Why do so many people not have any morals anymore?

[serial muse]

I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that the average woman could get sex much easier than the average man. So women are judged more harshly when they cheat or at least used to be. It seems it's not as severe though since we hear about it way more than before like it's almost acceptable behavior which is sad.

 

I don't think a lot of people see cheating as acceptable behavior - at least, the people who already gave men cheating a wink and a nod in the past may now do the same for women, but that doesn't suggest to me that their basic morality has changed at all. Those who are anti-cheating, still are.

[CrystalShine2011]

I think it's a general selfish mentality that we all usually have (I know I sure do.)

I do wish it was different.

[NJ123]

I think it's a general selfish mentality that we all usually have (I know I sure do.)

I do wish it was different.

 

So I take it that you cheat even though you know it's wrong?

[Selfish]

It's an unsurprising story, but as for the rape it is unlikely that she will take responsibility for "her choice of men" as you put it. Feminists seem to want to remove the responsibility from women for making bad choices with men who commit domestic violence or sexual violence, and instead put that onto men in general. That is not to say all bad relationships happen in this way, but many do.

 

It is a known phenomenon in psychology that people make bad relationship choices based on their past experiences, that goes for men and women. It is quite annoying when I see women asking for sympathy when they have clearly made dubious choices. Your choice has nothing to do with me.

 

As for the woman you talk about being angry with men based on her father being a chauvinist I can kind of understand it. Since she has no basis for a good relationship with men there will be an awful lot to see in our culture that seems to be negative towards women that she finds it hard to deal with. Of course the real problem is having your own self-esteem and meeting a healthy partner of the opposite sex.

 

To clarify. She bares no responsibility for the rApe. It wasn't a date rape situation or the like.

 

When I said she chose men poorly I meant she chose men who were verbally abusive like her father.

[spiderowl]

That's what's scary about it. It's almost like cheating is an acceptable behavior today since we hear about it all the time. Maybe as someone pointed out that it seems that way due to social media, but the perception is that more people are cheating today than ever before since we constantly hear about people doing it. And I don't think I could be friemds with someone who cheats. Also, a red flag for a girlfriend is the people she associates with. If the girls she's friends with are sluts, that doesn't portray a nice picture of her by associating with awful people. Just imagine if she wants a girls night out with those women.

 

I know what you mean about feeling uncomfortable with people who cheat. I find it disturbing too. I know that people sometimes turn to it when they feel all is lost in a relationship anyway. Not my thing, but there we are.

 

Regarding a girl and the company she keeps, I don't think it is good to judge women as sluts. Men are not judged in the same way and are admired by other men for being able to get the women. Quite apart from that, people tend to keep company with the people they've grown up with. I knew a girl who lived next door to me. Her family was pretty rough, well-meaning but rough. She grew up having to cope with them, their friends, attitudes to drinking, partying and so on. She was actually a really nice girl to know (and still is), but of course she went out with the friends she'd grown up with and dressed like them. To an outsider it does not look good, but that girl will be a loyal, loving partner and mother. I feel it's sad to judge her because of the company she was in.

[NJ123]

I know what you mean about feeling uncomfortable with people who cheat. I find it disturbing too. I know that people sometimes turn to it when they feel all is lost in a relationship anyway. Not my thing, but there we are.

 

Regarding a girl and the company she keeps, I don't think it is good to judge women as sluts. Men are not judged in the same way and are admired by other men for being able to get the women. Quite apart from that, people tend to keep company with the people they've grown up with. I knew a girl who lived next door to me. Her family was pretty rough, well-meaning but rough. She grew up having to cope with them, their friends, attitudes to drinking, partying and so on. She was actually a really nice girl to know (and still is), but of course she went out with the friends she'd grown up with and dressed like them. To an outsider it does not look good, but that girl will be a loyal, loving partner and mother. I feel it's sad to judge her because of the company she was in.

 

True, but some people given in to peer pressure. What if she's out with lets say 5 of her friends egging her on about kissing some guy at a club that they all think is cute even if she's in a relationship. Some woman told me a month or so ago that she used to have friends like that. And that they all were cheaters & they got in her head to try it for the "thrill of it" since she said she hated being with her then boyfriend anyway. She cut all contact with all those women now though or so she claimed since she realized they were a bad influence.

[amaysngrace]

True, but some people given in to peer pressure. What if she's out with lets say 5 of her friends egging her on about kissing some guy at a club that they all think is cute even if she's in a relationship. Some woman told me a month or so ago that she used to have friends like that. And that they all were cheaters & they got in her head to try it for the "thrill of it" since she said she hated being with her then boyfriend anyway. She cut all contact with all those women now though or so she claimed since she realized they were a bad influence.

 

Yea some people can be like that...weak and would rather be in a crowd than be strong and be able to stand on their own two feet, even if it's a bad scene.

 

She was probably young and acts like an adult now since she grew a pair.

[NJ123]

Yea some people can be like that...weak and would rather be in a crowd than be strong and be able to stand on their own two feet, even if it's a bad scene.

 

She was probably young and acts like an adult now since she grew a pair.

 

But that's what could happen if you associate with people like that. Peer pressure could sometimes be really strong & make you do things you normally wouldn't.

[Ethan78]

That is really untrue, yes women or anybody is responsible for their choices but rape or domestic violence is 100% the responsibility of the perpetrator and the victim is a victim of a crime no matter what their choices or how they lived their lives, even if they are a prostitute or a junkie or whatever!!

 

Let me clarify first that I grew up as a kid in a house where domestic violence took place between my parents. I do not think being a victim means you necessarily bear no responsibility for the overall situation. That can be for a few reasons - the choices you make in getting into the relationship or inviting someone back into your life who has previously committed violence, your obligations towards others around you, and being irresponsible with your own safety. I can elaborate, but won't for now.

 

In any case we were talking about the particular woman mentioned in this thread. I would say aggressive / verbally abusive behaviour from a man is an indicator that he is potentially physically abusive. If a woman wants to take that risk, then there is a case to say she is being irresponsible with her safety. Ultimately the criminal is responsible for the crime.

 

In any case whatever choice she makes it has nothing to do with me as a man since I am not in the relationship. It is not "rape culture" or anything else that relates to men in general.

 

I have no say in relationships that go well or in who dates who the rest of the time, so why do feminists want me to be linked to relationships that go bad by attributing the negative relationships to men in general. This is especially annoying when women choose the guys who are behaving in a bad way.

 

 

To clarify. She bares no responsibility for the rApe. It wasn't a date rape situation or the like.

 

When I said she chose men poorly I meant she chose men who were verbally abusive like her father.

 

As I sad above I don't think she is responsible for the crime, but for being attracted to men with dubious behaviour.

 

If I go to a neighbourhood where I know people are behaving in a way that suggests they could be dangerous and I am robbed or attacked then I have probably been irresponsible with my personal safety. The criminal is still responsible for the crime.

[amaysngrace]

But that's what could happen if you associate with people like that. Peer pressure could sometimes be really strong & make you do things you normally wouldn't.

 

Yea maybe it was a moment of weakness. Regardless I'm glad she's in a better place now in her head.

[Selfish]

 

 

 

 

As I sad above I don't think she is responsible for the crime, but for being attracted to men with dubious behaviour.

 

If I go to a neighbourhood where I know people are behaving in a way that suggests they could be dangerous and I am robbed or attacked then I have probably been irresponsible with my personal safety. The criminal is still responsible for the crime.

 

Whoa dude, hold off on the victim blaming. The guys she dated were jacka55es and like I said helped her along with her male hating perpective but as far as I know none of them ever physically or sexually abused her that I know of.

 

She was raped by no fault of her own. How is that so hard to accept for you? You think she must have done something to put herself in that situation. I assure you she was "decently" clothed in a good area going about her daily business when she was attacked and raped.

[Ethan78]

Whoa dude, hold off on the victim blaming. The guys she dated were jacka55es and like I said helped her along with her male hating perpective but as far as I know none of them ever physically or sexually abused her that I know of.

 

She was raped by no fault of her own. How is that so hard to accept for you? You think she must have done something to put herself in that situation. I assure you she was "decently" clothed in a good area going about her daily business when she was attacked and raped.

 

The criminal is responsible for the crime. In a relationship people have a responsibility for choosing to be with someone they know is abusive, verbally or otherwise.

 

My point stands. When someone makes a choice to be with someone they know from the outset is displaying abusive behaviour it is nothing to do with men in general. Secondly it is irresponsible to choose to be with someone you know to be abusive.

 

If it is a random attack that is another issue.

[TigerLilly78]

The criminal is responsible for the crime. In a relationship people have a responsibility for choosing to be with someone they know is abusive, verbally or otherwise.

 

My point stands. When someone makes a choice to be with someone they know from the outset is displaying abusive behaviour it is nothing to do with men in general. Secondly it is irresponsible to choose to be with someone you know to be abusive.

 

If it is a random attack that is another issue.

 

As a survivor of a extremely abusive alcoholic I agree with this! I saw bad sighs before I ever got into that relashionship and I did it anyways that was my fault no one elses.

 

That said once you are IN the relashionship for any length of time tho "I was for many years" a different dynamic takes over your mind becomes clouded and its almost impossible to leave unless there is some major event to shake you to your core.

 

But ide have to agree with the idea that women who continually go from one to the next of these kind of situations after finally getting out its almost their own faults at that point..