Nicholas Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 If someone's pestering you about conversion, chances are he or she is not a Catholic. Carry a rosary. Offer to listen to their ministry if they do a decade or two of the rosary with you. Chances are they'll run away animatedly. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 If someone's pestering you about conversion, chances are he or she is not a Catholic.Come on, I'm sure there are some Catholics who, "sell" their denomination, with great vigor too. There's nothing wrong with being a witness of your faith......but to bother someone for 2 hours straight is way too extreme. Carry a rosary. Offer to listen to their ministry if they do a decade or two of the rosary with you. Chances are they'll run away animatedly.I know I would!! That's what bothers me about the Catholic religion......my salvation would rest completly on my shoulders.....if I didn't do enough rosaries, if I didn't go to confession, if I didn't pray to Mary.......I'm doomed!!! I prefer to accept Christ's proposal to take that burden from me, and let Him deal with it on my behalf. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 my observation is that people who are religious fanatics or extremists (of ANY religion) tend to be weak people emotionally. they do not have an internal sense of right and wrong and need to get that from an external source. and they also get emotional strength from an external source. internally stonger people who are more educated and intellectual are at a lesser need of an external source of "strength". religion is the opiate of the masses. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 So, are you saying that anyone who has religion, or follows a certain religion are weak, stupid, and barbaric? Or just the fanatics, or extremists......and if you don't mind, can you define what a religious fanatic or extremist is to you? Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Originally posted by Moose So, are you saying that anyone who has religion, or follows a certain religion are weak, stupid, and barbaric? Or just the fanatics, or extremists......and if you don't mind, can you define what a religious fanatic or extremist is to you? I am just talking about people who make a religion the center of their universe and think that their religion's philosophy is the be-all and end-all of everything. In moderation I believe that religion and spirituality is a good thing but when taken too far it becomes a crutch. Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 my observation is that people who are religious fanatics or extremists (of ANY religion) tend to be weak people emotionally. they do not have an internal sense of right and wrong and need to get that from an external source. and they also get emotional strength from an external source. internally stonger people who are more educated and intellectual are at a lesser need of an external source of "strength". religion is the opiate of the masses. Boy Alpha, you're opening a HUGE can of worms here eh...But you know that already... Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Can't one believe all those things, yet, keep it moderate among others? Because, if what you're saying is true, you're calling me, (and many other people who's religion is the center of their universe), a weak, supid, barbarian......and I'll have to beg to differ........Boy Alpha, you're opening a HUGE can of worms here eh...But you know that already... Too late............... Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Whenever people try to save me I always say, I'm Catholic, but thanks. And usually they leave me alone. If they don't leave me alone I just pretend they don't exist or stop making eye contact..... BH - regarding the holocaust, that was ann awful time in world history. Belief, I suppose, is something that those who weren't exposed to it have the luxury of relying on. Those American Soldiers who were actually exposed to the horrors of the death camps though, would probably be offended. But I suppose that's what you like to do best, be controversial. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Originally posted by Moose Can't one believe all those things, yet, keep it moderate among others? individuals who are extremely emotional about religion cannot be objective about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Originally posted by alphamale individuals who are extremely emotional about religion cannot be objective about it. I don't believe that one either. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Originally posted by Moose I don't believe that one either. ACtually, he's right. If you're extremely emotional about ANYTHING you can't be objective about it, religion or not. I get pissed off about casual comments about rape, for example, because I am emotional about rape. I accept that reality. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Christians have to be objective, even though they're extremley compassionate, and emotional about their religion. As a matter of fact, we are commanded to be objective and not to judge others. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Originally posted by Moose Christians have to be objective, even though they're extremley compassionate, and emotional about their religion. As a matter of fact, we are commanded to be objective and not to judge others. you have just judged that Christians are MORE compassionate than people of other religions. This is not true. As a whole, Chrisitians are no more compassionate or emotional about their religion than Jews or Taoists or Hindus. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Really I meant anyone following any religion should be objective to others, even though they're compassionate, and emotional towards their own chosen religion. Only you, ALPHA, would assume I'm speaking only of Christians......... Link to post Share on other sites
PatientOne Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 I am enjoying this *way* too much And Moose proved Alpha's point Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 And Moose proved Alpha's pointHow do you figure? Link to post Share on other sites
Author sweetpea01 Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 What was pissing me off about the religious fanatic woman at Starbucks - was that she was telling me all the things HE approved of and didn't approve of. My bf stopped by for a bit, and she's like, stay with him - don't get tempted by a woman, lesbians are "women molesters." Then she tells me that if I ever see a lesbian to tell her she stinks in god's nostrils. Okay...yea, I am really going to go do that!!! Damn, now I am even MORE pissed at myself! Anyway, apparently if I can't find 7$ in my wallet to find a bible, I am goin 2 hell. I don't understand how a religion is supposed to be so loving and supporting and understanding, but can tell you if you don't follow it, you are goign to hell. I'm not Christian, so I don't know...is that truly the belief? SP Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Sweetpea, Some people do take religion way, way too far. On one end of the spectrum there is the scare tactic of a jealous, angry God. On the other end is a loving, caring God. I'm open to what others believe and respect their decision to believe what they want. I expect the same from others. The main root of the Christian belief, (particularly Babtist), is that the only way for one to get to heaven is by accepting Christ as your saviour. By admitting that you can't, "earn", your way to heaven, and that you're always going to be a sinner, that Christ has to bare your sins and act as your, "lawyer", at the judgement throne. With that being said, there are other religions out there that offer other means to peace, and means to enter heaven......you have to do the research on your own to find which best suits your heart and mind. Link to post Share on other sites
Author sweetpea01 Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 Thanks Moose. I think that's what I was confused about - how it was like she was trying to scare me into it. But like you, I can respect anyone's belief - and I fully support anyone's belief in any religion. Whatever happened to just having "faith" in a higher being, instead of pressuring ppl to conform to one faith. Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Originally posted by Moose Some people do take religion way, way too far. Like the legislature? *gasp* Originally posted by Moose Come on, I'm sure there are some Catholics who, "sell" their denomination, with great vigor too. I've never answered my door and found a Catholic on the other end. My point is simple: If you want to scare them away, carry a rosary. They'll literally run. There's nothing wrong with being a witness of your faith. I often find it annoying when I'm "witness"ed at. That's why I reccomended the rosary trick--I wasn't being humorous, it actually works. That's what bothers me about the Catholic religion......my salvation would rest completly on my shoulders.....if I didn't do enough rosaries, if I didn't go to confession, if I didn't pray to Mary.......I'm doomed!!! What bothers me about non-Catholics is they "much prefer" spouting lies and misunderstandings about Catholicism because it makes their beliefs seem better. http://www.catholic.com <--- You should go there and learn about the Catholic stance on salvation, The Rosary, and the ridiculous myth of "Praying to Mary" Sadly, most fundamentalist slanderers won't. They're content with knowing what "their pastor told them" about Catholics, or something lame like that. In case you missed it the first time: http://www.catholic.com Moose, if you really were really half as compassionate/understanding/respectful about other beliefs, you'd afford them the courtesy of knowing a tiny bit about them before speaking with a degree of authority--let alone superiority. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 was that she was telling me all the things HE approved of and didn't approve of. My bf stopped by for a bit, and she's like, stay with him - don't get tempted by a woman, lesbians are "women molesters." Then she tells me that if I ever see a lesbian to tell her she stinks in god's nostrils. Anyone who claims to be Christian in one breath and then in the next urges you to hate others is no Christian. Just because you call yourself a movie star doesn't make you one. You can call yourself a house but that won't give you four walls and a door. In short, you know Christians by their actions. You want a good way to get rid of one? Tell them that Christ taught compassion and love and therefore they are obviously not Christian and to please leave you alone. I don't understand how a religion is supposed to be so loving and supporting and understanding, but can tell you if you don't follow it, you are goign to hell. I'm not Christian, so I don't know...is that truly the belief? It's the 'belief' being touted by the ultra-right wingists that have usurped Christianity for their own - or tried to. Sadly, that bunch includes an unfortunate number of your members of government, including the President. Jesus told people to NOT look for other's errors, however there is a chunk of so-called Christians who bastardize the Bible and use it as a weapon against others. Ignore them. Link to post Share on other sites
BlockHead Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Nicholas I recommend you ignore Moose when he starts talking about Catholicism. He has had plenty of post on the subject, and he seems to continue propagating some of these myths. Ignoring him works because that lets him wallow in some liberal rhetoric, their myths, their stereotypes, and their prejudice. Trust me, he doesn’t like that. You also save some of your time. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Originally posted by BlockHead Nicholas I recommend you ignore Moose when he starts talking about Catholicism. He has had plenty of post on the subject, and he seems to continue propagating some of these myths. Ignoring him works because that lets him wallow in some liberal rhetoric, their myths, their stereotypes, and their prejudice. Trust me, he doesn’t like that. You also save some of your time. What's this all about? Apparently my post was deleted because of references to his website, ( I posted the publishing rights ) but I clearly posted what I do know, and that it's enough to convince me that Catholicism isn't my bag of tea. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Nevermind, noone deleted my post: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t60658/ BTW, Blockhead, I'd appreciate it if you didn't speak for me anymore. You have no clue what my likes and dislikes are. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
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