What have I done

[Noirek]

I think perhaps the GNO thing is a culture issue. I live in a smaller area and people simply do not have these infamous GNOs. The most questionable GNO I have heard of has been male strippers. And the partners always know. I'm not into that so I never tagged along for those. I also don't believe friends are to blame for choices as OP had a choice to not behave as she did with these men. It was her weak nature and not her friend that caused this.

 

OP, as I said it was over. And I get it. I also agree with you telling your husband to stop before he killed the guy. That isn't something to be ashamed of and everyone of us should hopefully step in if we see someone in a blind rage heading towards murder. People have been killed this way plenty of times. But I agree that the time to speak up would have been before the fight started. You should have protected your husband and spoke up earlier. Of course you never should have been there and that is why what ifs are pointless. But please ignore those that are rejoicing over your misfortune and spitting upon you while you are down. Even if you feel it is true I know no one likes to be reminded over and over how terrible they are. Take care.

[atreides]

If the community is willing to indulge BlackHat, I do not see why they need to doubt this one.

 

OP: Your story has produced nothing but a field trip of many people here. Your BS is a hero, brass balls Alpha Male total icon for BS's everywhere (or in LS at least) for doing what he has done. Most of what people here are talking about is how sh-tty you were. And while this is true, why you listen to people who think you are not worth the time of day is beyond me.

 

And you can see their anger and extremely limited mindset calling out VBM for reconciling with his WW. Calling him a doormat? Since when does a man who lives with the pain of his wife's infidelity every day, who continues to fight to save what he wants for himself a "doormat"?

 

Don't bother looking for stories of reconciliation here in LS, there are some, there are few, but when you see how the community of anti-reconciliation abuse and provoke and demean those who do not divorce, you will understand why they disappear from these pages. No one who is struggling so hard with their personal marital life should have to listen to that garbage.

 

There are always several realities.

 

Aside from some clearly misinformation in your story - and some dubious assertions, you want your husband to give you another chance. I suggest you listen to some of the more level headed posters here who council you to a) work on yourself and your issues, and b) be patient

 

Your posts demonstrate an (not unusual) excessive fear of not getting a 2nd chance. And they are correct, your husband will or will not make that decision, not you. If you think you have made it clear that you are open to a conversation without any commitment on his part and if you are able to deal with the issues of your activities rather than use these moments to beg him for a second chance you will probably fair better.

 

Your husband does NOT want to hear you beg for him to do anything. If you cannot live with that, then I suggest you stop imagining a future with him.

 

No one here can actually tell you its over. ONLY YOUR SPOUSE CAN DO THAT. Whatever happens from the next second forward is an unwritten book.

 

Stop arguing with the people here who are loving having you to throw stones at. Get off LS unless you have something genuinely important, stop thinking that anyone here can give you the formula to "win" a reconciliation. Get back out there, build a life for yourself and wait and see if your H changes his mind, doesn't go through with the d, does, but doesn't want to be married to you, but still wants to wait and see, or moves on. None of these decisions are for you to manipulate or decide. Be authentic in your life from now on and hope that it slows him down a little.

 

But more than anything you definitely need to get over your fear of losing your H because it's preventing you from dealing with your issues. You will be happy, believe it or not, with or without your H. I'd suggest most of your emotional reaction is to being discovered and the horror of how that happened.

 

You may well not be with this man ever again, so now would be the better time to face that music and wait and see if he does another 180. There are stories here of this and more. Nothing is written in stone.

 

There is a lot of anti-reconciliation, lot of "doormat" talk and I am not sure why some think this is a false story. I said it before, the OP sounds sincere and reminds me of another story to a poster here that started out the same way but made a great change over time to become better and try to win her H back.

 

That being said, we invest our emotions and time in these threads and i can see when posters don't want to get burned on their investment here but that also begs the question as to the point.

 

There was a story here where a women claimed rape instead of cheating. At first many supported her but then even i began to question her and behold the whole account was taken down for fraud. I know a few female posters and others were hurt by that trolling, to use rape as a toy to spite/troll others. So i get it for those that stand further back.

 

OP, my advise stands on focusing on you, be a better women and the rest falls in place.

[road]

Just another point, had your husband lost the fight how would you expect that to have gone for you? Having the cr*p beat out of him for trying to stop you from jumping into a car with your lover and his friend wouldn't have helped your cause, it would have been worse because you didn't speak up as his wife, you didn't try to stop the aggression from your affair partner against him when he stepped into the line of fire trying to protect you, all you did was watch. You may be a great mother but based on your actions he has the right to fire you as a sh*tty wife.

 

 

 

 

Sad and true. She did not even tell her OM to not touch her BH.

[Wondering33]

This thread is about the WAYWARD WIFE attempting to R even though she has divorce papers.

 

We need not quote the Bible though I'm tempted!

 

I would like others to treat me as I treat them. I have CERTAINLY TOLD my friends about their cheating husbands and:

A) they all thanked me - so far

B) they all divorced the pieces of sh**..eventually

C) they are ALL STILL my friends!

 

Like attracts like in long standing relationships of any kind.

If you are wayward then you keep that company for your own reasons.

If you have strong morals and character you keep close company with this type of person, you uphold that and support this for your friends.

 

It's got nothing to do with "sticking your nose in"! Crikeys it's got more to do with Married people keeping it in their pants!!!!

 

Be aware of the company you keep. It tells you alot about yourself.

 

I thank my WHs OW EVERY SINGLE DAY for exposing the truth to me when other spineless creatures knew and DIDN'T tell me. Ofcourse she was immoral and had her own selfish motives but the people who knew and didn't tell me? I'm addressing them 1:1 as occasions permit and I tell them exactly what I think of their lack of moral fibre, cowardice and coveting of knowledge they KNEW I HAD A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT.

 

LION HEART.

 

The company I keep is a group of girls I've known since childhood. All the most generous, successful & intelligent woman I know. All married, none of them have ever cheated (besides myself) nor their husbands. When we've talked about this subject, not only them but their husbands agreed, why make someone else's problem your own, if they didn't ask you. We discuss & think & don't act on pure emotion (which is always a bad idea). & also their husbands know my story & have never once treated me or said anything negative bc they understand that affairs can happen for many different reasons.

 

I believe things come back, look you told other women their husbands were cheating.Maybe if you hadn't been worried about other marriages, you would have seen the signs of it happening to you?

 

People should keep their own yard clean before trying to clean someone else's.

 

You are right about keeping like company. It sounds like you & many of your friends married men that all cheated, that's tough....

[DKT3]

The company I keep is a group of girls I've known since childhood. All the most generous, successful & intelligent woman I know. All married, none of them have ever cheated (besides myself) nor their husbands. When we've talked about this subject, not only them but their husbands agreed, why make someone else's problem your own, if they didn't ask you. We discuss & think & don't act on pure emotion (which is always a bad idea). & also their husbands know my story & have never once treated me or said anything negative bc they understand that affairs can happen for many different reasons.

 

I believe things come back, look you told other women their husbands were cheating.Maybe if you hadn't been worried about other marriages, you would have seen the signs of it happening to you?

 

People should keep their own yard clean before trying to clean someone else's.

 

You are right about keeping like company. It sounds like you & many of your friends married men that all cheated, that's tough....

 

I would venture a guess that you would have a different veiw on this subject it it were your husband having the affair.

 

Its hard for you to see it that way because the shoe isn't on the other foot. Your view is slanted by your situation as are all of ours.

[jbrent890]

The company I keep is a group of girls I've known since childhood. All the most generous, successful & intelligent woman I know. All married, none of them have ever cheated (besides myself) nor their husbands. When we've talked about this subject, not only them but their husbands agreed, why make someone else's problem your own, if they didn't ask you. We discuss & think & don't act on pure emotion (which is always a bad idea). & also their husbands know my story & have never once treated me or said anything negative bc they understand that affairs can happen for many different reasons.

 

I believe things come back, look you told other women their husbands were cheating.Maybe if you hadn't been worried about other marriages, you would have seen the signs of it happening to you?

 

People should keep their own yard clean before trying to clean someone else's.

 

You are right about keeping like company. It sounds like you & many of your friends married men that all cheated, that's tough....

 

Again, wow, just wow. I don't understand why you have this notion that telling your friend they are being cheated somehow exhibits that you are better than them, because that's what you are saying with the whole "keep your own yard clean" line. Let's apply that screwed up mindset to other things shall we. If I saw kids robbing a convenience store, I guess I shouldn't tell the clerk because I should worry about my own yard right? I'm not robbing the guy, so it doesn't impact me. If I saw my friend abusing drugs, I shouldn't offer to help him get clean because I should worry about my own yard right? It's his life, I'm not the one destroying my body. If I saw a woman get sexually assaulted, I shouldn't try to help because I need to be worrying about my own yard right? Why should I risk my safety to help a woman that might get raped or worse? Your posts are very disappointing to me, and it's not just you. To everyone who has said that they wouldn't tell a close friend that they were getting cheated should not label themselves as a friend.

[atreides]

Reconciliation vs "drop kicking them out"

We are not even advising a BS here.

 

The OP is a panicked wayward who wants to naively repair her marriage from her gross failure of a betrayal faster than is realistic.

Instead of the above mentioned debate on reconciliation or doormats, let's focus on her and helping her be a better woman than she was. That is the best shot she has going forward.

Edited March 14, 2015 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[SleekArchitecture]

I have been lurking here for a few months and am desperate for some advice.Particularly from WWs that have re-earned the trust of their husbands aftertheir affair.

 

 

I guess I start with my story. When I met my husband he was everything I everwanted in a man. He was bold and exciting, fun to be around and everyonegravitated to him. He seemed invincible to me. At the time he wasa competitive fighter and although a very nice person he had a habit ofstarting trouble when we would be out with friends drinking. Nothing tooserious but he liked to fight and I always found it a huge turn on. We spent a yeardating and then moved in together and soon after became pregnant with our firstof 2 sons. We were not in a great place financially when we had our first child as myhusband was still in university, but he promised me he would make a greatlife for us. He did exactly as he said he would and worked very hard to build agreat career and very comfortable life for our family. 15 years later we livein a very nice neighbourhood with our children in great schools, able to playall the sports they would like and we lack for nothing. Our sex life was alwaysvery good and my husband continued to train in kickboxing so he was very sexyand fit. He was loving and attentive to me and did everything a woman couldever want from her man.

 

 

Our problem started when I began to feel bored with life. I was attending PTAmeetings and running our kids from school to sports practice and back again. Ihad been going out a few times a week with a group of moms from the kid’sschool and sports and we would have a few drinks and dance and have a goodtime. One of the moms who was recently divorced brought along a guy she wasseeing and a few of his friends one night. All of these guys were bodybuilder type guys and they were so brash and almost obnoxious, but they seemedso confident and edgy I just felt attracted almost immediately. Theywere so different than our safe and wholesome family life several of the womanmade comments and we joked about how sexy they were. One of them wasbeing very attentive to me and we spent a long time talking that night and hegave me his number. I knew of course I was being foolish but I just didn't seethe danger. We began texting each other and as you can imagine it didn't takelong to go further. We had sex 2 times in the following month and although the sex was better with my husband something about tawdry way my AP actedand treated me made me feel excited and naughty. I was such an idiot.

 

One night I was out with the moms group and had too much to drink when my APand 1 of his friends showed up. I was thrilled to see him although wehad strict rules about how we behaved in public as usual his attitude was thathe didn't care and because of the drinking I let my guard down and wasn't asadamant about no contact in public. He would keep slapping my butt when hethought no one was looking and touching me under the table where no one couldsee. Well people could see and we were not being as sneaky as we thought. Oneof the moms from the group was leaving and her husband saw what was going onand called my husband.

 

 

I thought I was so clever telling the group we were with that he was just drivingme home along with his friend but I believe by now they were all aware of whatI was doing. As we left the bar and walked to his car he started grabbing at memore and more and lifting my skirt right in front of his friends. In myintoxicated state I made a half-hearted attempt to tell him to stop but wasgiggling and playing along. I didn't realise at the time but my husband was walking just behind us and saw all of this. When we reached his car he grabbed me and gave me adeep kiss that lasted a long time. As soon as we stopped kissing I realised hisfriend was talking to someone on the other side of the car. I looked over andmy heart fell. It was my husband of 15 years.

He was so calm looking but so angry at the same time. He told AP that I washis wife and to get his hands off. AP immediately puffed out hischest and told my husband that he would be smart to run away and forget what hesaw. I was so ashamed and for my husband to have to be a part of my APs tauntswas something beyond terrible. I could see AP’s friend already walking aroundbehind my husband and I just knew they were going to hurt him. My husband stoodstaring me in the eye with the most disappointment I could ever imagine insomeone, it absolutely broke my heart. My husband is who he is and to mydisbelief AP and his friend did not hurt him much but rather after a fewminutes struggle AP and his friend both lay on the ground bleeding andbattered. I could hear AP whimpering and asking my husband to stop but he stoodover him hitting him again and again. I thought he was going to kill him and Iyelled for him to please stop. He did stop immediately but again turned to lookat me with that horrible disappointment in his eyes. He told me later he saw myplea to stop as choosing AP over him.

 

 

Since that night he will not even talk to me about what happened. He has never askedme any questions and within a week had rented me a condo close by and moved meout of our family home. Almost exactly a month after the incident he had me serveddivorce papers and refuses to speak to me about any of it. My children knowwhat happened as of course so many people we know were there to witness andpeople always talk. There was some brief legal trouble for my husband becauseof the fight but I believe that has been resolved with little issue for himthank goodness. I am so ashamed of myself. I am so desperate for help here. Iknow I don’t deserve a second chance but all I can think of is that I foolishlytraded in my lion for a chance to run with hyenas. Now I see that I had thereal tough guy/bad boy already and betrayed him with a pitiful pretender.

 

 

I see some much on here from BS about doing so much to try to R with WW and Ionly dream of that chance. How can I get him to give me a second chance when hewill not even talk to me? He seems like he has completely moved on already andit is such a difference from the man who I knew before, so cold and emotionlesswhen we talk. I know I am the bad guy here but I can’t tell you the level of despairand depression I have come to know. Please any advice anyone has to offer onhow I can even get him to talk to me about this. I know I am likely to be bashed here and I deserve that but please please anything that might help us to recover.

 

You do not wish to leave your husband and chose him. If you look at all the other stories of betrayal, the marriages became stronger because of the affair. The odds should be in your favor if you read about all the borderline marriages that became stronger, happier, soul mates, and more fulfilled. Keep positive.

[merrmeade]

The public humiliation angle is HUGE. For me that would be instant deal killer forever, nothing to discuss

Oh yeah. Enormous. There's no coming back from that, right away at least. Nothing to talk about for a long, long time.

 

If you're sincere in your remorse (if), he'll know. If you're sincere, you'll live a principled life from now on the best way you know how - so you can forgive yourself.

 

If he notices, you might feel better. It'll be a while though before he can even think about whether he even wants to think about wanting to give you another chance. Anyway, do whatever you're going to do for yourself, to better yourself and get to the bottom of your issues.

[Mrs. John Adams]

I believe she has been served divorce papers...her husband has been fair...according to her lawyer.

My guess is that will not change for now.

 

We wish her the best as she deals with the aftermath of this affair.

[EmperorR]

Cheating is bad enough but being humiliated in public is far worse. When your husband said this is my wife, you should have went with him right then and there and get on your hands and knee and apologized. Instead you stood there like a roman owner of gladiators.

[billy baru]

I don't believe that you love your husband. Forget the cheating, forget the lying, forget your selfishness, I just noticed one thing:

 

When the two guys were going to hurt your husband - You didn't told them to stop. But when your husband managed to protect himself and was hurting AP - you told him to stop!

 

It says everything. I'm proud at your husband - divorcing you silently. He's a kind of person i'd like as a good friend.

 

THIS^^^ I'd like to buy her soon to be ex a beer. Exactly how I'm handling my D after my STBX lost everything in her life. Silently.

[Robert]

30 deleted off topic posts, let's post to the thread topic please.

 

Posting a thread jack that is off topic is disrespectful to the thread starter who came here for help rather than to hear some posters rant away on their own topic and ignore the thread starter.

 

Thanks

[thummper]

Hadeverything, I think maybe what you need to face now is that this story has probably circulated everywhere. The facts will be repeated far and wide to everyone you know, and to all their friends. My guess is that you will soon be inundated by propositions from LOTS of other men who consider you an "easy" piece who doesn't mind getting her skirt lifted in front of other people in a parking lot. A reputation like this will be hard to live with and I'm afraid you're going to be fending off all of this unwanted sexual harassment for years to come. It may not sound like it, but I really do feel badly for you and I hope you can find peace. Perhaps someday your soon-to-be ex-husband will reconnect with you. It's happened before and been reported here on Loveshack. I'm thinking of one instance in which it was reported that after divorce, the wayward wife refused to date any other men for three years until her ex was convinced that she was still seriously in love with him and didn't want anyone else. They finally reconciled. It was a truly heartwarming story. Perhaps you'll be as lucky as they are today. Look up DKT3's story.

Edited March 14, 2015 by thummper

[autumnnight]

Hadeverything, I think maybe what you need to face now is that this story has probably circulated everywhere. The facts will be repeated far and wide to everyone you know, and to all their friends. My guess is that you will soon be inundated by propositions from LOTS of other men who consider you an "easy" piece who doesn't mind getting her skirt lifted in front of other people in a parking lot. A reputation like this will be hard to live with and I'm afraid you're going to be fending off all of this unwanted sexual harassment for years to come. It may not sound like it, but I really do feel badly for you and I hope you can find peace. Perhaps someday your soon-to-be ex-husband will reconnect with you. It's happened before and been reported here on Loveshack. I'm thinking of one instance in which it was reported that after divorce, the wayward wife refused to date any other men for three years until her ex was convinced that she was still seriously in love with him and didn't want anyone else. They finally reconciled. It was a truly heartwarming story. Perhaps you'll be as lucky as they are today. Look up DKT3's story.

 

This is a tough post to read, but it is probably true. Anytime something like this becomes public - truly public - it makes reconciliation tougher. Your husband will have to go everywhere knowing people know. And even if they are on his "side," it will be painful and uncomfortable, and if he DOES reconcile, half the town will think he is crazy. And for you, everyone will know, and that has to be uncomfortable too. Plus, as strange as it sounds, even though they are not actually in your marriage, many of those same people will never "forgive" you for cheating, even though it wasn't on them. It's one of those things.

 

A clean break, divorce, and then possibly something new between you down the road is probably the only real hope.

[aliveagain]

My worry for you is your two teenage boys, not just about what is happening between you and your husband. Depending on the size of your community your laundry could become a real problem for them at school. How are you handling your divorce with your son's, how much do they know?

 

You need to help yourself before you can help anyone else. Get the best IC you can afford, someone that specializes in infidelity, get help for your boys.

[10thengineerharrison]

Hadeverything, I think maybe what you need to face now is that this story has probably circulated everywhere. The facts will be repeated far and wide to everyone you know, and to all their friends. My guess is that you will soon be inundated by propositions from LOTS of other men who consider you an "easy" piece who doesn't mind getting her skirt lifted in front of other people in a parking lot. A reputation like this will be hard to live with and I'm afraid you're going to be fending off all of this unwanted sexual harassment for years to come. It may not sound like it, but I really do feel badly for you and I hope you can find peace. Perhaps someday your soon-to-be ex-husband will reconnect with you. It's happened before and been reported here on Loveshack. I'm thinking of one instance in which it was reported that after divorce, the wayward wife refused to date any other men for three years until her ex was convinced that she was still seriously in love with him and didn't want anyone else. They finally reconciled. It was a truly heartwarming story. Perhaps you'll be as lucky as they are today. Look up DKT3's story.

 

This is why I asked about whether she was continuing with the GNOs. I actually believe that husbands or wives should be able to go out with friends without concerns over impropriety, but only if they're not likely to do something harmful to their primary relationship. But, in this case, the damage has been done because of very poor boundaries and an inability to resist temptation, so the answer to that question is more critical to any hopes of recovering her marriage.

 

I didn't see an answer to my question, though. I'm really not expecting one, but would hope that the OP sees it and give it some thought, at least.

 

-10th Engineer Harrison

[Wondering33]

Again, wow, just wow. I don't understand why you have this notion that telling your friend they are being cheated somehow exhibits that you are better than them, because that's what you are saying with the whole "keep your own yard clean" line. Let's apply that screwed up mindset to other things shall we. If I saw kids robbing a convenience store, I guess I shouldn't tell the clerk because I should worry about my own yard right? I'm not robbing the guy, so it doesn't impact me. If I saw my friend abusing drugs, I shouldn't offer to help him get clean because I should worry about my own yard right? It's his life, I'm not the one destroying my body. If I saw a woman get sexually assaulted, I shouldn't try to help because I need to be worrying about my own yard right? Why should I risk my safety to help a woman that might get raped or worse? Your posts are very disappointing to me, and it's not just you. To everyone who has said that they wouldn't tell a close friend that they were getting cheated should not label themselves as a friend.

 

 

You are COMPARING VIOLENT CRIMES to affair/cheating, apples vs oranges!!! Sorry but the realty its not the same!!!! You're not going to jail for cheating! Just because someone gets cheated on or hasn't done doesn't autimaticly make you a saint or a the moral compass !!!!! & close friend...What is a close friend, do you know how many "friends" I have, about 10 that know everything about me, do you know how many people would claim to be my friend (I'm a social person & am part of a lot of circles) they're really not, just people im friendly with.i see people use the term "friend" loosely....

 

 

Thank you for pointing out that in future posts, I have to explain things at an extremely simple level or most won't comprehend it.

 

Ps-Also you can offer a friend help for drugs but if they don't want it & tell you to mind you're own business, then there's nothing you can do. Once again, offering help & putting yourself in someone's relationship is apples/oranges.

[fellini]

Well I too don't see that the analogy works. in fact I have found that people communicate much more effectively in LS talking directly about it, over searching for "adequate" analogies.

 

So: my wife cheated on me in an EA and eventually a PA with a work colleague that had "this affair is going to end badly for everyone involved" written all over it.

 

My WW was consistently keeping her best female colleague/friend up to date as she began moving through the stages of "not just friends".

 

In your analogy, the friend tries to save the friend by telling her to stop. This she did. And did. And did. Until my WW walked in the door to talk about their first sexual encounter and had to say "I don't want to hear anymore about this". Im no longer interested.

 

Now the question is, should she have told me?

 

And i think here is where black and white turns to grey. Some people can, and do, some cannot, wishing they could, and some cannot, and don't even think it's their business. These are human responses and each of them is correct regardless of the moral compass any of us holds.

 

The WS is putting as much stress on friendship as can possibly be made telling a friend about their A assuming that this means it remains between them.

 

Now after dday my WW'S friend told me she thought my wife had it under control, that it wouldn't go so far, and for this she is torn and distressed over what happened. I wish she had taken it more seriously and convinced her to stop. But i can understand her not calling me to warn me. And if you have already told your best friend they are probably going to loose their marriage and family continuing, and the response was "I'm not prepared to give up AP", what more can you do? The WS has chosen a path they know leads to self-destruction.

 

 

however, she has my permission, and my WW knows this, to warn me of any red flags she sees going on with her at work.

 

I doubt very much her offer is genuine, and it still is not her business to protect my marital home. But if she is doing it, that works for me.

 

 

 

 

Again, wow, just wow. I don't understand why you have this notion that telling your friend they are being cheated somehow exhibits that you are better than them, because that's what you are saying with the whole "keep your own yard clean" line. Let's apply that screwed up mindset to other things shall we. If I saw kids robbing a convenience store, I guess I shouldn't tell the clerk because I should worry about my own yard right? I'm not robbing the guy, so it doesn't impact me. If I saw my friend abusing drugs, I shouldn't offer to help him get clean because I should worry about my own yard right? It's his life, I'm not the one destroying my body. If I saw a woman get sexually assaulted, I shouldn't try to help because I need to be worrying about my own yard right? Why should I risk my safety to help a woman that might get raped or worse? Your posts are very disappointing to me, and it's not just you. To everyone who has said that they wouldn't tell a close friend that they were getting cheated should not label themselves as a friend.

Edited March 16, 2015 by fellini

[cgiles]

OP, during your affairs,did you never imagined "what if my husband finds out ?" even if you believed he would never find out ?

 

And what you imagined his reactions would been ?

 

Did you thinked he would forgive you ? Or knowing the man he was, you knew there was no coming back ?

[Raines]

He seems like he has completely moved on already andit is such a difference from the man who I knew before, so cold and emotionlesswhen we talk. I know I am the bad guy here but I can’t tell you the level of despairand depression I have come to know. Please any advice anyone has to offer onhow I can even get him to talk to me about this. I know I am likely to be bashed here and I deserve that but please please anything that might help us to recover.

 

Here is the problem. Not only did you royally F him over, he ended up getting jumped by AP and the other so-called tough guys. He actually had to end up defending himself physically because of what you did.

 

 

I don't know that there is much you can do, seeing as he already rented you a condo.

If he is like me, you are going to be history.

 

 

However, if he decided to take you back, then one thing you need to show him is that your going out and partying days are over. You screwed that up. Only thing I can think of right now.

[Raines]

Putting any sort of blame on "girls night out" is beyond ridiculous. If you can't trust your partner to go put with their friends, even the wilder, more rambunctious friends, you need to find a new partner.

 

 

Perhaps you are right.

 

 

However, if she does ever get a 2nd chance, then the GNOs will need to stop.

 

 

GNOs before trust was broken. Ok.

 

 

GNOs after trust was broken. Nope

[KingwoodMan]

It never fails to amaze me how easily some people will destroy multiple lives over penis in vagina. Was it worth it?