexual history. Basically the only way to know is by a gut feeling or if she asks you about yours first. It's been way obvious in this thread that I wouldn't be compatible with a woman that was very promiscuous in the past. And it's not like I'm the only one.

 

And absolutely there's lots of bad men & women out there. You just have to hope you can avoid them & not get lead on. There should usually always be some red flags if you get a sense that their not the person their claiming to be. Unfortunately it seems a lot of people avoid the flags due to the feelings they have for them & refuse to believe their true.

[StanMusial]

Yeah, and that's the thing. You'll never know unless you dig into her past. Of course a lot of women always say it's none of your business. But I think in the case of compatibility it's something that should be known if you don't want to be with a woman that's had a lot of casual sex.

 

Reality is different than the internet. People carry their reputations with them. Unless they are very discrete and meet complete strangers off the internet and bang away lol.

 

In the circles I have traveled in, there was a very good chance you knew which girls would put out and which ones would not. You are free to pursue as the situation may dictate. Types of "situations" lead to hookups or casual sex, not just types of men.

 

That being said, there are plenty of girls who aren't going to have casual sex ever. They just don't work that way. You can find one but it seems your current life situation is of more concern.

[A O]

Yes, of course it's important to have the same views on a lot of things.

I'm talking about the things that really matter to you (sex aside) and not just any old thing. It doesn't matter if they like movies or music and those sorts of things. But what are her views towards her work, on her parents, on her friends, on things that really matter and can be possible indicators towards their relationship compatibility!

 

The problem is trying to find out about a womans past since they seem to usually not want the guy to know in terms of sexual history.

Sexual history is not important and one reason for this is that you can find out everything you need to know about a person without ever having to go there.

 

Your ideal women will have high self esteem, she will value herself, value her actions and her words and the chances of this type of women sleeping around are very low. But if she does, she will also have the kahunas to front up and say as much while not giving a flying rats arse over what you or anyway else thinks about this. But a women who values herself is highly likely to value you also, and this is a must have for any relationship.

 

A low self esteem women on the other hand often comes from a single parent family, has few interests, thus hasn't achieved a lot, will have a history of poor relationships, will not value herself (enough) thus her words and actions are often hollow and contradictory. Most importantly, she won't value you, meaning she'll often break her word, fail to follow through on prearranged commitments and soon enough, the lies will flow.

 

In short, there are other indicators to finding out the compatibility of someone than just wanting to know their sexual history.

[Ebelskiver]

Men are more visual than women though so of course a lot of them will sleep with an attractive woman regardless of who she is. But I wouldn't. Women always say it's more about the emotions to sleep with someone, which I obviously know now is a lie.

 

You are so obviously and painfully a virgin. Get over yourself. Women who are lucky enough get to sleep with whomever they choose. Big deal. That's life. So you're not one of the lucky, attractive, sexy few. You can't change your looks.

 

But you can change your attitude.

 

A wicked wit, self-depracating humor, intelligence, thoughtfulness........can over come a fair amount in the looks department. But you can't be awkward, ot if you are you have to overcome it.

 

It just seems like you're endlessly whining. Accept the way life is. Don't begrudge anyone who gets shat you want. Otherwise you just end up bitter and angry, AND that is a huge turnoff.

[NJ123]

You are so obviously and painfully a virgin. Get over yourself. Women who are lucky enough get to sleep with whomever they choose. Big deal. That's life. So you're not one of the lucky, attractive, sexy few. You can't change your looks.

 

But you can change your attitude.

 

A wicked wit, self-depracating humor, intelligence, thoughtfulness........can over come a fair amount in the looks department. But you can't be awkward, ot if you are you have to overcome it.

 

It just seems like you're endlessly whining. Accept the way life is. Don't begrudge anyone who gets shat you want. Otherwise you just end up bitter and angry, AND that is a huge turnoff.

 

I actually am decent looking. I've been told plenty of times that I look good. And I'm physically aging well in terms of looking young & am in pretty good physical shape as I go to the gym a few days a week. But unfortunately life circumstances got in the way for me.

[NJ123]

Reality is different than the internet. People carry their reputations with them. Unless they are very discrete and meet complete strangers off the internet and bang away lol.

 

In the circles I have traveled in, there was a very good chance you knew which girls would put out and which ones would not. You are free to pursue as the situation may dictate. Types of "situations" lead to hookups or casual sex, not just types of men.

 

That being said, there are plenty of girls who aren't going to have casual sex ever. They just don't work that way. You can find one but it seems your current life situation is of more concern.

 

Good points.

[NJ123]

I'm talking about the things that really matter to you (sex aside) and not just any old thing. It doesn't matter if they like movies or music and those sorts of things. But what are her views towards her work, on her parents, on her friends, on things that really matter and can be possible indicators towards their relationship compatibility!

 

Sexual history is not important and one reason for this is that you can find out everything you need to know about a person without ever having to go there.

 

Your ideal women will have high self esteem, she will value herself, value her actions and her words and the chances of this type of women sleeping around are very low. But if she does, she will also have the kahunas to front up and say as much while not giving a flying rats arse over what you or anyway else thinks about this. But a women who values herself is highly likely to value you also, and this is a must have for any relationship.

 

A low self esteem women on the other hand often comes from a single parent family, has few interests, thus hasn't achieved a lot, will have a history of poor relationships, will not value herself (enough) thus her words and actions are often hollow and contradictory. Most importantly, she won't value you, meaning she'll often break her word, fail to follow through on prearranged commitments and soon enough, the lies will flow.

 

In short, there are other indicators to finding out the compatibility of someone than just wanting to know their sexual history.

 

Yeah this is true.

[NJ123]

You are so obviously and painfully a virgin. Get over yourself. Women who are lucky enough get to sleep with whomever they choose. Big deal. That's life. So you're not one of the lucky, attractive, sexy few. You can't change your looks.

 

But you can change your attitude.

 

A wicked wit, self-depracating humor, intelligence, thoughtfulness........can over come a fair amount in the looks department. But you can't be awkward, ot if you are you have to overcome it.

 

It just seems like you're endlessly whining. Accept the way life is. Don't begrudge anyone who gets shat you want. Otherwise you just end up bitter and angry, AND that is a huge turnoff.

 

And it's easy for you as a woman to say this because you don't have to put in any effort to get sex or a relationship. Because it doesn't effect you you can say what you do with ease. But I bet you complain about things in areas that aren't going your way.

[elaine567]

And it's easy for you as a woman to say this because you don't have to put in any effort to get sex or a relationship. Because it doesn't effect you you can say what you do with ease. But I bet you complain about things in areas that aren't going your way.

 

Who says thats true?

The truth according to NJ123.

 

There will be women out there agonising over the same stuff.

Women who don't want to sleep with players or ex players, woman who don't want to sleep with men who have had lots of casual sex, women who worry about their exes past, woman who don't want to be lied to, women who don't want to be "settled" for.

 

If a man is not that fussy and is able to send the right signals, then getting sex is easy. As an ex prostitute once told me, "There are just too many willing amateurs out there, for my liking."

 

The trouble is finding the "right" people to have relationships with, and that is equally difficult for men and for women.

[NJ123]

Who says thats true?

The truth according to NJ123.

 

There will be women out there agonising over the same stuff.

Women who don't want to sleep with players or ex players, woman who don't want to sleep with men who have had lots of casual sex, women who worry about their exes past, woman who don't want to be lied to, women who don't want to be "settled" for.

 

If a man is not that fussy and is able to send the right signals, then getting sex is easy. As an ex prostitute once told me, "There are just too many willing amateurs out there, for my liking."

 

The trouble is finding the "right" people to have relationships with, and that is equally difficult for men and for women.

 

Yeah, I get it's difficult to find the right person, But a woman absolutely almost has to put in no effort for sex or put in any work to have many available options. They might possibly not all be the best quality guys but you have them without having to put in hardly any effort because they come to you. It's mainly always the guy that has to approach & do the necessary work to get a number & whatever else.

 

And the women you describe is exactly the type of woman I'd want to be with. Just as long as their not a hypocrite & didn't do one of those things in the past.

Edited February 14, 2015 by NJ123

[Ethan78]

Yeah, I get it's difficult to find the right person, But a woman absolutely almost has to put in no effort for sex or put in any work to have many available options. They might possibly not all be the best quality guys but you have them without having to put in hardly any effort because they come to you. It's mainly always the guy that has to approach & do the necessary work to get a number & whatever else.

 

It's unfair that the tiger has to chase its food while the Chameleon just has to sit there and stick its tongue out. It's so unfair on the tiger.

[NJ123]

It's unfair that the tiger has to chase its food while the Chameleon just has to sit there and stick its tongue out. It's so unfair on the tiger.

 

lol seriously? You're comparing animals to humans to get some point across. Technically you think what I said is true. Women shouldn't be saying "oh too bad" to me when it doesn't affect them. I can say the same thing to them when they complain about looking old at an earlier age then men. If I say oh too bad, then of course they get all defensive.

[Ethan78]

lol seriously? You're comparing animals to humans to get some point across. Technically you think what I said is true. Women shouldn't be saying "oh too bad" to me when it doesn't affect them. I can say the same thing to them when they complain about looking old at an earlier age then men. If I say oh too bad, then of course they get all defensive.

 

Do something practical instead of complaining about what is. If you think approaching women is unfair go speed dating.

 

At the end of the day I understand perfectly where you are. You are in your own head and it will keep yo unhappy. It doesn't matter how many times you reply to your own thread, you are just complaining about things you cannot change. Again, men will still be approaching women long after we are both dead. Why complain about it?